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'''Creating an Alt Miner''' can help you get started mining and fly a [[Retriever]] in 7 days or a [[Hulk]] within a month and a half.
  
'''Creating an Alt Miner''' can help you get started mining and fly a Hulk within a month and a half.
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== Introduction  ==
  
== Introduction  ==
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Take consideration into whether you want to start a new account or train an in-account alt, depending if you are interested in creating an industrial alt in the future. You cannot train skills simultaneously on the same account between two different characters without paying for [[Dual Character Training]] with PLEX. If you choose to create an in-account alt and decide you want to go into industry, you'll have to retrain a new account or pay an account transfer fee.
  
Take consideration into whether you want to start a new account or train an in-account alt, depending if you are interested in creating an industrial alt in the future. You cannot train skills simultaneously on the same account between two different characters. If you choose to create an in-account alt and decide you want to go into industry, you'll have to retrain a new account or pay an account transfer fee.
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''Please note that post-Vanguard patch, all players start with 400,000 additional skill points trained.''
  
Training a new avatar to fly a Hulk from scratch using this guide will take about 48 days, or 42 days if you use implants. It can be done slightly faster if you're willing to spend two neural remaps.
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Training a new avatar to fly a [[Retriever]] from scratch using this guide will take about 7 days 17 hours, or 6 days 17 hours if you use +3 implants.
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Training a new avatar to fly a [[Hulk]] from scratch using this guide will take about 49 days 12 hours, or 43 days 1 hours if you use +3 implants.  
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These can be done slightly faster if you're willing to spend two neural remaps.
  
 
'''The requirements are:'''  
 
'''The requirements are:'''  
  
 
*Brand new avatar with no training  
 
*Brand new avatar with no training  
*69,000,000 ISK  
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*69M ISK  
**Approximately 40,000,000 (40m) ISK for four +3 implants (except for CHA)  
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**Approximately 34M ISK for four +3 implants (except for CHA)  
**Approximately 29,000,000 (29m) ISK for skill books  
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**Approximately 30M ISK for skill books  
***This is only about 1,000,000 (1m) ISK if you want to fly only a Covetor
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***This is only about 1M ISK if you want to fly only a Covetor
 
 
Because this can be done within 48 days, you can create a new account via the Buddy Trial (21 days), and add a PLEX to the account (30 days). If the buddy trial was given from your main account, your main will be credited for 30 days of play time.
 
  
 
== Preparation  ==
 
== Preparation  ==
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**Neural Boost - Basic  
 
**Neural Boost - Basic  
 
*Skillbooks  
 
*Skillbooks  
**Cybernetics  
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**{{sk|Cybernetics}}
**Industry
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**{{sk|Astrogeology}}
**Astrogeology  
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**{{sk|Mining Barge}}
**Mining Barge  
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**{{sk|Exhumers}}
**Exhumers
 
  
 
=== Remapping  ===
 
=== Remapping  ===
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*Everything else minimum (17)
 
*Everything else minimum (17)
  
This eliminates 2-3 days off the training time and ensures the 48 days maximum training period. This is also a reasonable setup for learning many combat skills. It will leave you with another remapping to use, but if you're certain you will keep this alt for mining only, there's a different option that will further shave off some time (see below).  
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This eliminates 3 days 2 hours off the training time and ensures the 48 days maximum training period. This is also a reasonable setup for learning many combat skills. It will leave you with another remapping to use, but if you're certain you will keep this alt for mining only, there's a different option that will further shave off some time (see below).
  
