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Before mining, it is best advised that players determine what is the most profitable way to mine.  This involves determining what asteroids to mine, where to find these asteroids, which ships (and skills) are best suited and optimized to mine and (in most cases) how best to haul the ore to a [[Refining|refining]] station and then to the market.  All miners should attempt to maximize their efficiency (and therefore their profitability) which is typically measured by the amount of m3 mined in a cycle of a mining laser.  For example Veldspar is the most common and cheapest ore in EVE and has a volume of .1m3, Scordite is the next most common ore but has a volume of .15m3.  Therefore, for every cycle, 3/2 more Veldspar is mined than Scordite.  To be more profitable Scordite's market price must be in turn 3/2 greater than Veldspar.  Since the market is player driven ore and mineral prices are ever changing, hence miners should always check the market for the most efficient ore/mineral to mine for.
Before mining, it is best advised that players determine what is the most profitable way to mine.  This involves determining what asteroids to mine, where to find these asteroids, which ships (and skills) are best suited and optimized to mine and (in most cases) how best to haul the ore to a [[Refining|refining]] station and then to the market.  All miners should attempt to maximize their efficiency (and therefore their profitability) which is typically measured by the amount of m3 mined in a cycle of a mining laser.  For example Veldspar is the most common and cheapest ore in EVE and has a volume of .1m3, Scordite is the next most common ore but has a volume of .15m3.  Therefore, for every cycle, 3/2 more Veldspar is mined than Scordite.  To be more profitable Scordite's market price must be in turn 3/2 greater than Veldspar.  Since the market is player driven ore and mineral prices are ever changing, hence miners should always check the market for the most efficient ore/mineral to mine for.


A good site that will help you determine the most profitable ores is [http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ Grismar's Ore Chart]. Look up the market prices of the minerals from your console, and input them in the top row. Hit Apply, and you'll see which ore will give you the most ISK per m3.
A good site that will help you determine the most profitable ores is [http://eve.grismar.net/ore/ Grismar's Ore Chart]. Look up the market prices of the minerals from your console, and input them in the top row. Hit Apply, and you'll see which ore will give you the most ISK per m3. There are a few sites that will do this for you - [http://gunfleet.org/igb/mining.php This IGB site] and [http://www.boxofmonocles.com/eve_ore this OGB site] are two examples. [[Determine which ore to mine for most profit|This page]] explains how to use the second site. Remember to doublecheck the prices that any automated tools give you - they will often use regional averages to determine mineral prices, and if you plan to sell your goods at a specific station or hub then your priorities might come out differently.


=== Asteroids ===
=== Asteroids ===
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== Mining ==
== Solo Mining ==
There are several methods commonly used in mining, the most basic only requires one account and can be run by very low skill players while the most advanced will require multiple players all performing separate tasks in order to be effective.
There are several methods commonly used in mining, the most basic only requires one account and can be run by very low skill players while the most advanced will require multiple players all performing separate tasks in order to be effective.


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=== Jet Can Mining ===
=== Jet Can Mining ===
Players can jettison items within their cargoholds into space, which results in a cargo container (more commonly called a jetcan or just a can) forming within 2,500m3 of the ship.  This jetcan holds up to 27,500m3 of space which miners take advantage of by transferring the ore in their cargoholds into the jetcan.  Typically a player will fill a jetcan with ore, and then swap to a ship with a larger cargohold (most often a industrial ship).  Its advantages are that you decrease your travel time significantly from the cargohold mining method.  Its disadvantages are that jetcans only have a life span of about an hour (longer if they are named).  Furthermore jetcans are not secure, meaning that anyone can open and move items held within a jetcan.  This is a common form of theft and griefing in the game where a player will "flip" a jetcan either to steal the ore or to induce a fight without concord intervention.  One possible way to combat this is to use secure containers which can be programmed with a password; unfortunately, the largest, the giant secure container (usually called a GSC) can only hold 3,900m3 of ore and thus is considerably less efficient than a jet can.   
Players can jettison items within their cargoholds into space, which results in a cargo container (more commonly called a jetcan or just a can) forming within 2,500m3 of the ship.  This jetcan holds up to 27,500m3 of space which miners take advantage of by transferring the ore in their cargoholds into the jetcan.  Typically a player will fill a jetcan with ore, and then swap to a ship with a larger cargohold (most often a industrial ship).  Its advantages are that you decrease your travel time significantly from the cargohold mining method.  Its disadvantages are that jetcans only have a life span of about an hour (longer if they are named).  Furthermore jetcans are not secure, meaning that anyone can open and move items held within a jetcan.  This is a common form of theft and griefing in the game where a player will "flip" a jetcan either to steal the ore or to induce a fight without concord intervention.  One possible way to combat this is to use secure containers which can be programmed with a password; unfortunately, the largest, the giant secure container (usually called a GSC) can only hold 3,900m3 of ore and thus is considerably less efficient than a jet can.   
=== Combo Jet Can Mining ===
The method is the same as with jetcan mining except that players will work in combo, meaning one member will solely mine while the other solely hauls.  This method is very efficient (it can be less profitable if you need to pay for the haul) and it is much harder.


