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'''Dreadnoughts''' ("dreads") are DPS ~~machines~~, only ~~surpassed as damage-dealers by~~ Supercarriers and ~~Titans~~. ~~Only dreads~~ can fit a siege module. Each ~~empire faction~~ has one [[Tech 1]] dreadnought ~~hull~~:

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'''Dreadnoughts''', commonly called "dreads", are the main DPS of any capital fleet, with the only the much more expensive [[Supercarriers|Supercarrier]] and [[Titan]] class ships capable of beating them. Dreads can fit a "siege module" allowing them to greatly increase their DPS, local reps, and EWAR resistance, in exchange for being unable to receive remote reps and being unable to control their movement(they can still be pushed by other ships, and if they had speed before activating the module, they will continue to drift).

Each of the empires has one Tech 1 dreadnought, a Faction dread, and a Tech 2 "lancer" dread, which is capable of firing a Destructive Lance. The Ships are as follows:

T1 Hulls:

* {{sh|Revelation}}

* {{sh|Phoenix}}

* {{sh|Moros}}

* {{sh|Naglfar}}

~~Each empire faction also has one [[Tech 2]] Lancer dreadnought;~~

T2 Hulls:

* {{Sh|Bane}}

* {{Sh|Karura}}

* {{Sh|Hubris}}

* {{Sh|Valravn}}

~~Each Faction also has one~~ [[Faction]] ~~dreadnought hull~~:

[[Faction]] Hulls:

* {{sh|Revelation Navy Issue}}

* {{sh|Phoenix Navy Issue}}

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* {{sh|Caiman}}

* {{sh|Zirnitra}}

The blueprint copy for the Vehement can be bought with Serpentis [[LP]]. The blueprint copy for the Chemosh can drop from a Blood Raider Sotiyo. The BPC for the Caiman can be bought from the special insurgency LP store in Zarzakh or the pirate FOB in insurgency systems. The blueprint copies for the Zirnitra can be bought with Interstellar Navigation Logs from the Triglavian loyalty point stores in [[Pochven]]. These acquisition difficulties make these dreadnoughts very rare and expensive. As dreadnoughts cannot receive remote repairs while in siege, faction dreadnoughts generally only have very niche uses besides being collector items.

The blueprint copy for the Vehement can be bought with Serpentis [[LP]]. The blueprint copy for the Chemosh can drop from a Blood Raider Sotiyo. The BPC for the Caiman can be bought from the special insurgency LP store in Zarzakh or the pirate FOB in insurgency systems. The blueprint copies for the Zirnitra can be bought with Interstellar Navigation Logs from the Triglavian loyalty point stores in [[Pochven]]. These acquisition difficulties make these dreadnoughts, except for the [[Zirnitra]], very rare and expensive. As dreadnoughts cannot receive remote repairs while in siege, faction dreadnoughts generally only have very niche uses besides being collector items.

== The Siege Module ==

The single most significant ~~and important~~ module on any dreadnought is the Siege Module. The siege module exists in a T1 and T2 variant and has the following effects when activated:

The single most significant module on any dreadnought is the Siege Module. The siege module exists in a T1 and T2 variant and has the following effects when activated:

* +700% turret damage (<span style="color:yellow">Tech II: +840%</span>)

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{{expansion past|

In the April 2019 patch the base damage of High-Angle Weapon turrets was reduced, and the Siege Module was given a bonus specifically to them. See https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-april-2019-release and https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/spring-balance-update-incoming . The intent was to maintain the same overall DPS for dreadnoughts while reducing the damage of high-angle Titans.

In the April 2019 patch the base damage of High-Angle Weapon turrets was reduced, and the Siege Module was given a bonus specifically to them. See https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-april-2019-release and https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/spring-balance-update-incoming. The intent was to maintain the same overall DPS for dreadnoughts while reducing the damage of high-angle Titans.

On 27 February 2020, the damage changes to High-Angle Weapons and the Siege Module were reverted, and high-angle weapons were instead restricted to only being usable by dreadnoughts. There was no dev blog article associated with this change.

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The guns are usually short range to achieve high DPS which is usually at about 10k per dread. Revelations are popular as they can easily switch ammunition, and the Scorch ammunition makes it possible to deal high damage even at big ranges, however Revelations are locked into EM/thermal damage. Naglfars can choose their damage but have a bit less tank than Revelations. Moros have the highest damage on paper, but their range is short in comparison with the others.

