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[https://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=203472 Math for calculating full secondary effect of pirate implants] | |||
== Incorrect sum for High-Grade Rapture implant == | == Incorrect sum for High-Grade Rapture implant == | ||
The sum for the High-Grade Rapture implant set on the page seems completely wrong. | The sum for the High-Grade Rapture implant set on the page seems completely wrong. | ||
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Especially with a set which costs 10 billion to acquire, this can prompt players to waste huge amounts of money, since regular or casual players (non-power-gamers) have no chance to verify the effect strength before actually acquiring the full set, thereby many are influenced by the intel given here - especially since Pyfa is known to be wrong on many borderline cases and ingame doesn't offer any way to simulate implants or derive the formula of an implant sets module groups self-interaction without running tests first. | Especially with a set which costs 10 billion to acquire, this can prompt players to waste huge amounts of money, since regular or casual players (non-power-gamers) have no chance to verify the effect strength before actually acquiring the full set, thereby many are influenced by the intel given here - especially since Pyfa is known to be wrong on many borderline cases and ingame doesn't offer any way to simulate implants or derive the formula of an implant sets module groups self-interaction without running tests first. | ||
The value table should be corrected, since it has probably already caused more damage than most other articles here possibly could. -- [[User:Skeltek|Skeltek]] ([[User | The value table should be corrected, since it has probably already caused more damage than most other articles here possibly could. -- [[User:Skeltek|Skeltek]] ([[User talk:Skeltek|talk]]} 09:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
: Could you supply the calculation you have used and the numbers you have found, please? It would be helpful for those responding to your post. -- [[User:Evon R'al|Evon R'al]] ([[User talk:Evon R'al|talk]]) 10:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC) | : Could you supply the calculation you have used and the numbers you have found, please? It would be helpful for those responding to your post. -- [[User:Evon R'al|Evon R'al]] ([[User talk:Evon R'al|talk]]) 10:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC) | ||
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: Thanks for reacting to this. Sorry for late reply; I'm not really a eveuniversity power user. My calculation for the high grade set is essentially what UNDEADLY answered and as follows. We assume raw implant bonuses shown in game are not rounded and round the calculation at end to minimize power based oom error accumulation. | : Thanks for reacting to this. Sorry for late reply; I'm not really a eveuniversity power user. My calculation for the high grade set is essentially what UNDEADLY answered and as follows. We assume raw implant bonuses shown in game are not rounded and round the calculation at end to minimize power based oom error accumulation. | ||
: The total modifier m for the secondary effects is calculated m= 1.15^5 * 1.5 = 3.01703578125 with secondary effects alpha through gamma of alpha=1-m*0.01, beta=1-m*0.02, gamma=1-m*0.03, delta=1-m*0.04, epsilon=1-m*0.05, gamma=1-m*0.00=1. | : The total modifier m for the secondary effects is calculated m= 1.15^5 * 1.5 = 3.01703578125 with secondary effects alpha through gamma of alpha=1-m*0.01, beta=1-m*0.02, gamma=1-m*0.03, delta=1-m*0.04, epsilon=1-m*0.05, gamma=1-m*0.00=1. | ||
: alpha = 1- 0.0301703578125 = 0.9698296421875 | :: alpha = 1- 0.0301703578125 = 0.9698296421875 | ||
: beta = 1- 0.060340715625 = 0.939659284375 | :: beta = 1- 0.060340715625 = 0.939659284375 | ||
: gamma = 1- 0.0905110734375 = 0.9094889265625 | :: gamma = 1- 0.0905110734375 = 0.9094889265625 | ||
: delta = 1- 0.12068143125 = 0.87931856875 | :: delta = 1- 0.12068143125 = 0.87931856875 | ||
: epsilon = 1- 0.1508517890625 = 0.8491482109375 | :: epsilon = 1- 0.1508517890625 = 0.8491482109375 | ||
: gamma = 1-0 = 1 | :: gamma = 1-0 = 1 | ||
: total recharge time multiplier = alpha*beta*gamma*delta*epsiplon*gamma = 0.61886086792552306245615800849058 := 0.6189 | :: total recharge time multiplier = alpha*beta*gamma*delta*epsiplon*gamma = 0.61886086792552306245615800849058 := 0.6189 | ||
: -> recharge time reduction = 1-0.6189 = 0.3811 = 38.11% | : -> recharge time reduction = 1-0.6189 = 0.3811 = 38.11% | ||
: that equals charge/s modifier of 1/0.6189 = 1.6159 resulting in a 61.59% increase of cap/s gained. -- [[User:Skeltek|Skeltek]] ([[User | : that equals charge/s modifier of 1/0.6189 = 1.6159 resulting in a 61.59% increase of cap/s gained. | ||
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: Like UNDEADLI pointed out in the Reply Mail, the actual formula is a bit more complicated, but the calculation shows the difference between assuming the bonus to be a reduction of recharge time or an increase in charge gained -> the aproximately 62% cap/s increase is far(!) from the 115% cap/s increase, which the originally stated value on this wiki had implied. It may very well explain the insane price of nearly 10 billion which the implant set used to be sold for. -- [[User:Skeltek|Skeltek]] ([[User talk:Skeltek|talk]]} 18:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC) | |||