 
== The Training Plan ==
 
== The Training Plan ==
  
#[[Skills:Science#Cybernetics|Cybernetics I]]
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#*After training this, plug in the +3 INT/MEM implants 
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{{SkillQueue
#[[Skills:Industry#Industry|Industry I]]
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|name=Basic Training Plan
#[[Skills:Industry#Industry|Industry II]]
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|width=400px
#[[Skills:Industry#Industry|Industry III]]
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|desc=This will allow you to fly a Hulk with Strip Miner Is
#[[Skills:Industry#Industry|Industry IV]]
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|Spaceship Command IV
#[[Skills:Industry#Industry|Industry V]]
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Industry II
#*This one will take about five days
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Industry III
#[[Skills:Science#Science|Science IV]]
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Industry IV
#[[Skills:Industry#Mining|Mining III]]
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Industry V
#[[Skills:Industry#Mining|Mining IV]]
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Mining IV
#[[Skills:Science#Astrogeology|Astrogeology I]]
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Astrogeology I
#[[Skills:Science#Astrogeology|Astrogeology II]]
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Astrogeology II
#[[Skills:Science#Astrogeology|Astrogeology III]]
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Astrogeology III
#[[Skills:Science#Astrogeology|Astrogeology IV]]
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Astrogeology IV
#*This is about 2.5 days of training
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Mining Frigate II
#*No later than this point, plug in your +3 PER/WIL implants  
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Mining Frigate III
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Mining_Barge|Mining Barge I]]
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Mining Barge I
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Mining_Barge|Mining Barge II]]
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Mining Barge II
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Mining_Barge|Mining Barge III]]
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Mining Barge III
#*This is 12 days into the training regime
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Mining Barge IV
#*At this point you can fly a Retriever fitted with 2x Strip Miner I and a Survey Scanner II  
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Mining Barge V
#**You can safely train [[Skills:Mechanic#Hull_Upgrades|Hull Upgrades II]] (~60,000 ISK) to fit Expanded Cargohold II modules
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Astrogeology V
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Mining_Barge|Mining Barge IV]]
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Exhumers I
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Mining_Barge|Mining Barge V]]
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Exhumers II
#*This is a long one and will take about 8 days
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Exhumers III
#[[Skills:Science#Astrogeology|Astrogeology V]]
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}}
#*This is the longest haul, over 17 days.
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#*At the completion of this skill, you can fly a Covetor, but you're only a day from a Hulk
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#{{sk|Spaceship Command|IV}}
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Spaceship_Command|Spaceship Command IV]]
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#*18 hours
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Exhumers|Exhumers I]]
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#{{sk|Industry|II-V}}
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Exhumers|Exhumers II]]
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#*5 days 2 hours 33 minutes
#[[Skills:Spaceship_Command#Exhumers|Exhumers III]]
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#{{sk|Mining|IV}}
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#*18 hours
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#{{sk|Astrogeology|I-IV}}
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#*2 days 17 hours 35 minutes
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#*No later than this point, plug in your +3 PER/WIL implants
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#{{sk|Mining Frigate|II-III}}
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#*7.5 hours
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#{{sk|Mining Barge|I}}
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#*30 minutes
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#*At this point you can fly any mining barge fitted with Strip Miners I and a Survey Scanner II  
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#{{sk|Mining Barge|II-V}}
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#*20 days 14 hours
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#{{sk|Astrogeology|V}}
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#*12 days 17 hours 25 minutes
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#{{sk|Exhumers|I-III}}
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#*19 hours 19 minutes
  
 
And you're ready to get into your Hulk (with Strip Miner I).
 
And you're ready to get into your Hulk (with Strip Miner I).
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== Alternative plan ==
 
== Alternative plan ==
  
* Note that if you're determined to produce a mining alt before switching to your main again forever, you can make use of the two neural remappings available to new characters in different ways. The most direct way is to use the first remapping to max out Intelligence and put the rest in Memory. The other three attributes are kept at the minimum 17. Then train the industrial and science skills:
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Note that if you're determined to produce a mining alt before switching to your main again forever, you can make use of the two neural remappings available to new characters in different ways. The most direct way is to use the first remapping to max out Intelligence and put the rest in Memory. The other three attributes are kept at the minimum 17. Then train the industrial and science skills:
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{{SkillQueue
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|name=Alternative Plan
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|width=400px
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|Industry II
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Industry III
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Industry IV
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Industry V
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Mining IV
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Astrogeology I
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Astrogeology II
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Astrogeology III
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Astrogeology IV
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Astrogeology V
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Spaceship Command IV
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Mining Barge I
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Mining Barge II
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Mining Barge III
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Mining Barge IV
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Mining Barge V
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Exhumers I
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Exhumers II
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Exhumers III
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}}
  