Anti capital dreads can be used in various contexts. From a drop on a single carrier with only a single or few dreads~~. Over~~ a drop on a FAX supporting a subcap fleet~~. To~~ big dread bomb to kill ~~super carriers~~ or titans.

Anti-capital dreads can be used in various contexts. From a drop on a single carrier with only a single or few dreads to a drop on a FAX supporting a subcap fleet to a big dread bomb to kill supercarriers or titans.

Dreadbombs historically have not traded favorably against supercapital fleets with the critical mass to be effective.<ref>See [https://youtu.be/LpGDcFZMu1Y Jin'talks - Why Dreadbombs Don't Work (against Superfleets)].</ref> This means that dreadbombs are deployed either against a single vulnerable target in the hope to extract before help arrives (or dropping enough dreads to kill the target before rescue but not enough to exceed the target's value) or when a super fight is already in progress. This probably also triggered the changes to remote reps<ref>see https://www.eveonline.com/article/pobbb9/spring-balance-update-incoming</ref> and the limitation to FAX cap boosters which reduced the overall repair amount especially for FAXs in big fleets. In the super fights since then, such as M2-XFE, dreadnoughts have not traded well with critical mass titan fleets. In the M2-XFE armor timer, a TEST dreadbomb got destroyed by lance doomsdays from some of the Imperium's titans. In the rescue/extraction fight, a large PAPI dreadbomb was enough to distract the Imperium's titans and cover the extraction of most of the PAPI titans. However, this dreadbomb did not trade effectively against the Imperium. While it accomplished the objective and brought a win for the PAPI side, the cost was several hundred dreadnoughts against six Imperium titans.

However, in recent times, with the industry changes to Titans and Supers making them significantly less viable to use as a counter-dreadbomb tool due to their high cost, dreadbombs have become the standard response to structure fights or large enemy battleship fleets (See battle of Ahbazon). The advent of faction dreadnoughts and the dps king [[Zirnitra]] have made dreadbombs much more tanky and damaging than in the past. This new dominance of faction dreads was one of the stated reasons for doubling Titan Doomsday damage in the Equinox expansion. <ref>See https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/equinox-expansion-notes</ref>

=== Structure bashing ===

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=== Vindicator-supported Capgun dreads ===

This is a rare but deadly strategy used in Class 5 and Class 6 [[Wormhole]] engagements. In most cases, this is done using two Naglfars fitted with anti-capital Hexa-2500mm Repeating Cannons, and one [[Apostle]] (or other [[Force Auxiliary]]), supported by one or more [[Vindicator]]s, [[Loki]]s, and [[Huginn]]s. The objective of this composition is to use the Vindicator's webs to completely immobilize enemy cruisers and battleships, then target paint them with the Huginn and quickly eliminate them with the anti-capital weapons of the Naglfars (which, while they ordinarily cannot hit subcapitals, have little trouble hitting stationary targets). The Loki and Huginn together ~~are able to~~ apply webs to enemies outside of Vindicator range, and the Force Auxiliary is in charge of keeping the support ships alive under enemy fire. Variations of this strategy are employed both by independent roamers and by high-class Wormhole groups in major engagements with one another.

This is a rare but deadly strategy used in Class 5 and Class 6 [[Wormhole]] engagements. In most cases, this is done using two Naglfars fitted with anti-capital Hexa-2500mm Repeating Cannons, and one [[Apostle]] (or other [[Force Auxiliary]]), supported by one or more [[Vindicator]]s, [[Loki]]s, and [[Huginn]]s. The objective of this composition is to use the Vindicator's webs to completely immobilize enemy cruisers and battleships, then target paint them with the Huginn and quickly eliminate them with the anti-capital weapons of the Naglfars (which, while they ordinarily cannot hit subcapitals, have little trouble hitting stationary targets). The Loki and Huginn together can apply webs to enemies outside of Vindicator range, and the Force Auxiliary is in charge of keeping the support ships alive under enemy fire. Variations of this strategy are employed both by independent roamers and by high-class Wormhole groups in major engagements with one another.

