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== What is Salvaging ?  ==
 
== What is Salvaging ?  ==
  
Salvaging is finding useful items from wrecks. After a ship is destroyed (NPC or Player), a wreck is left behind. This wreck may contain loot and salvage. Salvaging is an important part of most PvE combat. NPC wrecks can drop valuable modules or items, and the salvage from wrecks is used to manufacture rigs.
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Salvaging is finding useful items from wrecks. After a ship is destroyed (NPC or Player), a wreck is left behind. This wreck may contain loot and salvage. Salvaging is an important part of most PvE combat. NPC wrecks can drop valuable modules or items, and the salvage from wrecks is used to manufacture rigs. 
  
 
== Why Should you be the Space Janitor?  ==
 
== Why Should you be the Space Janitor?  ==
  
Salvaging is easy to train into (under 2 days for salvaging III, ORE Industrial III to fly a good noctis).
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Salvaging is easy to train into (under 2 days for salvaging III, ORE Industrial III to fly a good noctis).  
  
The salvage in level 4 (and some level 3) missions is on par with and can sometimes surpass the worth of bounties and mission rewards. Also, you're not (usually) being shot at while salvaging.
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The salvage in level 4 (and some level 3) missions is on par with and can sometimes surpass the worth of bounties and mission rewards. Also, you're not (usually) being shot at while salvaging.  
  
Low skillpoint characters can become salvagers for level 4 [[FLEETS101 - Introduction to Fleets|locust fleets]] and individuals and gain higher profits than doing their own relative mission levels. Salvaging does not need lots of skills, expensive ships/modules, is relatively safe, and suitable for new characters.
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Low skillpoint characters can become salvagers for level 4 [[FLEETS101 - Introduction to Fleets|locust fleets]] and individuals and gain higher profits than doing their own relative mission levels. Salvaging does not need lots of skills, expensive ships/modules, is relatively safe, and suitable for new characters.  
  
 
== <br>Inside the Salvager's Toolbox ( Tools of the Trade )  ==
 
== <br>Inside the Salvager's Toolbox ( Tools of the Trade )  ==
  
Salvaging is easy to train into and can be done in almost any ship.
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Salvaging is easy to train into and can be done in almost any ship.  
  
 
=== Modules  ===
 
=== Modules  ===
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[http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Expanded_cargohold_i Expanded Cargohold I]: Also optional, but it may help you reduce the trips to a station on some of the larger L3-L4 missions. [http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Expanded_Cargohold_II Expanded Cargohold II] is also easy to train for and inexpensive.  
 
[http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Expanded_cargohold_i Expanded Cargohold I]: Also optional, but it may help you reduce the trips to a station on some of the larger L3-L4 missions. [http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Expanded_Cargohold_II Expanded Cargohold II] is also easy to train for and inexpensive.  
  
[http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Small_Salvage_Tackle_I Small Salvage Tackle Rig] (also comes in medium and large sizes): Increases your salvage change by 10% per rig. Adding this to a salvage destroyer or noctis can greatly increase the speed at which you salvage.
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[http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Small_Salvage_Tackle_I Small Salvage Tackle Rig] (also comes in medium and large sizes): Increases your salvage change by 10% per rig. Adding this to a salvage destroyer or noctis can greatly increase the speed at which you salvage.  
  
 
There are some other modules that are useful, like a MicroWarp Drive or Afterburner when you want to fly to wrecks out of range of your tractor beam  
 
There are some other modules that are useful, like a MicroWarp Drive or Afterburner when you want to fly to wrecks out of range of your tractor beam  
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Creating a basic salvager alt that can fly a noctis with tractor beam and salvager will take a little more than 2 days without any remaps. With ORE Industrial skill at level III this alt will have a 56km tractor beam range in a noctis and with Salvager III it can salvage almost all normal high-sec missions, to salvage more advanced wrecks you can add rigs. If you want more range on your tractor beams you can train ORE Industrial to levels IV or V.<br>  
 
Creating a basic salvager alt that can fly a noctis with tractor beam and salvager will take a little more than 2 days without any remaps. With ORE Industrial skill at level III this alt will have a 56km tractor beam range in a noctis and with Salvager III it can salvage almost all normal high-sec missions, to salvage more advanced wrecks you can add rigs. If you want more range on your tractor beams you can train ORE Industrial to levels IV or V.<br>  
<blockquote>Mechanic I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Mechanic II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Mechanic III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>Electronics I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Survey I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Survey II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Survey III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>Salvaging I (25 minutes)<br>Salvaging II (1 hour, 56 minutes, 26 seconds)<br>Salvaging III (10 hours, 58 minutes, 34 seconds)<br>Science I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Science II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Science III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial I (33 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial II (2 hours, 35 minutes, 14 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial III (14 hours, 38 minutes, 6 seconds) <br>'''Total time: 2 days, 1 hour, 1 minute, 40 seconds'''<br> </blockquote>  
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<blockquote>Mechanic I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Mechanic II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Mechanic III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>Electronics I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Survey I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Survey II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Survey III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>Salvaging I (25 minutes)<br>Salvaging II (1 hour, 56 minutes, 26 seconds)<br>Salvaging III (10 hours, 58 minutes, 34 seconds)<br>Science I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Science II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Science III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial I (33 minutes, 20 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial II (2 hours, 35 minutes, 14 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial III (14 hours, 38 minutes, 6 seconds) <br><br>'''Total time: 2 days, 1 hour, 1 minute, 40 seconds'''<br> </blockquote>  
 
