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| − | Gas clouds (found in Ladar sites) are used in [[Tech 3 Production]] but can also be very profitable on their own. Please see the page on [[Gas Cloud Mining]] for a full explanation of HOW to harvest gas.
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| − | Ladar sites (along with Grav sites) are the most prevalent in W-space so they are never too hard to find. Most people leave them alone cos it doesn't make anything go boom. In Class 1+2 W-Space Systems you can find Perimeter sites, in Class 3+4 You can find Frontier AND Perimeter sites and in Class 5+6 you can find Core and Frontier and Perimeter sites.
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| − | As with Grav sites, the sleepers in Ladar sites do not appear on warp in (with one exception) but rather appear roughly 20 mins after the site has been activated. If you are out in your scanning ship you can just select "warp to" so you get the pop-up box and then cancel warp. Wait 20 minutes, and you can just go back and grab your site clearing ship first rather than mess around with changing ships and back and forth....
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| − | == Types of gas ==
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| − | Name Volume Found in
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| − | C50 1m3 Perimeter
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| − | C60 1m3 Perimeter
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| − | C70 1m3 Perimeter
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| − | C72 2m3 Perimeter
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| − | C84 2m3 Perimeter
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| − | C28 2m3 Frontier
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| − | C32 5m3 Frontier
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| − | C320 5m3 Core
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| − | == Site Composition and Defences ==
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| − | Name Gas1 (m3) Gas2 (m3) Sleepers
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| − | Barren Perimeter 3000 C50 (3000m3) 1500 C60 (1500m3) 5 Frigates
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| − | Token Perimeter 3000 C60 (3000m3) 1500 C70 (1500m3) 1 Cruiser, 2 Frigates
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| − | Minor Perimeter 3000 C70 (3000m3) 1500 C72 (3000m3) 2 Cruiser
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| − | Ordinary Perimeter 3000 C72 (6000m3) 1500 C84 (3000m3) 5 Sentries (present immediatley upon site activation)
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| − | Sizeable Perimeter 3000 C84 (6000m3) 1500 C50 (1500m3) 6 Frigates
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| − | Bountiful Frontier 5000 C28 (10K m3) 1000 C32 (5000m3) 4 Cruisers, 6 Frigates
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| − | Vast Frontier 5000 C32 (25K m3) 1000 C28 (2000m3) 8 Cruisers
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| − | Vital Core 500 C320 (2500m3) 6000 C540(60K m3) 4 Advanced Battleships, 4 Frigates
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| − | Instrumental Core 500 C540 (5000m3) 6000 C320(30K m3) 4 Advanced Battleships (The only Ladar site to have Warp Scramblers)<br>
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| − | For a detailed list on the threats found in the sites, check out [[Wormhole_Exploration_Sites#Gas_Sites|Wormhole Exploration Sites]]
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| − | A note on sleeper enemies....
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| − | As mentioned above you can find sites below the class of wormhole you are in (i.e. a Barren Perimeter in a C4) but the sleepers you face will have the same stats as if you were in the native class of W-space. So a Barren Perimeter site, even if it is in a C6 Wormhole system can be soloed by a cruiser although why you are taking a cruiser into a C6 is beyond me
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| − | == The Value of Gas ==
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| − | Gas does not have to be refined in order to use it, as Ore and Ice products do. It can be used as is in T3 production by turning it into a polymer using a [[Polymer Reactor Array]]. The difference in value between gasses can be extreme, due to the scarcity of the gas and the value of the end products. For quick and easy reference, here is a listing of [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apz6UcRhxUI0dFFpbU9mMWwxZ2wyTzcyWThjdXNxUFE&usp=sharing current wormhole gas market prices]. Note that while C320/540 is highly valuable, the risk versus reward is too high for beginners. A more manageable target is to harvest C50 as the risk is low and the reward is decent. The sleepers can be cleared very easily and the site can be cleared very quickly due to the small size of the gas.
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| − | A note on the more valuable gasses...
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| − | When you start getting up to the C320/540 stage you will need several people working together to clear the site due to its size. You will probably need haulers and also someone acting as a dedicated scout. Remember, there is nothing like watching someone clear a site then ganking them and taking all the gas it took them hours to harvest in a matter of minutes. Don't let it happen to you.
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| − | == Ships and Fitting ==
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| − | A battlecruiser works well for this due to its cargo size and Grid/CPU output. If you have someone with good leadership skills then a Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization gang link will reduce your harvester's cycle time. Other links do not affect gas mining.