=== GSC Mining ===
=== GSC Mining ===
The Giant Secure Container method of mining lets you solo mine into secure containers that have been anchored and password protected.  You can then pick up or have a friend pick up the ore later on.  You will need The following:
The Giant Secure Container method of mining lets you solo mine into secure containers that have been anchored and password protected.  You can then pick up or have a friend pick up the ore later on.  You will need the following:
1. Skill Book: Anchoring under corporate category - trained to level one.
*Skill Book: Anchoring under corporate category - trained to level one.
2. Secure Containers: Giant Secure container is preferred
*Secure Containers: Giant Secure container is preferred
 
*A system with a sec status of 0.7 or below.
Step 1.  Take a Hauler and the secure containers to where you want to mine.  Deploy the container about 3000 meters away from any object.
Step 2. '''Important''' Right click the GSC and anchor it and set the password. If you don't do this step your container can be looted and/or will disappear during the next down time.
Step 3. Mine securely and pick up later.  These containers will disapear after 30 days if not used.
Step 6. There is no step 6.


=== GSC's AKA EVE's TARDIS ===
# Take a Hauler and the secure containers to where you want to mine.  Deploy the container about 5000 meters away from any object.
Something that often gets completely missed by rookies is that a Giant Secure Container is larger on the inside than it is on the outside. It is 3000m3 on the outside but 3900m3 internal storage capacity. Now if you are using mining barges, chances are you can fit one of these in your cargohold without too much hassle and with room to spare for a cycle of your strip miner, all you need to do is drag and drop into the container that '''should remain in your hold'''. This can also be done with industrial ships, a badger with 2x cargo expanders in fitted in low slots can have 2x GSC's in cargo hold, and that's before fitting rigs.
# '''Important''' Right click the GSC, anchor it and then set the password. If you don't do this step your container can be looted and/or will disappear during the next down time.
# Mine securely and pick up later.  These containers will disappear after 30 days if not used.


To top it all off, when you finally reach the helm of a Hulk, you can fit 4x GSC in your cargohold (provided you have rigs + cargo optimization modules) with PLENTY of room to spare, thus increasing your hold capacity by 3600m3. May not seem like all that much, but every little helps!
Something that often gets completely missed by rookies is that a Giant Secure Container is larger on the inside than it is on the outside - by 900m3. They are often used in industrial ships to give a bit of a bonus to cargo capacity, although the transported items need to be easily splittable to take full advantage. Ore and/or minerals fit these criteria nicely.


=== Dual Account Mining ===
=== Dual Account Mining ===
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See the [[Creating an Alt Hauler]] guide for information on creating a hauler alt quickly and easily. Alternatively, see [[Creating an Alt Miner]] for information on how to create an alt to fly the best mining ship in the game quickly and easily.
See the [[Creating an Alt Hauler]] guide for information on creating a hauler alt quickly and easily. Alternatively, see [[Creating an Alt Miner]] for information on how to create an alt to fly the best mining ship in the game quickly and easily.


== Mining Operations ==
== Cooperative Mining ==
Of the professions in Eve, mining and production are most impacted by the player’s efficiency. For miners, it’s all about mining. Time spent hauling, killing rats, moving cans or dealing with ore thieves, can flippers and other flavors of griefers is time not spent making little rocks out of big ‘roids. Anything that can be done to eliminate or minimize the impact of all of those other factors means more little rocks in the hold, which means a fatter wallet.


A Mining Fleet is just what it sounds like, a fleet for mining, and although initially a solitary activity there can be great benefit in mining as part of a fleet.
A properly designed and staffed co-operative mining op allows miners to spend their time doing what they do best: mining. It also allows the miners to benefit from mining yield bonuses available only to members of a group. These bonuses can add an additional 10% or more to a miner’s yield. If the miners are mining, then someone has to haul the little rocks to the station. If the op is in lower sec regions, something other than drones may be needed to protect the miners from rats, not to mention thieves and assorted other scoundrels. Those protection activities will result in a second “mining” operation as the wrecks are looted and salvaged for the benefit of the op participants.