Using two remaps you can decrease this time to 1 day and 15 hours.<br>  
 
Using two remaps you can decrease this time to 1 day and 15 hours.<br>  
<blockquote>'''Remap 1&nbsp;:&nbsp;Intelligence 27 / Memory 21 / Perception, Willpower and Charisma 17'''<br><br>Mechanic I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Mechanic II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Mechanic III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br>Electronics I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Survey I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Survey II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Survey III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br>Salvaging I (20 minutes)<br>Salvaging II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds)<br>Salvaging III (8 hours, 46 minutes, 51 seconds)<br>Science I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Science II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Science III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br><br>'''Remap 2:&nbsp;Perception 27 / Willpower 21 / Intelligence, Charisma and Memory 17'''<br><br>Spaceship Command I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial I (26 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial III (11 hours, 42 minutes, 28 seconds) <br>'''Total time: 1 day, 15 hours, 13 minutes, 20 seconds'''<br> </blockquote>
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<blockquote>'''Remap 1&nbsp;:&nbsp;Intelligence 27 / Memory 21 / Perception, Willpower and Charisma 17'''<br><br>Mechanic I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Mechanic II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Mechanic III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br>Electronics I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Survey I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Survey II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Survey III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br>Salvaging I (20 minutes)<br>Salvaging II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds)<br>Salvaging III (8 hours, 46 minutes, 51 seconds)<br>Science I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Science II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Science III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br><br>'''Remap 2:&nbsp;Perception 27 / Willpower 21 / Intelligence, Charisma and Memory 17'''<br><br>Spaceship Command I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)<br>Spaceship Command III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial I (26 minutes, 40 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds)<br>ORE Industrial III (11 hours, 42 minutes, 28 seconds) <br><br>'''Total time: 1 day, 15 hours, 13 minutes, 20 seconds'''<br> </blockquote>  
 
 
 
== How Can you Clean up the Universe&nbsp;? ( How to Salvage )  ==
 
== How Can you Clean up the Universe&nbsp;? ( How to Salvage )  ==
  
Every time a ship is killed, a wreck is left behind. If you have enabled wrecks in your overview you should be able to see a downward triangle with the name of the wreck. If this triangle is full it means the wreck has loot and if the triangle is empty the wreck has nothing. If it is grey, it means you accessed the wreck and opened it and took a look inside. You can loot every wreck if your distance to it is under 2500 meters  
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Every time a ship is destroyed, a wreck is left behind. If you have enabled wrecks in your overview you should be able to see a downward triangle with the name of the wreck. If this triangle is full it means the wreck has loot and if the triangle is empty the wreck has nothing. If it is grey, it means you accessed the wreck and opened it and took a look inside. You can loot every wreck if your distance to it is under 2500 meters  
  
 
Approach the target or lock it and tractor it to your location using the tractor beam. When it is under 2500m (because you want to loot it too). Disable the tractor beam and fire up the salvager. Salvager I has a range of 5000m while Salvager II extends this to 6000m (in my opinion these are not very useful because if it has loot, you have to be under 2500m to loot it). After each cycle of Salvager, you can get any of the 3 messages&nbsp;:  
 
Approach the target or lock it and tractor it to your location using the tractor beam. When it is under 2500m (because you want to loot it too). Disable the tractor beam and fire up the salvager. Salvager I has a range of 5000m while Salvager II extends this to 6000m (in my opinion these are not very useful because if it has loot, you have to be under 2500m to loot it). After each cycle of Salvager, you can get any of the 3 messages&nbsp;:  
  
1. Salvage is successful and you found something of value, look into your cargo hold. The wreck disappears.<br>2. Salvage is successful but you didn't find anything of value. Better like next time. The wreck disappears.<br>3. Salvage was unsuccessful. The salvager will start another cycle and continues until you get message 1 or 2.  
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#1. Salvage is successful and you found something of value, look into your cargo hold. The wreck disappears.
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#2. Salvage is successful but you didn't find anything of value. Better luck next time. The wreck disappears.
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#3. Salvage was unsuccessful. The salvager will start another cycle and continues until you get message 1 or 2.
  
 
Don't worry if you have not looted the wreck yet, when a wreck disappears after salvaging, its loot will appear in a storage container in space where the wreck was. You can then open each container and pick up what's inside. Salvaging will not destroy the loot.<br>  
 
Don't worry if you have not looted the wreck yet, when a wreck disappears after salvaging, its loot will appear in a storage container in space where the wreck was. You can then open each container and pick up what's inside. Salvaging will not destroy the loot.<br>  
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You may want to Salvage for other people. Remember to talk with the fleet or individual beforehand about your share. Usually in E-Uni fleets, salvagers are entitled to an equal share of the loot/salvage profits and bounties if you decide to warp in during the killing (almost no one will object because after all it's your ship that is at risk). Also salvager is usually responsible for hauling and selling the spoils of war to a trade hub and distributing the profits.  
 