#Cybernetics I - plug in implants when this is done
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#{{sk|Industry|V}}
#Science IV
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#{{sk|Mining|IV}}
#Industry V
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#{{sk|Astrogeology|V}}
#Mining IV
 
#Astrogeology V
 
  
 
Now remap again by maxing out Perception and putting the rest in Willpower. The other three are kept at the minimum 17. Now train the Spaceship Command skills:
 
Now remap again by maxing out Perception and putting the rest in Willpower. The other three are kept at the minimum 17. Now train the Spaceship Command skills:
  
#Spaceship Command IV
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#{{sk|Spaceship Command|IV}}
#Mining Barge V
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#{{sk|Mining Barge|V}}
#Exhumers III
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#{{sk|Exhumers|III}}
  
 
Please note this leaves you with an alt primed for flying skills. Of course you can use the first industrial remapping to train up more mining skills like Mining V and processing skills before you switch to the Spaceship Command skills.
 
Please note this leaves you with an alt primed for flying skills. Of course you can use the first industrial remapping to train up more mining skills like Mining V and processing skills before you switch to the Spaceship Command skills.
  
== Going Farther ==
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== Going Further ==
  
 
To be the best miner you can be, the following skills are excellent choices to train.  
 
To be the best miner you can be, the following skills are excellent choices to train.  
  
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=== Mining skills ===
 
 
'''Mining skills:'''
 
 
 
*Exhumers V (For the best yield, lowest cycle time on ice)
 
*Mining V (For Modulated Strip Miner IIs)
 
*Astrogeology V (although you already have this)
 
*[[Skills:Industry#Mining_Upgrades|Mining Upgrades IV]] (For Mining Laser Upgrade II)
 
*Ore Processing IV (for T2 crystals): All highsec ores, especially Veldspar, Plagioclase, Scordite
 
**Also [[Skills:Industry#Omber_Processing|Omber Processing IV]] if you're in Minmatar space; [[Skills:Industry#Kernite_Processing|Kernite Processing IV]] if you're in Amarr space
 
**Requires [[Skills:Industry#Refining|Refining IV and V]]
 
*[[Skills:Industry#Ice_Harvesting|Ice Harvesting V]] (if you're an ice miner)
 
*Cybernetics V (for the yield implants)
 
*Drones V
 
*Mining Drone Operation V
 
*Drone Interfacing V
 
 
 
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'''Capacitor skills:'''
 
 
 
*Energy Management III-IV
 
*Energy Systems Operation III-IV
 
 
 
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'''Tanking skills:'''
 
  
*Shield Operation III+
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*{{sk|Exhumers|V}} (For the best yield, lowest cycle time on ice)
*Shield Management III+
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*{{sk|Mining|V}} (For Modulated Strip Miner IIs)
*Shield Compensation III+
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*{{sk|Target Management|IV}} (without this you can only target 2 rocks. Training to this III or IV is a very short train and will give you up to 6 targeted rocks at the same time}
*Tactical Shield Manipulation III+
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*{{sk|Long Range Targeting|III}} (if you plan to fly under an orca with 25k range boosts then you might need this to target 25k rocks.  Its possible the orca or someone else is giving a boost for targeting range as well but in my experience this is not always the case.  most orcas focus on yield, strip miner range, and cycle time bonuses)
*EM/Thermal/Explosive/Kinetic Shield Compensation III+
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*{{sk|Mining Upgrades|IV}} (For Mining Laser Upgrade II)
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*{{sk|Drones|V}} and {{sk|Light Drone Operation|I}} (good for flying 2 drones to shoot rats if you plan to mine in 0.8 or lower)
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*Ore Processing IV (for T2 crystals): All highsec ores, {{sk|Simple Ore Processing|IV}}
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**Also {{sk|Coherent Ore Processing|IV}} if you're in Minmatar or Amarr space{{Verify}}
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*{{sk|Ice Harvesting|V}} (if you're an ice miner)
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*{{sk|Cybernetics|V}} (for the yield implants)
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*{{sk|Mining Drone Operation|V}}
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*{{sk|Drone Interfacing|V}}
  
