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:No, not a good idea.

:This is a wiki and not a regular website. So reason for not moving is: Wiki page titles should be singular, sentence case with a few exceptions. The Uni wiki is largely following wikipedia's MoS and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles#Article title format|Article title format]] section on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles|Article titles]] does apply. Why using singular, sentence case? the page title is also used to wiki link to a page. So the title must be usable mid sentence. Links are case sensitive with the ~~exemption~~ of the first char.

:This is a wiki and not a regular website. So reason for not moving is: Wiki page titles should be singular, sentence case with a few exceptions. The Uni wiki is largely following wikipedia's MoS and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles#Article title format|Article title format]] section on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles|Article titles]] does apply. Why using singular, sentence case? the page title is also used to wiki link to a page. So the title must be usable mid sentence. Links are case sensitive with the exception of the first char.

:Example: xxx is a [[homefront operation]]. coded as <code>xxx is a <nowiki>[[homefront operation]]</nowiki></code>

:For plural linking the wiki has the link end trick. Tacking chars to the closing ]] of a link lets them be part of the link description.

:Example: [[Homefront operation]]s are PvE. coded as <code><nowiki>[[Homefront operation]]s are PvE.</nowiki></code>

:([[UniWiki:Manual of Style]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Wikipedia:Manual of Style]]) -- [[User:Evon R'al|Evon R'all]] ([[User talk:Evon R'al|talk]]) 07:55, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

::What does this mean for pages like [[Missions]]? [[Wormholes]]? [[Incursions]]? [[Planetary Industry]]?

::--[[User:Boniface Vachon|Boniface Vachon]] ([[User talk:Boniface Vachon|talk]]) 14:33, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

::Reading a little more into the Manual of Style, doesn't this matter fall under the following from [[UniWiki:Manual of Style/Capital letters]] "The UniWiki relies on in-game information to determine what is a proper name; words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in-game are treated as proper names and capitalized on the UniWiki."

::Homefront Operations is capitalized in multiple locations in-game, the only time both words are not capitalized that I can find is in the summary on the Homefront Operations tab of the Opportunities window, ''where the word is changed'' "Homefront operational sites that require mixed professions [...]" Elsewhere in Opportunities and the Agency, it is capitalized.

::In defense of the existing pages I linked, this piece of content appears to me like it is treated the same way as the other fundamental content pillars by the game, proper names that have been capitalized as such in game and consequently on the wiki (prominently on the front page even). My move suggestion came from these precedents.

::--[[User:Boniface Vachon|Boniface Vachon]] ([[User talk:Boniface Vachon|talk]]) 23:15, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

:::The Uniwiki exists for quite a while now and has been edited by experienced and less experienced editors. That has led to the MoS not always being strictly adhered to. There even has been some renaming (moving) to plural in the past. It has been decided then to leave as is. The MoS is not law but a guideline, '''preferred''' to be used, but still a guideline.

:::As for using the in-game capitalization: analyze how you think the name will be mostly linked to. If you think that will be in sentence case, then keep the title in sentence case. Now keep in mind I am not a native English speaker, so my example might be wrong.

:::Example: That is a capital ship. Then the battleship title should be Capital ship. Remember, the first char is not case sensitive, so wiki links to "Capital ship" and "capital ship" both work. And when "capital ships" is needed the link-end trick can be applied (<nowiki>[[capital ship]]s</nowiki> gives [[capital ship]]s. Now this is a far from perfect example because capital ship is actually a redirect to capital ships so <nowiki>[[capital ships]]</nowiki> does also work.

:::For names of things like planets CCP's spelling and capitalization is followed. For more general terms sentence case should be used.

:::When the plural and singular form both exist it usually is left as is. But the reason for using singular whenever possible is because of the existence of the link-end trick, there is no need for a plural redirect then. There exist plurals which can not be done this way (e.g. university - universities) so those might require a plural redirect.

:::The guideline to use sentence case in page title is because of the use as wiki link so page titles should be whenever possible in the form they would be used in a sentence.