You may want to Salvage for other people. Remember to talk with the fleet or individual beforehand about your share. Usually in E-Uni fleets, salvagers are entitled to an equal share of the loot/salvage profits and bounties if you decide to warp in during the killing (almost no one will object because after all it's your ship that is at risk). Also salvager is usually responsible for hauling and selling the spoils of war to a trade hub and distributing the profits.  
  
This is especially profitable during wartime when E-Uni is in [http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/WSOP#During_Relaxed_SOP... Relaxed SOP] when people are allowed to do missions in pvp fitted fleets of at least 3 E-Uni members but cannot salvage. They can and will use an out of corp salvager. If you dropped from the Uni for war or have a salvager alt, this is prime time.  
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This is especially profitable during wartime when E-Uni operating under [http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/WSOP#During_Relaxed_SOP... Relaxed SOP] and people are allowed to do missions in pvp fitted fleets of at least 3 E-Uni members but cannot salvage. They can and will use an out of corp salvager. If you dropped from the Uni for war or have a salvager alt, this is prime time.  
  
 
Salvager usually warps into each mission pocket after all NPCs are dead (or sometime while the killing is going on for a share in bounties) and starts salvaging and collecting loot and continues to the next pocket (if any). If you warp in during the mission please be advised that sometimes new waves can target you and be prepared to warp out as soon as you see some red boxes flashing, you are an industrial not a fighting ship. Sometimes salvager is contracted mission bookmarks in a station after they are done.  
 
Salvager usually warps into each mission pocket after all NPCs are dead (or sometime while the killing is going on for a share in bounties) and starts salvaging and collecting loot and continues to the next pocket (if any). If you warp in during the mission please be advised that sometimes new waves can target you and be prepared to warp out as soon as you see some red boxes flashing, you are an industrial not a fighting ship. Sometimes salvager is contracted mission bookmarks in a station after they are done.  
  
Remember that others in the fleet can see what you looted/salvaged in loot history window of fleet, so if you keep stealing and report lower numbers they will eventually catch you and it is also against E-Uni rules to steal.
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Remember that others in the fleet can see what you looted/salvaged in loot history window of fleet, so if you keep stealing and report lower numbers they will eventually catch you and it is also against E-Uni rules to steal.  
  
 
== How to Make Profit from Salvaging  ==
 
== How to Make Profit from Salvaging  ==
  
You did all the above and now have a load of salvaging materials.  
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You did all the above and now have a load of salvage materials.  
  
 
=== Directly Selling Salvage Materials ( Running a Junkyard )  ===
 
=== Directly Selling Salvage Materials ( Running a Junkyard )  ===
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=== Manufacturing Rigs ( I Can Haz Rigz&nbsp;? )  ===
 
=== Manufacturing Rigs ( I Can Haz Rigz&nbsp;? )  ===
  
Salvage materials are used to manufacture [http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rigs rigs]. You can start manufacturing them if your industry skills are high enough and you have access to the blueprints. Be advised that without high industry skills, your wastage factor will prevent you profiting from producing rigs as you will be competing with near-perfect industrialists with researched blueprints, so it may be more profitable to sell the materials directly. When in doubt you can always make spreadsheets.<br>
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Salvage materials are used to manufacture [http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rigs rigs]. You can start manufacturing them if your industry skills are high enough and you have access to the blueprints. Be advised that without high industry skills, your wastage factor will prevent you profiting from producing rigs as you will be competing with near-perfect industrialists with researched blueprints, so it may be more profitable to sell the materials directly. When in doubt you can always make spreadsheets.<br>  
  
 
== Salvaging Science  ==
 
== Salvaging Science  ==
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The Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPY-1 implant raises base access by 5% - it fits into slot 9. The Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPZ-1 implant reduces cycle time of salvage, hacking and archaeology modules by 5% - it fits into slot 10.  
 
The Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPY-1 implant raises base access by 5% - it fits into slot 9. The Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPZ-1 implant reduces cycle time of salvage, hacking and archaeology modules by 5% - it fits into slot 10.  
  
[ Taken from [[Salvaging 101|Salvaging 101 Class]] because I thought it is already concise and good, please say if I need to para-phrase or write my own].
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[ Taken from [[Salvaging 101|Salvaging 101 Class]] because I thought it is already concise and good, please say if I need to para-phrase or write my own].  
  
== The Dark Side of Salvaging ( Ninja Salvaging ) ==
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== The Dark Side of Salvaging ( Ninja Salvaging ) ==
  
NOTE&nbsp;: Ninja Salvaging is against E-Uni rules. If you do it, you will be punished. I haven't done any Ninja Salvaging so I don't know much about it. This section is here to help you when you encounter Ninja Salvagers. If you dropped out during war and want to be back, don't do it.
 
