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-= Damage dealers =
+= Minimum skills =
+The following skills are the minimum skills needed to use the fits we use for incursions. For more information on what the different skills do, see the [[Support_Skills#Skills|support skills]] page. The training times listed for these will assume that you trained {{sk|Cybernetics|I}} and got a cheap set of '''+3 attribute implants''', which is not only reasonable but highly recommended regardless what you plan on doing in EVE. There's even [[The +3 Implants Program]] for unistas to get started.
+{{note box|The majority of the skills we ask you to train are core fitting and support skills that'll help you fit and fly most ships better. Even the combat skills are mostly general gunnery or drone support skills you'd train as well if you did anything combat related in EVE.}}
+== Damage dealers ==
+Getting the minimum skills for a damage dealer requires a couple of months worth of training, if you train into a turret-based battleship on a brand new character.
+Considering that is far more likely that you come looking for incursions after you have played the game for at least a couple of weeks, having trained some of the support skills already (the tutorial mentions many of them), you can often get ready much faster. Add to that the potential of neural remapping and what might seem like a daunting train can be covered in no-time.
+These minimum skills will allow you to fly any of the '''minimum battleship fits''' for [[Vanguard Incursion fits#Battleships|vanguards]] and [[Assault Incursion fits#Battleships|assaults]].
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 Drones V<br>
 Light Drone Operation V<br>
-Amarr Drone Specialization III<small>&nbsp;<ref>'''Drones V''', '''Light Drone Operation V''' and '''Amarr Drone Specialization I''' is required to use Acolyte II. Consider training '''Medium Drone Operation V''' to be able to use Infiltrator II drones as well.</ref></small><br>
+Amarr Drone Specialization III<small>&nbsp;<ref>'''Drones V''', '''Light Drone Operation V''' and '''Amarr Drone Specialization I''' is required to use Acolyte II. Consider training '''Medium Drone Operation V''' to be able to use Infiltrator II drones as well. It's acceptable to skip this skill initially if you can use other drones, like Warrior II drones. But training this up only takes 20 hours.</ref></small><br>
 Drone Interfacing III<br>
 Drone Navigation III<br>
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-= Logistics =
+== Logistics ==
+Training for logistics is considerably more time-consuming than that of a regular damage dealer. Please remember that when you think the above mentioned skills for a damage dealer is a long train. The bare minimum to make the logistics ships work is '''Logistics IV''', there is practically no way to make these ships function with lower skills than that. The reason for that is because the skill heavily influences the cap usage of remote repair modules as well as capacitor transmitters.
+It takes almost three months to get good enough skills to fly a '''minimum''' [[Vanguard Incursion fits#Logistics|logistics fit]] and you should try to skill up and upgrade to the '''recommended''' fit as soon as possible. The repping power of meta four remote shield boosters are inferior to that of the tech two variant, so moving out of the minimum fit should be a high priority.
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 Cybernetics I<br>
 CPU Management IV<br>
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 Shield Management III<br>
 Hull Upgrades IV<small>&nbsp;<ref><strong>Hull Upgrades IV</strong> is required to fit the <strong>Damage Control II</strong> module. <strong>Scimitar</strong> pilots could initially skip this.</ref></small>
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 Signature Analysis V<small>&nbsp;<ref name="logistics">'''Signature Analysis V''' and '''Long Range Targeting V''' is a requirement for the '''Logistics''' skill.</ref></small><br>
 Long Range Targeting V<small>&nbsp;<ref name="logistics"></ref></small><br>
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 Capacitor Emission Systems IV<small>&nbsp;<ref><strong>Capacitor Emission Systems IV</strong> is only required if you fly a <strong>Basilisk</strong> with remote capacitor transfer modules, the <strong>Scimitar</strong> does not need this skill.</ref></small><br>
 Sensor Linking IV<small>&nbsp;<ref><strong>Sensor Linking</strong> is only required if you can fit and reduce the cap usage for the <strong>Remote Tracking Computer II</strong> module.</ref></small>
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 <racial> Frigate III<small>&nbsp;<ref><strong><racial> Frigate III</strong> is a starter skill,  but this is included in case you have to crosstrain out of your initial race.</ref></small><br>
 <racial> Destroyer III<br>
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 Warp Drive Operation III<br>
 Afterburner III
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 Drones V<br>
 Drone Durability I<small>&nbsp;<ref><strong>Drone Durability I</strong> is required to use shield maintenance drones.</ref></small><br>
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 | colspan=5 | ~ 81 days, 9 hours and 44 minutes worth of training in total
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+<small><references/></small>
+== Universal skills ==
+Apart from the critical skills listed above, there are a few skills that you should get as soon as possible. We rely on offgrid boosters and as such we need people with leadership skills to pass boosts down the fleet hierarchy. Being able to overheat can often save your ship when something bad happens. Basic navigation skills helps mitigate align times and capacitor consumption from propulsion modules or from initiating warp. Having the skills to use the microwarpdrive and cloak trick for safer travel is also handy and recommended.
+{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%; text-align:center; padding:1px;"
+! [[file:icon_fleet.png|32px|link=]] Wing Commander
+! [[file:icon_damage_therm.png|32px|link=]] Thermodynamics
+! [[file:Module icon microwarpdrive tech1.png|32px|link=]] Navigation
+! [[file:icon_cloak.png|32px|link=]] MWD + Cloak trick
+|- valign="top" style="background:#222222;"
+| ~ 6 days and 16 hours
+| ~ 2 days and 20 hours
+| ~ 9 days and 17 hours
+| ~ 1 day and 19 hours
+|- valign="top"
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+Leadership V<br>
+Wing Command III
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+{{co|grey|Power Grid Management IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>'''Power Grid Management IV''' is required to train the '''Thermodynamics''' but is already covered by the minimum skills already.</ref></small>}}<br>
+Science IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>'''Science IV''' is required to for the '''Thermodynamics''' skill.</ref></small><br>
+Thermodynamics III
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+Acceleration Control IV<small>&nbsp;<ref name="ab">Mostly for '''logistics'''-pilots, but generally applies to anyone who uses an '''afterburner'''.</ref></small><br>
+Afterburner IV<small>&nbsp;<ref name="ab"></ref></small><br>
+Evasive Maneuvering IV<br>
+Fuel Conservation IV<small>&nbsp;<ref name="ab"></ref></small><br>
+Navigation IV<br>
+Warp Drive Operation IV
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+High Speed Maneuvering III<br>
+Cloaking III
 |}
 <small><references/></small>