== References ==

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-'''Dreadnoughts''' ("dreads") are DPS machines, only surpassed as damage-dealers by Supercarriers and Titans. Only dreads can fit a siege module. Each empire faction has one [[Tech 1]] dreadnought hull:
+{{Cleanup|Contains relative time information ([[UniWiki:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Relative time references|MoS Relative time references]]). There might be more issues.}}
+'''Dreadnoughts''', commonly called "dreads", are the main DPS of any capital fleet, with the only the much more expensive [[Supercarriers|Supercarrier]] and [[Titan]] class ships capable of beating them. Dreads can fit a "siege module" allowing them to greatly increase their DPS, local reps, and EWAR resistance, in exchange for being unable to receive remote reps and being unable to control their movement(they can still be pushed by other ships, and if they had speed before activating the module, they will continue to drift).
+Each of the empires has one Tech 1 dreadnought, a Faction dread, and a Tech 2 "lancer" dread, which is capable of firing a Destructive Lance. The Ships are as follows:
+T1 Hulls:
 * {{sh|Revelation}}
 * {{sh|Phoenix}}
 * {{sh|Moros}}
 * {{sh|Naglfar}}
-Each empire faction also has one [[Tech 2]] Lancer dreadnought;
+T2 Hulls:
 * {{Sh|Bane}}
 * {{Sh|Karura}}
 * {{Sh|Hubris}}
 * {{Sh|Valravn}}
-Each Faction also has one [[Faction]] dreadnought hull:
+[[Faction]] Hulls:
 * {{sh|Revelation Navy Issue}}
 * {{sh|Phoenix Navy Issue}}
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 * {{sh|Caiman}}
 * {{sh|Zirnitra}}
-The blueprint copy for the Vehement can be bought with Serpentis [[LP]]. The blueprint copy for the Chemosh can drop from a Blood Raider Sotiyo. The BPC for the Caiman can be bought from the special insurgency LP store in Zarzakh or the pirate FOB in insurgency systems. The blueprint copies for the Zirnitra can be bought with Interstellar Navigation Logs from the Triglavian loyalty point stores in [[Pochven]]. These acquisition difficulties make these dreadnoughts very rare and expensive. As dreadnoughts cannot receive remote repairs while in siege, faction dreadnoughts generally only have very niche uses besides being collector items.
+The blueprint copy for the Vehement can be bought with Serpentis [[LP]]. The blueprint copy for the Chemosh can drop from a Blood Raider Sotiyo. The BPC for the Caiman can be bought from the special insurgency LP store in Zarzakh or the pirate FOB in insurgency systems. The blueprint copies for the Zirnitra can be bought with Interstellar Navigation Logs from the Triglavian loyalty point stores in [[Pochven]]. These acquisition difficulties make these dreadnoughts, except for the [[Zirnitra]], very rare and expensive. As dreadnoughts cannot receive remote repairs while in siege, faction dreadnoughts generally only have very niche uses besides being collector items.
 == The Siege Module ==
-The single most significant and important module on any dreadnought is the Siege Module. The siege module exists in a T1 and T2 variant and has the following effects when activated:
+The single most significant module on any dreadnought is the Siege Module. The siege module exists in a T1 and T2 variant and has the following effects when activated:
 * +700% turret damage (<span style="color:yellow">Tech II: +840%</span>)
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 {{expansion past|
-In the April 2019 patch the base damage of High-Angle Weapon turrets was reduced, and the Siege Module was given a bonus specifically to them. See https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-april-2019-release and https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/spring-balance-update-incoming . The intent was to maintain the same overall DPS for dreadnoughts while reducing the damage of high-angle Titans.
+In the April 2019 patch the base damage of High-Angle Weapon turrets was reduced, and the Siege Module was given a bonus specifically to them. See https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-april-2019-release and https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/spring-balance-update-incoming. The intent was to maintain the same overall DPS for dreadnoughts while reducing the damage of high-angle Titans.
 On 27 February 2020, the damage changes to High-Angle Weapons and the Siege Module were reverted, and high-angle weapons were instead restricted to only being usable by dreadnoughts. There was no dev blog article associated with this change.