  
Ninja Salvaging is scanning down and warping into other people's missions and salvaging their wrecks without their permission. Remember that salvaging another players wreck (yellow wreck) is not a CONCORD offence. If you don't loot then you will not be flashy to them. Also, as the wrecks will be yellow, you can't tractor them so you will have to fly to each wreck and salvage it.  
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NOTE : Ninja Salvaging is against E-Uni rules. If you do it, you will be punished. I haven't done any Ninja Salvaging so I don't know much about it. This section is here to help you when you encounter Ninja Salvagers or if you want to become one after leaving E-Uni. If you dropped out during war and want to be back, don't do it. If you have a ninja salvager alt and it can be traced back to your character in E-Uni, don't do it.
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The rule that makes ninja salvaging possible in high security space is that salvaging someone's wreck is not a CONCORD offense. You will not be flashy to the owner of wreck and they can't shoot you but taking the loot will result in you becoming flashy (the same as Can Flipping).
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=== Step by step guide to ninja salvaging : ===
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#1. Finding a popular mission hub. Mission hubs are system several high level agents in adjacent systems and also have lower security value (usually 0.5 and 0.6). Because mission rewards are higher if the agent is located in a lower security value. Low distance to a trade hub is another factor. Note that there are other ninja salvagers and you may have competition in a popular mission hub.
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#2. Initially run a D-Scan of the system to find the type of ship that you want to scan down. Scanning down bigger ships is easier, also if you want to provoke the mission runner into attacking you and then destroying him, you might want to scan down ships of a certain kind. Remember that maximum range on D-Scan is 14 AU and mission usually don't spawn further than 4 AU from celestials. You can warp to every celestial and run a D-Scan. When you have found a ship that you would like to scan down. Start by reducing the range of D-Scan and seeing if the ship is still in range. This way you can find the approximate location of the ship to scan it down faster in step 3. For example you want to scan down a Harbinger. You start reducing the range of your D-Scan and write down the range. You can warp to a celestial in that range (the sphere with the diameter of that range centered on your current location) to run more D-Scans and reduce the range.
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#3. Drop combat probes and scan down the area in the sphere from last step. There maybe hundreds of ship signatures in system but you have a vague idea of where the ship is located. You are only interested in the signatures inside the sphere that you found in last step. Hopefully there are only a few ship signatures in that area. Scan down each signature, at some signature strength you can see the type of the ship to see if you chose the right one. Scan down your designated victim and warp to the mission.
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#4. You cannot tractor yellow wrecks. So don't put any on your ninja salvaging ship. You must fly to each wreck, lock it up and start salvaging when under 5000 meters. Remember that if you don't take any loot, wreck ownder cannot shoot you. A MicroWarp Drive (or AfterBurner) is also useful hereto get to each wreck faster.
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#5. Fly to another wreck, rinse and repeat.
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#6. It cannot be emphasized enough that ninja salvaging and griefing is against E-Uni rules. You may be kicked with no chance of rejoining.<br>
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=== What to when encountering a ninja salvager :<br> ===
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1. Don't panic, at most he can only salvage your wrecks. But cannot take any loot.
  
 
When encountering a Ninja Salvager use the tactics for CanFlippers. Don't fire upon them, usually they are griefers in PvP fit ships, trying to provoke and gank you. In hi-sec, if they attack you directly they will be killed by CONCORD unless you aggress them first. Report the name, ship and location of the ninja salvager in Alliance channel. You can also try warping out, so rats target him while he is busy salvaging and pop him. Another way is to target and destroy your wrecks but be careful when doing this as you may accidentally attack the Ninja Salvager. In my opinion abandoning wrecks is not a good option because he will follow you. The best strategy is to ignore and make life harder for them until they are bored and go away.
 
When encountering a Ninja Salvager use the tactics for CanFlippers. Don't fire upon them, usually they are griefers in PvP fit ships, trying to provoke and gank you. In hi-sec, if they attack you directly they will be killed by CONCORD unless you aggress them first. Report the name, ship and location of the ninja salvager in Alliance channel. You can also try warping out, so rats target him while he is busy salvaging and pop him. Another way is to target and destroy your wrecks but be careful when doing this as you may accidentally attack the Ninja Salvager. In my opinion abandoning wrecks is not a good option because he will follow you. The best strategy is to ignore and make life harder for them until they are bored and go away.
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== Salvaging 102 ( Higher Level Salvaging, e.g. Wormholes )  ==
 
== Salvaging 102 ( Higher Level Salvaging, e.g. Wormholes )  ==
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[I don't have much information about this part so any help is very useful]  
 
[I don't have much information about this part so any help is very useful]  
  
Sleepers (Wormhole NPCs) don't have bounties, so the income for WH site runners comes from Salvage and Loot. Often a salvager also doubles up as an extra picket when not salvaging. Beware that you are the treasure ship and the prime target. A solo stealth bomber can destroy your ship very quickly, so be ready to warp out to your safe spot and cloak up (or inside the POS shields if it is your home WH system). If you are new to salvaging wormholes, don't take your Noctis, instead fly a cheap destroyer.
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Sleepers (Wormhole NPCs) don't have bounties, so the income for WH site runners comes from Salvage and Loot. Often a salvager also doubles up as an extra picket when not salvaging. Beware that you are the treasure ship and the prime target. A solo stealth bomber can destroy your ship very quickly, so be ready to warp out to your safe spot and cloak up (or inside the POS shields if it is your home WH system). If you are new to salvaging wormholes, don't take your Noctis, instead fly a cheap destroyer.  
  
