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== Where's the old WSOP that the comments below are talking about? == | |||
On April 4, 2013, most of the previous WSOP requirements became recommendations and were moved (with some rewording) to the page [[Tips For War]]. | |||
== Breaking the WarSOP? == | |||
In the Requests for Clarification section, it talks about "[[Archive:Student Guidance Department#I screwed up with the WSOP. What can I expect?|I screwed up with the WSOP. What can I expect?]]". | |||
Now that the WarSOP consists of "you can fly anything, but here are some tips" - what exactly is left that you can breach?! | |||
== Proposal to Add Caveat Emptor to WSOP == | |||
WSOP should begin with a prominent paragraph along the lines of: | |||
High security wars are serious and could easily lead to the loss of your ship and pod. It is YOUR responsibility to learn to protect yourself from being unwilling victims of the war targets. The University will not protect you, but it will teach you to protect yourself. These survival skills will be invaluable in EVE Online. | |||
Explaination | |||
As an older noob player (Sophomore literally means wise fool), I see a disconnect between the new players entering the UNI after the most recent WSOP changes and the older corporation members from before. The older page used to innately convey that high security war are serious business with big red and green rules for what you can and cannot do. The new one gives no such indication that high sec war might be serious, or that you might die. Instead, only a few sections down it eventually casually links to our tips on how to survive during wartime. That page is a wall of text that even the most studious applicants are not going to read during the already thorough application process. | |||
I fully support the new WSOP itself, but the current page needs to better address the needs of our newest players, who are just then applying to the UNI. By setting their expectations there, on a page they are supposed to read and summarize during the application process, I hope we can cut down on the proliferation of these threads. | |||
== Fleets == | == Fleets == | ||
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== Suggestions == | == Suggestions == | ||
* | * Explicitly list the Venture frigate as an at risk mining vessel per Marius Labo's WSOP Clarifications game mail: 'And with regards to the new T1 ORE mining frigate Venture it is considered a mining vessel and therefore a "risk ship".' | ||
* I'm not aware of a forum thread for discussing changes to wartime policies, so if this is the wrong place for ordinary Unistas to make suggestions, I apologize in advance. | * I'm not aware of a forum thread for discussing changes to wartime policies, so if this is the wrong place for ordinary Unistas to make suggestions, I apologize in advance. | ||
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**"Rigs should not be fitted on frigates, destroyers or cruisers." This statement is vague. Depending upon intent, it should be changed to "The University allows, but strongly recommends against, fitting rigs to frigates, destroyers, or cruisers" or "Rigs are prohibited on frigates, destroyers, and cruisers". | **"Rigs should not be fitted on frigates, destroyers or cruisers." This statement is vague. Depending upon intent, it should be changed to "The University allows, but strongly recommends against, fitting rigs to frigates, destroyers, or cruisers" or "Rigs are prohibited on frigates, destroyers, and cruisers". | ||
***"Trading while docked in a station, however moving items is prohibited." should be clarified to "Station Trading (that is, trading that does not require you to undock) is allowed. Using your University character to move items from one station to another is prohibited." | ***"Trading while docked in a station, however moving items is prohibited." should be clarified to "Station Trading (that is, trading that does not require you to undock) is allowed. Using your University character to move items from one station to another is prohibited." | ||
**"Dropping from E-UNI during the war - there are no penalties this." <-- Change to "Dropping from E-UNI during the war and rejoining the University after the war is over - there are no penalties for this." --[[User:Seamus | **"Dropping from E-UNI during the war - there are no penalties this." <-- Change to "Dropping from E-UNI during the war and rejoining the University after the war is over - there are no penalties for this." --[[User:Seamus Donohue|Seamus Donohue]] 07:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
***Forum post is here! [http://www.eve-ivy.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=25963] [[User:Kelduum | ***Forum post is here! [http://www.eve-ivy.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=25963] [[User:Kelduum Revaan|Kelduum Revaan]] 19:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC) | ||
****The server and domain name recently changed. [ | ****The server and domain name recently changed. [https://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=25963 The new link can be found here]. --[[User:Miranda glade|Miranda Glade]] 13:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
*****And now that thread has been locked, so I presume the correct place for making suggestions is on this page. --[[User:Miranda glade|Miranda Glade]] 00:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC) | *****And now that thread has been locked, so I presume the correct place for making suggestions is on this page. --[[User:Miranda glade|Miranda Glade]] 00:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
* Explicitly add Orca to one of the ship categories? Yes, it's common sense, but I'm sure a rules lawyer would ''never'' try and argue that it wasn't technically in one of the categories... Heck, might as well add "Industrial Command Ship" to the Capital category, just in case someone has a Rorqual? [[User:Smoogle|Smoogle]] 04:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC) | * Explicitly add Orca to one of the ship categories? Yes, it's common sense, but I'm sure a rules lawyer would ''never'' try and argue that it wasn't technically in one of the categories... Heck, might as well add "Industrial Command Ship" to the Capital category, just in case someone has a Rorqual? [[User:Smoogle|Smoogle]] 04:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC) | ||