Our theoretical op has miners, haulers, damage dealers and salvagers; a fairly broad slice of the possible professions in Eve! Mining ops are generally more relaxed than combat fleet ops, co-operative mission running or complex clearing. Chat and/or teamspeak deal with a wider variety of topics and separating the required tasks to specialists provides everyone time to participate in the conversations. Not only does this atmosphere provide a social element of connection with the other members, it lets the ‘teaching’ move beyond mining to cover a myriad of subjects.
===Mining Booster Fleets (BYOC)===
The simplest Mining Fleet would be the equivalent of a [[Mission_Fleet_(Spider)|Spider]] for Missions, in that each Miner does his/her own thing while being supplied a fleet booster which will increase everyone's yield (boosters only work within the same system). These fleets are generally a join and leave as you want situation with no extra services provided. To be nice it is generally suggested you avoid mining the same target another Fleet member is working on.  You may ask them about it and if they decide to give it up they will probably let you have it to yourself. There is usually no central belt for everyone to be working on at once, but it can be a majestic sight to see a fleet of barges/exhumers emptying a belt efficiently.
The simplest Mining Fleet would be the equivalent of a [[Mission_Fleet_(Spider)|Spider]] for Missions, in that each Miner does his/her own thing while being supplied a fleet booster which will increase everyone's yield (boosters only work within the same system). These fleets are generally a join and leave as you want situation with no extra services provided. To be nice it is generally suggested you avoid mining the same target another Fleet member is working on.  You may ask them about it and if they decide to give it up they will probably let you have it to yourself. There is usually no central belt for everyone to be working on at once, but it can be a majestic sight to see a fleet of barges/exhumers emptying a belt efficiently.


The next type of Fleet is more structured. A standard mining fleet in high security space generally includes a mix of mining barges, exhumers, and haulers (industrials). The miners will work on a belt constantly and jet can what they obtain. The haulers will ferry the resources from space to a station. This makes for increased proficiency as the mining lasers never need to stop, unless you need to switch belts. Fleet boosters are usually present here as well.  
=== Combo Jet Can Mining ===
The method is the same as with jetcan mining except that players will work in combo, meaning one member will solely mine while the other solely hauls.  This method is very efficient (it can be less profitable if you need to pay for the haul) and it is much harder.
 
=== Mining Fleets ===
The next type of Fleet is more structured. A standard mining fleet in high security space generally includes a mix of mining barges, exhumers, and haulers (industrials). The miners will work on a belt constantly and jet can what they obtain. The haulers will ferry the resources from space to a station. This makes for increased proficiency as the mining lasers never need to stop, unless you need to switch belts. Fleet boosters are usually present here as well, and an Orca may be used instead of a jetcan.


When completing a mining operation, you should consider posting your results here: [[Past_mining_fleet_results|Past Mining Fleet Results]]
When completing a mining operation, you should consider posting your results here: [[Past_mining_fleet_results|Past Mining Fleet Results]]


For more detailed information on Mining Operations see: [[Cooperative_Mining_Guide|Cooperative Mining Guide]]
Periodically, the Uni will undertake a large scale, long duration operation in a system other than Aldrat. These Expeditions are planned and announced several weeks in advance to allow for adjustment of training schedules, acquisition of desired ships and fittings and research/scouting of the target system and surrounding space. Because of the travel involved and the length of planned stay, Expedition locations generally provide opportunities for mission/complex running as well.
 
The Expedition Boss for a particular expedition will publish the rules for that expedition, including record keeping requirements for any Common Can portions, rules for interaction with locals and what happens to the ore mined.
 
Such fleets are often run to donate minerals to the University, with the added bonus of attempting to break the record for the previous donation fleet.
 
For more detailed information on Mining Operations see: [[Participating in a Mining Op]] and [[Running a Mining Op]].


=== How To Split The ISK ===
=== How To Split The ISK ===
If you are running an op with multiple miners, chances are there are a whole host of different mining ships, each with its different yields based on the mining lasers, the mining crystals in them, ship bonuses, character skills, etc. Moreover, you will also probably have a hauler and even someone providing mining efficiency bonuses. The simplest way to split the ISK return from an op is to clock in the times a player mined for, and then distribute the ISK in proportion to time mined. This is the preferred method for the Uni, since it deliberately favours newer miners who need the ISK more and can use it to upgrade their ships.


If you are running an op with multiple miners, chances are there are a whole host of different mining ships, each with its different yields based on the mining lasers, the mining crystals in them, ship bonuses, character skills, etc. Moreover, you will also probably have a hauler and even someone providing mining efficiency bonuses. The simplest way to split the ISK return from an op is to clock in the times a player mined for, and then distribute the ISK in proportion to time mined.
However you do it, the most important thing is to make sure the method of splitting the ISK is agreed upon before the mining op starts.
 
However you do it, the most important thing is to make sure the method of splitting the isk is agreed upon before the mining op starts.


=== Frequent Mining Op Commanders ===
=== Frequent Mining Op Commanders ===