Wormhole salvagers should always have a cloak and probe launcher (with probes) fitted and online. A damage control II and warp core stabilizer are also suggested. Expanded Cargoholds are not required as wormhole loot is not very large.
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Wormhole salvagers should always have a cloak and probe launcher (with probes) fitted and online. A damage control II and warp core stabilizer are also suggested. Expanded Cargoholds are not required as wormhole loot is not very large.  
  
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== Tips and Tricks  ==
 
== Tips and Tricks  ==
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Have fun and Happy Salvaging<br>  
 
Have fun and Happy Salvaging<br>  
  
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== Noctis Fits ==
  
==Noctis Fits==
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=== Noctis ===
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* The Analyzer/Codebreaker can be swapped out for an MWD and Cap Recharger as needed. The ratio of salvagers and tractor beams can be adjusted to suit player skill and salvaging style, and lowslots can be adjusted as well depending on the situation.
 
* The Analyzer/Codebreaker can be swapped out for an MWD and Cap Recharger as needed. The ratio of salvagers and tractor beams can be adjusted to suit player skill and salvaging style, and lowslots can be adjusted as well depending on the situation.
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* The sensor booster can be swapped out for a codebreaker/analyzer as needed, but it helps alleviate the slow lock time caused by the warp core stabilizer.
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What is Salvaging ?

Salvaging is finding useful items from wrecks. After a ship is destroyed (NPC or Player), a wreck is left behind. This wreck may contain loot and salvage. Salvaging is an important part of most PvE combat. NPC wrecks can drop valuable modules or items, and the salvage from wrecks is used to manufacture rigs. 

Why Should you be the Space Janitor?

Salvaging is easy to train into (under 2 days for salvaging III, ORE Industrial III to fly a good noctis).

The salvage in level 4 (and some level 3) missions is on par with and can sometimes surpass the worth of bounties and mission rewards. Also, you're not (usually) being shot at while salvaging.

Low skillpoint characters can become salvagers for level 4 locust fleets and individuals and gain higher profits than doing their own relative mission levels. Salvaging does not need lots of skills, expensive ships/modules, is relatively safe, and suitable for new characters.


Inside the Salvager's Toolbox ( Tools of the Trade )

Salvaging is easy to train into and can be done in almost any ship.

Modules

Salvager I : This is your main tool for salvaging wrecks. Keep one in your hold all the time (they are dirt cheap too). There is also a Tech 2 version Salvager II which is more expensive (needs more training too).

Small Tractor Beam I : You can live without it, but these things make your life a lot easier. They tractor the wrecks (and containers) to your ship so you don't have to fly to every one of them. They are a little more expensive (just under a million isk), but they speed up your salvage which means more isk/hour. Note that although you can salvage yellow wrecks (wrecks not belonging to your fleet), you cannot tractor them. (look at Ninja Salvaging section).

Expanded Cargohold I: Also optional, but it may help you reduce the trips to a station on some of the larger L3-L4 missions. Expanded Cargohold II is also easy to train for and inexpensive.

Small Salvage Tackle Rig (also comes in medium and large sizes): Increases your salvage change by 10% per rig. Adding this to a salvage destroyer or noctis can greatly increase the speed at which you salvage.

There are some other modules that are useful, like a MicroWarp Drive or Afterburner when you want to fly to wrecks out of range of your tractor beam

Ships

Virtually every ship is capable of being used, but you want something with a lot of high-slots to fit tractor beams and salvagers, decent speed for travelling closer to wrecks, and a good cargohold.

Your Good Ole' Destroyer

Yes, that small ship that you used to do level 1 missions with, is a very good choice for a starter salvager. They have 8 high slots (4 tractor beams and 4 salvagers can fit). Also they are fast and very reasonably priced. So, don't throw out your Dessie.It can double up as your salvaging ship until you can afford a Noctis.

Noctis

The Mecca of Salvaging and a salvagers dream. This ship with the nail in its neck was made for salvaging. Has 8 high slots, but more importantly, has a bonus to tractor beam range and speed. With a high level in ORE Industrial skill you can sit still and tractor wrecks from over 70kms away. Salvaging with a Noctis becomes very pleasant and fast. The only down side is a price of about 50 million isk.

Salvage On The Go

Some ships have the ability to do missions without guns. Droneboats are a very good example of these ships. You can warp into a mission with salvagers and tractor beams on your high slots and start salvaging while your drones kill NPCs. The Gallente are known for their drone skills and have an impressive array of droneboats capable of salvaging while fighting. Vexor/Arbitrator (Surprisingly Amarr) (cruiser), Myrmidon (Battlecruiser) and Dominix (Battleship) come to mind.

Marauders are a special class of T2 battleships designed for mission running. They all have a 100% bonus to tractor beam velocity and range (up to 40km from 20km) and have utility high slots to equip salvagers and tractor beams.A 100% bonus to weapon damage and around twice the cargo hold of normal battleships (around 1150 m3) to store loot and salvage. Unfortunately they are very expensive and require a long train.