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 The guns are usually short range to achieve high DPS which is usually at about 10k per dread. Revelations are popular as they can easily switch ammunition, and the Scorch ammunition makes it possible to deal high damage even at big ranges, however Revelations are locked into EM/thermal damage. Naglfars can choose their damage but have a bit less tank than Revelations. Moros have the highest damage on paper, but their range is short in comparison with the others.
-Anti capital dreads can be used in various contexts. From a drop on a single carrier with only a single or few dreads. Over a drop on a FAX supporting a subcap fleet. To big dread bomb to kill super carriers or titans.
+Anti-capital dreads can be used in various contexts. From a drop on a single carrier with only a single or few dreads to a drop on a FAX supporting a subcap fleet to a big dread bomb to kill supercarriers or titans.
 Dreadbombs historically have not traded favorably against supercapital fleets with the critical mass to be effective.<ref>See [https://youtu.be/LpGDcFZMu1Y Jin'talks - Why Dreadbombs Don't Work (against Superfleets)].</ref> This means that dreadbombs are deployed either against a single vulnerable target in the hope to extract before help arrives (or dropping enough dreads to kill the target before rescue but not enough to exceed the target's value) or when a super fight is already in progress. This probably also triggered the changes to remote reps<ref>see https://www.eveonline.com/article/pobbb9/spring-balance-update-incoming</ref> and the limitation to FAX cap boosters which reduced the overall repair amount especially for FAXs in big fleets. In the super fights since then, such as M2-XFE, dreadnoughts have not traded well with critical mass titan fleets. In the M2-XFE armor timer, a TEST dreadbomb got destroyed by lance doomsdays from some of the Imperium's titans. In the rescue/extraction fight, a large PAPI dreadbomb was enough to distract the Imperium's titans and cover the extraction of most of the PAPI titans. However, this dreadbomb did not trade effectively against the Imperium. While it accomplished the objective and brought a win for the PAPI side, the cost was several hundred dreadnoughts against six Imperium titans.
+However, in recent times, with the industry changes to Titans and Supers making them significantly less viable to use as a counter-dreadbomb tool due to their high cost, dreadbombs have become the standard response to structure fights or large enemy battleship fleets (See battle of Ahbazon). The advent of faction dreadnoughts and the dps king [[Zirnitra]] have made dreadbombs much more tanky and damaging than in the past. This new dominance of faction dreads was one of the stated reasons for doubling Titan Doomsday damage in the Equinox expansion. <ref>See https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/equinox-expansion-notes</ref>
 === Structure bashing ===
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 === Vindicator-supported Capgun dreads ===
-This is a rare but deadly strategy used in Class 5 and Class 6 [[Wormhole]] engagements. In most cases, this is done using two Naglfars fitted with anti-capital Hexa-2500mm Repeating Cannons, and one [[Apostle]] (or other [[Force Auxiliary]]), supported by one or more [[Vindicator]]s, [[Loki]]s, and [[Huginn]]s. The objective of this composition is to use the Vindicator's webs to completely immobilize enemy cruisers and battleships, then target paint them with the Huginn and quickly eliminate them with the anti-capital weapons of the Naglfars (which, while they ordinarily cannot hit subcapitals, have little trouble hitting stationary targets). The Loki and Huginn together are able to apply webs to enemies outside of Vindicator range, and the Force Auxiliary is in charge of keeping the support ships alive under enemy fire. Variations of this strategy are employed both by independent roamers and by high-class Wormhole groups in major engagements with one another.
+This is a rare but deadly strategy used in Class 5 and Class 6 [[Wormhole]] engagements. In most cases, this is done using two Naglfars fitted with anti-capital Hexa-2500mm Repeating Cannons, and one [[Apostle]] (or other [[Force Auxiliary]]), supported by one or more [[Vindicator]]s, [[Loki]]s, and [[Huginn]]s. The objective of this composition is to use the Vindicator's webs to completely immobilize enemy cruisers and battleships, then target paint them with the Huginn and quickly eliminate them with the anti-capital weapons of the Naglfars (which, while they ordinarily cannot hit subcapitals, have little trouble hitting stationary targets). The Loki and Huginn together can apply webs to enemies outside of Vindicator range, and the Force Auxiliary is in charge of keeping the support ships alive under enemy fire. Variations of this strategy are employed both by independent roamers and by high-class Wormhole groups in major engagements with one another.
 == References ==