:::So unfortunately no hard rules. But definitely no need to rename from singular to plural. -- [[User:Evon R'al|Evon R'all]] ([[User talk:Evon R'al|talk]]) 10:30, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Okay --[[User:Boniface Vachon|Boniface Vachon]] ([[User talk:Boniface Vachon|talk]]) 12:59, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

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 :No, not a good idea.
-:This is a wiki and not a regular website. So reason for not moving is: Wiki page titles should be singular, sentence case with a few exceptions. The Uni wiki is largely following wikipedia's MoS and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles#Article title format|Article title format]] section on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles|Article titles]] does apply. Why using singular, sentence case? the page title is also used to wiki link to a page. So the title must be usable mid sentence. Links are case sensitive with the exemption of the first char.
+:This is a wiki and not a regular website. So reason for not moving is: Wiki page titles should be singular, sentence case with a few exceptions. The Uni wiki is largely following wikipedia's MoS and the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles#Article title format|Article title format]] section on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles|Article titles]] does apply. Why using singular, sentence case? the page title is also used to wiki link to a page. So the title must be usable mid sentence. Links are case sensitive with the exception of the first char.
 :Example: xxx is a [[homefront operation]]. coded as <code>xxx is a <nowiki>[[homefront operation]]</nowiki></code>
 :For plural linking the wiki has the link end trick. Tacking chars to the closing ]] of a link lets them be part of the link description.
 :Example: [[Homefront operation]]s are PvE. coded as <code><nowiki>[[Homefront operation]]s are PvE.</nowiki></code>
 :([[UniWiki:Manual of Style]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Wikipedia:Manual of Style]]) -- [[User:Evon R'al|Evon R'all]] ([[User talk:Evon R'al|talk]]) 07:55, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
+::What does this mean for pages like [[Missions]]? [[Wormholes]]? [[Incursions]]? [[Planetary Industry]]?
+::--[[User:Boniface Vachon|Boniface Vachon]] ([[User talk:Boniface Vachon|talk]]) 14:33, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
+::Reading a little more into the Manual of Style, doesn't this matter fall under the following from [[UniWiki:Manual of Style/Capital letters]] "The UniWiki relies on in-game information to determine what is a proper name; words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in-game are treated as proper names and capitalized on the UniWiki."
+::Homefront Operations is capitalized in multiple locations in-game, the only time both words are not capitalized that I can find is in the summary on the Homefront Operations tab of the Opportunities window, ''where the word is changed'' "Homefront operational sites that require mixed professions [...]" Elsewhere in Opportunities and the Agency, it is capitalized.
+::In defense of the existing pages I linked, this piece of content appears to me like it is treated the same way as the other fundamental content pillars by the game, proper names that have been capitalized as such in game and consequently on the wiki (prominently on the front page even). My move suggestion came from these precedents.
+::--[[User:Boniface Vachon|Boniface Vachon]] ([[User talk:Boniface Vachon|talk]]) 23:15, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
+:::The Uniwiki exists for quite a while now and has been edited by experienced and less experienced editors. That has led to the MoS not always being strictly adhered to. There even has been some renaming (moving) to plural in the past. It has been decided then to leave as is. The MoS is not law but a guideline, '''preferred''' to be used, but still a guideline.
+:::As for using the in-game capitalization: analyze how you think the name will be mostly linked to. If you think that will be in sentence case, then keep the title in sentence case. Now keep in mind I am not a native English speaker, so my example might be wrong.
+:::Example: That is a capital ship. Then the battleship title should be Capital ship. Remember, the first char is not case sensitive, so wiki links to "Capital ship" and "capital ship" both work. And when "capital ships" is needed the link-end trick can be applied (<nowiki>[[capital ship]]s</nowiki> gives [[capital ship]]s. Now this is a far from perfect example because capital ship is actually a redirect to capital ships so <nowiki>[[capital ships]]</nowiki> does also work.
+:::For names of things like planets CCP's spelling and capitalization is followed. For more general terms sentence case should be used.
+:::When the plural and singular form both exist it usually is left as is. But the reason for using singular whenever possible is because of the existence of the link-end trick, there is no need for a plural redirect then. There exist plurals which can not be done this way (e.g. university - universities) so those might require a plural redirect.
+:::The guideline to use sentence case in page title is because of the use as wiki link so page titles should be whenever possible in the form they would be used in a sentence.
+:::So unfortunately no hard rules. But definitely no need to rename from singular to plural. -- [[User:Evon R'al|Evon R'all]] ([[User talk:Evon R'al|talk]]) 10:30, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
+::::Okay --[[User:Boniface Vachon|Boniface Vachon]] ([[User talk:Boniface Vachon|talk]]) 12:59, 21 August 2025 (UTC)