Skills

To use Salvager I you need Electronics I, Survey III, Mechanic III, Salvaging I.
For the tech 2 version which is Salvager II, you need Salvaging V.

Expanded Cargohold I needs Hull Upgrades I on top of Mechanic I (which you have already trained for Salvager I).
For Expanded Cargohold II , you will have to train Hull Upgrades II.

Small Tractor Beam I requires Science III.

To fly a Noctis, ORE industrial skill must be trained to I or more, which needs Spaceship Command III. Also Science I. The tertiary skill required is Salvaging I which you should have already trained to use Salvager I. Training ORE Industrial is useful as each level increases the tractor beam speed by 300 m/s, its range by 12km and each salvage cycle half a second faster.

Creating a Salvager Alt

Creating a basic salvager alt that can fly a noctis with tractor beam and salvager will take a little more than 2 days without any remaps. With ORE Industrial skill at level III this alt will have a 56km tractor beam range in a noctis and with Salvager III it can salvage almost all normal high-sec missions, to salvage more advanced wrecks you can add rigs. If you want more range on your tractor beams you can train ORE Industrial to levels IV or V.

Mechanic I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)
Mechanic II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)
Mechanic III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)
Electronics I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)
Survey I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)
Survey II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)
Survey III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)
Salvaging I (25 minutes)
Salvaging II (1 hour, 56 minutes, 26 seconds)
Salvaging III (10 hours, 58 minutes, 34 seconds)
Science I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)
Science II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)
Science III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)
Spaceship Command I (8 minutes, 20 seconds)
Spaceship Command II (38 minutes, 50 seconds)
Spaceship Command III (3 hours, 39 minutes, 30 seconds)
ORE Industrial I (33 minutes, 20 seconds)
ORE Industrial II (2 hours, 35 minutes, 14 seconds)
ORE Industrial III (14 hours, 38 minutes, 6 seconds)

Total time: 2 days, 1 hour, 1 minute, 40 seconds

Using two remaps you can decrease this time to 1 day and 15 hours.

Remap 1 : Intelligence 27 / Memory 21 / Perception, Willpower and Charisma 17

Mechanic I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
Mechanic II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)
Mechanic III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)
Electronics I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
Survey I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
Survey II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)
Survey III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)
Salvaging I (20 minutes)
Salvaging II (1 hour, 33 minutes, 8 seconds)
Salvaging III (8 hours, 46 minutes, 51 seconds)
Science I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
Science II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)
Science III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)

Remap 2: Perception 27 / Willpower 21 / Intelligence, Charisma and Memory 17

Spaceship Command I (6 minutes, 40 seconds)
Spaceship Command II (31 minutes, 4 seconds)
Spaceship Command III (2 hours, 55 minutes, 36 seconds)
ORE Industrial I (26 minutes, 40 seconds)
ORE Industrial II (2 hours, 4 minutes, 11 seconds)
ORE Industrial III (11 hours, 42 minutes, 28 seconds)

Total time: 1 day, 15 hours, 13 minutes, 20 seconds

How Can you Clean up the Universe ? ( How to Salvage )

Every time a ship is destroyed, a wreck is left behind. If you have enabled wrecks in your overview you should be able to see a downward triangle with the name of the wreck. If this triangle is full it means the wreck has loot and if the triangle is empty the wreck has nothing. If it is grey, it means you accessed the wreck and opened it and took a look inside. You can loot every wreck if your distance to it is under 2500 meters

Approach the target or lock it and tractor it to your location using the tractor beam. When it is under 2500m (because you want to loot it too). Disable the tractor beam and fire up the salvager. Salvager I has a range of 5000m while Salvager II extends this to 6000m (in my opinion these are not very useful because if it has loot, you have to be under 2500m to loot it). After each cycle of Salvager, you can get any of the 3 messages :

  1. 1. Salvage is successful and you found something of value, look into your cargo hold. The wreck disappears.
  2. 2. Salvage is successful but you didn't find anything of value. Better luck next time. The wreck disappears.
  3. 3. Salvage was unsuccessful. The salvager will start another cycle and continues until you get message 1 or 2.

Don't worry if you have not looted the wreck yet, when a wreck disappears after salvaging, its loot will appear in a storage container in space where the wreck was. You can then open each container and pick up what's inside. Salvaging will not destroy the loot.

The loot and salvage in each wreck are calculated at the time of destruction, so a higher salvaging skill and rigs will not guaranty you higher salvage. Other than enabling you to salvage higher level wrecks, salvage tackle rigs and salvage skill only make salvaging faster.

Each type of rats and ships give certain types of salvage, for a list of T1 salvages you can see this table.

Salvaging for yourself

Nothing complicated here. You may want to salvage on the go or bookmark each mission pocket and then come in later with your salvage ship. Bookmarking is better because you can do a batch of missions and then start salvaging with your Noctis. Also, after you hand in the mission, the acceleration gates will disappear and you can warp directly to each bookmark. Remember that wrecks disappear after 2 hours so time your salvage and mission time accordingly.