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=== Fitting skills ===
  
'''Leadership skills''' (allows you to boost a squad in a large op):
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*{{sk|CPU Management|IV}} (if you want to fit a full load of strip miners IIs in the high slots, a survey scanner II in the medium and full load of mining laser upgrade IIs in the low slots on any mining barge then you will find you need level IV of this skill.  Additional skill might be needed for depending on how you fit your exhumer)
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*{{sk|Capacitor Management|IV}}
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*{{sk|Capacitor Systems Operation|IV}}
  
*Leadership V
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=== Tanking skills ===
*Mining Foreman V
 
  
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*{{sk|Shield Operation|III}} (or higher)
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*{{sk|Shield Management|III}} (or higher)
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*{{sk|Shield Compensation|III}} (or higher)
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*{{sk|Tactical Shield Manipulation|IV}} (allows for Multispectrum Shield Hardener II)
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*{{sk|EM Shield Compensation|III}} (or higher)
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*{{sk|Thermal Shield Compensation|III}} (or higher)
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*{{sk|Explosive Shield Compensation|III}} (or higher)
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*{{sk|Kinetic Shield Compensation|III}} (or higher)
  
'''Implants for improved yield:'''
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=== Implants for improved yield ===
  
*Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Highwall' HX-2 (Slot 10)  
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*Inherent Implants 'Highwall' Mining MX-1001(-1003/-1005) (Slot 10)  
**125 million as of this writing  
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**1-5% improved mining yield, costs 1M-150M ISK (as of this writing)
 
*Michi's Excavation Augmentor (Slot 7)  
 
*Michi's Excavation Augmentor (Slot 7)  
**550 million as of this writing; only in contracts
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**5% improved mining yield, costs 1.1B ISK (as of this writing)
  
'''Other useful skills:'''
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=== Other useful skills ===
  
 
*Refining skills (for refining your ores)  
 
*Refining skills (for refining your ores)  
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== References  ==
 
== References  ==
  
*[http://www.eve-ivy.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=28338#p273890 Forum thread]  
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* [http://newedenmining.blogspot.co.uk New Eden Mining]
*[http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=UltimateMiningSetups Ultimate Mining Setups]
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* [https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/dual-character-training/ Dev Blog: Dual Character Training]
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{{Mining Links}}
  
[[Category:Guides]] [[Category:Industry]] [[Category:Mining]]
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[[Category:Guides]]
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[[Category:Getting Started]]
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[[Category:Mining]]
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[[Category:Accounts]]

Revision as of 12:02, 23 February 2022

Main article: Alternate characters

Creating an Alt Miner can help you get started mining and fly a Retriever in 7 days or a Hulk within a month and a half.

Introduction

Take consideration into whether you want to start a new account or train an in-account alt, depending if you are interested in creating an industrial alt in the future. You cannot train skills simultaneously on the same account between two different characters without paying for Dual Character Training with PLEX. If you choose to create an in-account alt and decide you want to go into industry, you'll have to retrain a new account or pay an account transfer fee.

Please note that post-Vanguard patch, all players start with 400,000 additional skill points trained.

Training a new avatar to fly a Retriever from scratch using this guide will take about 7 days 17 hours, or 6 days 17 hours if you use +3 implants. Training a new avatar to fly a Hulk from scratch using this guide will take about 49 days 12 hours, or 43 days 1 hours if you use +3 implants. These can be done slightly faster if you're willing to spend two neural remaps.