* "Ships must be fully 'PvP fitted'. " Forum Link Broken. Maybe replace with this one | * "Ships must be fully 'PvP fitted'. " Forum Link Broken. Maybe replace with this one https://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=129&t=19111 [[User:Yokitte|Yokitte]] 03:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
* The WSOP contains a section on Promoted Activities. First item on the list is Fleet Operations. Yet, there is no link to the [[Fleet Operations During War Time]] policy page. I believe a link should be included. A precedent for this exists: The [[Wartime and Official ILN Operations Loot Policy]], a similar extended policy information page, is linked from the WSOP page. --[[User:Miranda glade|Miranda Glade]] 00:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC) | * The WSOP contains a section on Promoted Activities. First item on the list is Fleet Operations. Yet, there is no link to the [[Fleet Operations During War Time]] policy page. I believe a link should be included. A precedent for this exists: The [[Wartime and Official ILN Operations Loot Policy]], a similar extended policy information page, is linked from the WSOP page. --[[User:Miranda glade|Miranda Glade]] 00:14, 9 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Hey guys: | Hey guys: | ||
Take a second, and read bullet 3 and bullet 4 of Non-Fleet | Take a second, and read bullet 3 and bullet 4 of Non-Fleet activities. I can easily see bullet 4 sounding like "Its ok to fly a cruiser or up, as long as I use warp core stabs." I don't think this was the intent of the bulletpoint.... | ||
<br> LJ Chimera | <br> LJ Chimera | ||
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- From a Command.ILN conversation on 30 November 2010, Kyrlin clarified that pilots may not be in space in a covops without a fleet, as doing so looks like you (the covops pilot) are running exploration sites and will get you removed from the uni for a breach of W(artime)SOP. Suggest edit to the language of the Wartime SOP to reflect this. - Dimitri Grishenko 30/11/10 | - From a Command.ILN conversation on 30 November 2010, Kyrlin clarified that pilots may not be in space in a covops without a fleet, as doing so looks like you (the covops pilot) are running exploration sites and will get you removed from the uni for a breach of W(artime)SOP. Suggest edit to the language of the Wartime SOP to reflect this. - Dimitri Grishenko 30/11/10 | ||
- Based on the thread regarding the Privateer War at | - Based on the thread regarding the Privateer War at https://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=27151&hilit=scout&start=15, it is suggested that Faction probe launchers not be used. Consider clarifying. - Dimitri Grishenko 30/11/10 | ||
== ILN BG2 Wiki Updates == | == ILN BG2 Wiki Updates == | ||
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Since that rule fell, can it be removed here as well ( WSOP writing style and consistency keeps being confusing ) | Since that rule fell, can it be removed here as well ( WSOP writing style and consistency keeps being confusing ) | ||
== Looting and Salvaging Policy == | |||
My proposed change to the ''Loot from war targets'' section of the [[Archive:Wartime Standard Operating Procedures|Wartime Standard Operating Procedures]] page is below. The name of this section would change to ''Wartime Looting and Salvaging''. Along with this change I propose to delete the [[Wartime and Official ILN Operations Loot Policy]] page. This change will consolidate the Wartime loot policy to one place, and make it easier for new pilots to find and understand. This modification does not change anything inherent to the policy in this edit, it simply cleans it up a little. | |||
Proposed Change: | |||
===Wartime Looting and Salvaging=== | |||
====General Loot Policy==== | |||
* Nothing in this SOP removes the general [[EVE University Rules#Looting and Salvaging|Looting and Salvaging]] restrictions in the [[EVE University Rules]]. | |||
====Loot from War Targets==== | |||
* All loot and salvage from ''''''war targets'''''' (and only war targets) is considered property of the Logistics Department. The closest pilot to the wreck has permission to loot and salvage. This loot should be passed to a tanked ship to return to HQ. If you are found to be stealing you will be punished. | |||
* Note, theft of loot from our war target wrecks by out of Corp alts is not permitted. Any Eve University member using an out of Corp alt to steal from Eve University wrecks for personal profit will be considered to have committed Corp theft. | |||
====During a Fleet==== | |||
* Frigates and small craft close to the wreck will loot/salvage it as quickly as possible. They will then pass the loot to the Fleet Commander or designated pilot. | |||
* The Fleet Commander or designated pilot will then dock to store loot in safe location until it can be moved back to HQ. | |||
* Note, It is required that all members of the University try to return objects looted from Uni losses to their original owner. | |||
====After a Fleet==== | |||
* Optional: Fleet Commanders may use killboard values to split up loot so that people who lost a ship get at least some loot to help cover their loss (up to the price of the ship). Loot distribution is also authorized to cover the cost of fuel used during the fleet. This process may be conducted by the Fleet Commander or their designated representative, but the Fleet Commander is responsible for ensuring fairness. Fleet Commanders may show preference to ship types, but not to individual pilots. | |||
* Required: Any remaining loot (or all loot if you skipped loss/fuel reimbursement) is to be placed in the War Loot container in the Alpha Hangar at HQ. If you feel it is not safe to return the loot to Aldrat, create an item exchange contract to "reimbursement manager" from where you are. | |||
--[[User:Sam_note|Sam Note]] 18:12, 10 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
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