Salvaging For Others

You may want to Salvage for other people. Remember to talk with the fleet or individual beforehand about your share. Usually in E-Uni fleets, salvagers are entitled to an equal share of the loot/salvage profits and bounties if you decide to warp in during the killing (almost no one will object because after all it's your ship that is at risk). Also salvager is usually responsible for hauling and selling the spoils of war to a trade hub and distributing the profits.

This is especially profitable during wartime when E-Uni operating under Relaxed SOP and people are allowed to do missions in pvp fitted fleets of at least 3 E-Uni members but cannot salvage. They can and will use an out of corp salvager. If you dropped from the Uni for war or have a salvager alt, this is prime time.

Salvager usually warps into each mission pocket after all NPCs are dead (or sometime while the killing is going on for a share in bounties) and starts salvaging and collecting loot and continues to the next pocket (if any). If you warp in during the mission please be advised that sometimes new waves can target you and be prepared to warp out as soon as you see some red boxes flashing, you are an industrial not a fighting ship. Sometimes salvager is contracted mission bookmarks in a station after they are done.

Remember that others in the fleet can see what you looted/salvaged in loot history window of fleet, so if you keep stealing and report lower numbers they will eventually catch you and it is also against E-Uni rules to steal.

How to Make Profit from Salvaging

You did all the above and now have a load of salvage materials.

Directly Selling Salvage Materials ( Running a Junkyard )

Simply load up all the salvage material and travel to your favorite trade hub and start selling. Fortunately, their volume is usually low which eases transportation. It is easy to forget how valuable they are and haul too much and get suicide ganked. The big money makers are Alloyed Tritanium Bar, Armor Plates, Tripped Power Circuit, Burned Logic Circuit, Melted Capacitor Console and Ward Console.

Manufacturing Rigs ( I Can Haz Rigz ? )

Salvage materials are used to manufacture rigs. You can start manufacturing them if your industry skills are high enough and you have access to the blueprints. Be advised that without high industry skills, your wastage factor will prevent you profiting from producing rigs as you will be competing with near-perfect industrialists with researched blueprints, so it may be more profitable to sell the materials directly. When in doubt you can always make spreadsheets.

Salvaging Science

( info about the percentages and the numbers behind salvaging - Boring Stuff that only a few nerds will read ]
As with every other thing in EVE, there are numbers involved.

All wrecks have a base access percentage - the likelihood that you will successfully salvage the wreck.

  • Small basic wrecks (Frigates and Destroyers) have a base access of 30%
  • Medium basic wrecks (Cruisers and Battlecruisers) have a base access of 20%
  • Large basic wrecks (Battleships) have a base access of 10%
  • Small advanced wrecks (Wormhole NPCs, Faction or officer NPCs, or T2 player ships) have a base access of 0%
  • A Sleeper Large Advanced Wreck has an Access Difficulty Base of -20.

Base access can be modified by salvaging skill level, and using rigs, implants and tech II salvaging modules.

Each salvaging skill level with a Salvager I module raises base access by 5% per level. Note that a higher salvaging skill does not give you better salvage. It just makes it more likely for you to succeed.

Salvaging V unlocks the Salvager II module, which raises base access by 7% per level, and also extends salvaging range to 6,000 meters.

Salvage Tackle I rigs raise base access by 10% each. Salvage Tackle II rigs raise base access by 15% each, but they are hideously expensive and usually not worth the additional investment unless you plan to do a LOT of salvaging.

The Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPY-1 implant raises base access by 5% - it fits into slot 9. The Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPZ-1 implant reduces cycle time of salvage, hacking and archaeology modules by 5% - it fits into slot 10.

[ Taken from Salvaging 101 Class because I thought it is already concise and good, please say if I need to para-phrase or write my own].

The Dark Side of Salvaging ( Ninja Salvaging )

NOTE : Ninja Salvaging is against E-Uni rules. If you do it, you will be punished. I haven't done any Ninja Salvaging so I don't know much about it. This section is here to help you when you encounter Ninja Salvagers or if you want to become one after leaving E-Uni. If you dropped out during war and want to be back, don't do it. If you have a ninja salvager alt and it can be traced back to your character in E-Uni, don't do it.


The rule that makes ninja salvaging possible in high security space is that salvaging someone's wreck is not a CONCORD offense. You will not be flashy to the owner of wreck and they can't shoot you but taking the loot will result in you becoming flashy (the same as Can Flipping).

Step by step guide to ninja salvaging :