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| − | For the rest of your fit, a Proto cloak, probe launcher and cargohold expanders are the order of the day. Oh yeah a Scanner in a mid slot is useful too so you can see how much gas is remaining (you only need a T1 scanner as you have to be 1500m from the cloud to harvest so you don't need increased range). A bit of tank is handy and cargo expanders in the lows. THERE IS NO EXCUSE NOT TO FIT 2 WARP CORE STABS! I cannot emphasise that enough. If your constant spamming of D-scan is not enough to see someone (and in a lot of cases it won't be) then if one person warps in they will need a faction scram to catch you. If they can afford that then chances are they have a much better ship and more skills than you so you are dead anyway. Otherwise a big gang will drop on you with multiple scrams in which case you are dead anyway. Two stabs are just about right for this. You may also want to fit some sort of ECM in the mids but that is up to you.
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| − | The new Venture class mining frigate works very well for gas harvesting. It can only equip two gas harvesters but has a 100% bonus to the amount harvested and a 5% bonus to cycle time per mining frigate skill level. At Mining Frigate 4 with 2 tech2 gas harvesters, Venture's yield is the same as a battlecruiser with 5 tech2 gas harvesters. The ore hold is also 5,000m3 and is also capable of holding harvested gas.
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| − | Comparing Yield of Venture with unbonused ships:
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| − | Yield per T2 gas harvester at base = 20 m^3
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| − | Yield per T2 gas harvester in Venture = 20*2 = 40 m^3
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| − | Cycle time without bonus = 40 seconds
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| − | Cycle time with Venture bonus and Mining Frigate skill at 4 = 40*0.80 (s) = 32 seconds
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| − | Cycle time with Venture bonus and Mining Frigate skill at 5 = 40*0.75 (s) = 30 seconds
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| − | Yield :
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| − | Unbonused ship with 5 T2 harvesters = 20*5/40 = 2.5 m^3/s
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| − | Venture with 2 T2 harvesters and Mining Frigate 4 = 20*2*2/32 = 2.5 m^3/s
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| − | Venture with 2 T2 harvesters and Mining Frigate 5 = 20*2*2/30 = 2.67 m^3/s
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| − | Here is an [http://forum.eveuniversity.org/download/file.php?id=1318| Excel file] that calculates your yield based on skills, equipment and then gives you ISK/Venture Hold or ISK per Ladar site type. This file also gives you the above gas volumes per site and tells you how long it will take to harvest the various Ladar sites.
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| − | ****How To Ninja Gas Harvest With The Venture Mining Frigate:
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| − | ****(This information is outdated. Sleepers now target out to 350km and will move towards any ships on grid and will launch missles at extreme range resulting in lost Ventures. LADAR sites in W-hole space now have to be cleared prior to mining after the 15 minute timer spawn timer has passed. - Abetorix Lincoln)
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| − | From the above info you can see that the only Ladar site to avoid is the "Token Perimeter Reserve". All the others contain at least one valuable gas. All have Sleepers so you only have ~15 minutes to get as much gas as you can before they arrive and make short work of the Venture. Also, note that the Ordinary Reserve has sentries which are there as soon as you warp in. You'll have to clear them with a Battlecruiser or larger before taking a Venture in there. The second, and likely more dangerous threat, is from other pilots. Gas harvesting is boring but you'll need to be spamming d-scan every 5-10 seconds to see if you're about to get dropped on and/or see combat probes. As soon as you see anything likely able to kill you it's time to leave. The Venture has a +2 warp core strength but if you're not paying attention to d-scan a good combat prober could easily get a couple scrambling ships on top of you very quickly. One tactic is to fit a warp core stabilizer in the low and a Prototype ECCM Magnetometric Sensor Cluster in a mid-slot. The thinking being that the warp stab will let you escape any enemy not bringing 4+ points of warp disruption and the ECCM will improve your sensor strength which makes you harder to scan down. The scanning ship will likely find the Ladar site well before finding you and send his friends to the site at 0 instead of directly on top of you (or take so long to scan you down you will see the combat probes on d-scan). Since they will be out of scram range you will likely have enough time to align out (to your safe, not directly to the exit which could be bubbled) and if you fitted a medium shield extender you should survive any volleys they do throw at you in that short period of time. You can fit a clock to the extra high-slot but you'll never be able to use it while harvesting it is recommended to fit a probe launcher in case your exit disappears while you are harvesting and you need to find a new way home.
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| − | == In Conclusion ==
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| − | Gas harvesting is very dull as you don't even get the "click-drag" every 3 minutes that you get with regular mining. You also don't get the nice visuals you get with regular mining. You just sit there and wait for your hold to fill up before jetcanning the gas, which can take as much as 15 minutes. That said, it is VERY profitable. You can get close to 150M isk/hr from harvesting C320 at time of writing, which far negates any boredom you might get. Use it in T3 production and you can make it even more profitable. Even turning it into polymers can make it more valuable. (And a lot less bulky).
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| − | Happy Harvesting.
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| − | [[Category:Wormholes]] [[Category:PvE]]
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