The requirements are:

  • Brand new avatar with no training
  • 69M ISK
    • Approximately 34M ISK for four +3 implants (except for CHA)
    • Approximately 30M ISK for skill books
      • This is only about 1M ISK if you want to fly only a Covetor

Preparation

Prepare your new character for training by having these items available:

Remapping

If you wish to save a couple of days, remap your starting attributes to:

  • INT: 23
  • PER: 25
  • Everything else minimum (17)

This eliminates 3 days 2 hours off the training time and ensures the 48 days maximum training period. This is also a reasonable setup for learning many combat skills. It will leave you with another remapping to use, but if you're certain you will keep this alt for mining only, there's a different option that will further shave off some time (see below).

The Training Plan

Basic Training Plan

This will allow you to fly a Hulk with Strip Miner Is
Expand this box to view a Skill queue to use in-game

Spaceship Command IV
Industry II
Industry III
Industry IV
Industry V
Mining IV
Astrogeology I
Astrogeology II
Astrogeology III
Astrogeology IV
Mining Frigate II
Mining Frigate III
Mining Barge I
Mining Barge II
Mining Barge III
Mining Barge IV
Mining Barge V
Astrogeology V
Exhumers I
Exhumers II
Exhumers III


  1. Spaceship Command IV
    • 18 hours
  2. Industry II-V
    • 5 days 2 hours 33 minutes
  3. Mining IV
    • 18 hours
  4. Astrogeology I-IV
    • 2 days 17 hours 35 minutes
    • No later than this point, plug in your +3 PER/WIL implants
  5. Mining Frigate II-III
    • 7.5 hours
  6. Mining Barge I
    • 30 minutes
    • At this point you can fly any mining barge fitted with Strip Miners I and a Survey Scanner II
  7. Mining Barge II-V
    • 20 days 14 hours
  8. Astrogeology V
    • 12 days 17 hours 25 minutes
  9. Exhumers I-III
    • 19 hours 19 minutes

And you're ready to get into your Hulk (with Strip Miner I).

Alternative plan

Note that if you're determined to produce a mining alt before switching to your main again forever, you can make use of the two neural remappings available to new characters in different ways. The most direct way is to use the first remapping to max out Intelligence and put the rest in Memory. The other three attributes are kept at the minimum 17. Then train the industrial and science skills:


Alternative Plan

Expand this box to view a Skill queue to use in-game

Industry II
Industry III
Industry IV
Industry V
Mining IV
Astrogeology I
Astrogeology II
Astrogeology III
Astrogeology IV
Astrogeology V
Spaceship Command IV
Mining Barge I
Mining Barge II
Mining Barge III
Mining Barge IV
Mining Barge V
Exhumers I
Exhumers II
Exhumers III


  1. Industry V
  2. Mining IV
  3. Astrogeology V

Now remap again by maxing out Perception and putting the rest in Willpower. The other three are kept at the minimum 17. Now train the Spaceship Command skills:

  1. Spaceship Command IV
  2. Mining Barge V
  3. Exhumers III

Please note this leaves you with an alt primed for flying skills. Of course you can use the first industrial remapping to train up more mining skills like Mining V and processing skills before you switch to the Spaceship Command skills.

Going Further

To be the best miner you can be, the following skills are excellent choices to train.

Mining skills

Fitting skills

  • CPU Management IV (if you want to fit a full load of strip miners IIs in the high slots, a survey scanner II in the medium and full load of mining laser upgrade IIs in the low slots on any mining barge then you will find you need level IV of this skill. Additional skill might be needed for depending on how you fit your exhumer)
  • Capacitor Management IV
  • Capacitor Systems Operation IV

Tanking skills

Implants for improved yield

  • Inherent Implants 'Highwall' Mining MX-1001(-1003/-1005) (Slot 10)
    • 1-5% improved mining yield, costs 1M-150M ISK (as of this writing)
  • Michi's Excavation Augmentor (Slot 7)
    • 5% improved mining yield, costs 1.1B ISK (as of this writing)

Other useful skills

  • Refining skills (for refining your ores)
  • Trade skills (for selling your minerals)

References