  1. 1. Finding a popular mission hub. Mission hubs are system several high level agents in adjacent systems and also have lower security value (usually 0.5 and 0.6). Because mission rewards are higher if the agent is located in a lower security value. Low distance to a trade hub is another factor. Note that there are other ninja salvagers and you may have competition in a popular mission hub.
  2. 2. Initially run a D-Scan of the system to find the type of ship that you want to scan down. Scanning down bigger ships is easier, also if you want to provoke the mission runner into attacking you and then destroying him, you might want to scan down ships of a certain kind. Remember that maximum range on D-Scan is 14 AU and mission usually don't spawn further than 4 AU from celestials. You can warp to every celestial and run a D-Scan. When you have found a ship that you would like to scan down. Start by reducing the range of D-Scan and seeing if the ship is still in range. This way you can find the approximate location of the ship to scan it down faster in step 3. For example you want to scan down a Harbinger. You start reducing the range of your D-Scan and write down the range. You can warp to a celestial in that range (the sphere with the diameter of that range centered on your current location) to run more D-Scans and reduce the range.
  3. 3. Drop combat probes and scan down the area in the sphere from last step. There maybe hundreds of ship signatures in system but you have a vague idea of where the ship is located. You are only interested in the signatures inside the sphere that you found in last step. Hopefully there are only a few ship signatures in that area. Scan down each signature, at some signature strength you can see the type of the ship to see if you chose the right one. Scan down your designated victim and warp to the mission.
  4. 4. You cannot tractor yellow wrecks. So don't put any on your ninja salvaging ship. You must fly to each wreck, lock it up and start salvaging when under 5000 meters. Remember that if you don't take any loot, wreck ownder cannot shoot you. A MicroWarp Drive (or AfterBurner) is also useful hereto get to each wreck faster.
  5. 5. Fly to another wreck, rinse and repeat.
  6. 6. It cannot be emphasized enough that ninja salvaging and griefing is against E-Uni rules. You may be kicked with no chance of rejoining.

What to when encountering a ninja salvager :

1. Don't panic, at most he can only salvage your wrecks. But cannot take any loot.

When encountering a Ninja Salvager use the tactics for CanFlippers. Don't fire upon them, usually they are griefers in PvP fit ships, trying to provoke and gank you. In hi-sec, if they attack you directly they will be killed by CONCORD unless you aggress them first. Report the name, ship and location of the ninja salvager in Alliance channel. You can also try warping out, so rats target him while he is busy salvaging and pop him. Another way is to target and destroy your wrecks but be careful when doing this as you may accidentally attack the Ninja Salvager. In my opinion abandoning wrecks is not a good option because he will follow you. The best strategy is to ignore and make life harder for them until they are bored and go away.


Salvaging 102 ( Higher Level Salvaging, e.g. Wormholes )

[I don't have much information about this part so any help is very useful]

Sleepers (Wormhole NPCs) don't have bounties, so the income for WH site runners comes from Salvage and Loot. Often a salvager also doubles up as an extra picket when not salvaging. Beware that you are the treasure ship and the prime target. A solo stealth bomber can destroy your ship very quickly, so be ready to warp out to your safe spot and cloak up (or inside the POS shields if it is your home WH system). If you are new to salvaging wormholes, don't take your Noctis, instead fly a cheap destroyer.

Wormhole salvagers should always have a cloak and probe launcher (with probes) fitted and online. A damage control II and warp core stabilizer are also suggested. Expanded Cargoholds are not required as wormhole loot is not very large.


Tips and Tricks

[Again any help is very useful here]

  • Some people use 4 tractor beams and 4 salvagers, depending on your preference and fit, this could be 5/3 or 3/5.
  • Using modules that decrease your align time and increase max speed will help you get to the bookmarks and hence your salvage faster.
  • When making a bookmark in a mission to warp in with your salvaging ship, zoom out and choose a wreck to bookmark in the middle of wrecks so almost every one of them is in your tractor beam range. if you have the tank, it may be better to kill enemies closer to you so all the wrecks are concentrated in one spot.
  • If you can, fit a MicroWarp Drive on your salvage ship, to fly to each wreck out of your tractor beam range quickly. Remember that it also makes you easier to find using combat probes and easier to hit.

Have fun and Happy Salvaging


Noctis Fits

Noctis

Noctis
low slot
3
low
mid slot
2
mid
high slot
8
high
launcher hardpoints
0
launcher
high slot
0
turret
low slot
cargo 1460 m3
drone capacity
0 m3
drone cap.
drone bandwith
0 Mbit/sec
drone b/w
Noctis
Industrial
Ship's Role :Salvaging

The Noctis is the newest ORE ship released with the first part of the "Incursion" expansion in November 2010. It requires the skillbook "Ore Industrial" to fly and blueprints are available at ORE stations in the Outer Ring Region. While generally an excellent salvage ship, it has been derided for not being able to fit a MWD, an analyzer and a codebreaker in three midslots, making it less than perfect for exploration use.

Ship Bonuses :
ORE Industrial Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Salvager and Tractor Beam cycle time per level.
60% bonus to tractor beam range and velocity per level.
Variations :
 

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Noctis

Noctis
low slot
3
low
mid slot
2
mid
high slot
8
high
launcher hardpoints
0
launcher
high slot
0
turret
low slot
cargo 1460 m3
drone capacity
0 m3
drone cap.
drone bandwith
0 Mbit/sec
drone b/w
Noctis
Industrial
Ship's Role :Salvaging

The Noctis is the newest ORE ship released with the first part of the "Incursion" expansion in November 2010. It requires the skillbook "Ore Industrial" to fly and blueprints are available at ORE stations in the Outer Ring Region. While generally an excellent salvage ship, it has been derided for not being able to fit a MWD, an analyzer and a codebreaker in three midslots, making it less than perfect for exploration use.

Ship Bonuses :
ORE Industrial Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Salvager and Tractor Beam cycle time per level.
60% bonus to tractor beam range and velocity per level.
Variations :
 

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