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This is the simplest scam around where one simply asks for isk in popular channels (trade hub local, rookie help, NPC corp chat, etc.) They'll always have a story about how they lost their ship or they got scammed themselves or any of 1000 reasons why they want something for nothing.

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ISK doubling

This shares similarities to begging in the sense that both take place in highly dense channels. With ISK doubling a player is offering to send back twice the ISK that you send them. This is *always* a scam in the long run. The scammer will pay back small amounts in order to 'drum up sales' and get people talking, but as soon as they gain a large amount, they'll simply stop sending money back.

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Can flipping

Also called ninja'ing, this is where someone enters your mission space or ratting belt and outright steals your loot. This can get complicated, because sometimes people will be prepared for exactly this and have a point on their mission running ship in anticipation of a ninja looter. On the reverse of that is sometimes someone will steal your loot in the hopes that you do in fact shoot them while they have allies waiting to come in and destroy your ship.

The best approach to take is to simply allow your goods to be stolen. Better to lose a bit of loot than a mission ship.

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Sale of intangibles (wormholes, systems, bookmarks, etc.)

This is the epic tale of selling someone the Golden Gate bridge. Quite simply it's selling something that either has no worth, is not verifiable, or simply does not belong to them. For example selling a bookmark to a wormhole with any kind of assurance of what is or is not in there (in terms of sites to run as well as presence of a hostile corporation inside).

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Trade Window

This scam is purely a timing thing. This typically happens when you're selling something. Someone offers you a great price and asks you to trade it via the trade window instead of using a private contract. The scammer will enter the amount of isk in the window, and as soon as you drop the item, they'll 0-out the amount of money and quickly accept the trade. (They have to pull this scam in between the time you drop your item in the trade window and when you hit accept. To avoid this scam: never use the trade window when dealing with someone you don't completely trust. (Contract fees are nothing compared to losing an expensive item).

This scam is purely a timing thing. This typically happens when you're selling something. Someone offers you a great price and asks you to trade it via the trade window instead of using a private contract. The scammer will enter the amount of isk in the window, and as soon as you drop the item, they'll 0-out the amount of money and quickly accept the trade. (They have to pull this scam in between the time you drop your item in the trade window and when you hit accept.

To avoid this scam: never use the trade window when dealing with someone you don't completely trust. (Contract fees are nothing compared to losing an expensive item).

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Ambush sale (great sell price but in low/null sec)

In this scam an item is available in the market or contract for a great deal cheaper than the average. The catch is that you'll either have to

In this scam an item is available in the market or contract for a great deal cheaper than the average. The catch is that you'll either have to lowsec or null sec in order to collect the item.

To avoid this scam, always check the route that will get you to an item. (Checking the sec status of the system is not fool-proof as some highsec systems require traversal of low or null sec)

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Sell contracts for 2x item

In this scam, a contract appears to be a typical WTB contract (possibly offering a slightly above average price) but in fact the contract is asking for 2 of the item and not 1. It can be an easy scam to fall for in cases where you have the 2 items and are not carefully reading the contract.

Always take time to verify what a contract is asking for, and if you want a failsafe: only ever keep a single copy of an expensive mod on hand when accepting WTB contracts.

~~Buy/sell contracts for 2x item ~~

Courier contracts (into null, through lowsec to highsec pocket, and impossible couriers based on docking rights)

Fittings without ship

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 This is the simplest scam around where one simply asks for isk in popular channels (trade hub local, rookie help, NPC corp chat, etc.) They'll always have a story about how they lost their ship or they got scammed themselves or any of 1000 reasons why they want something for nothing.<br>
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 ISK doubling<br>
 This shares similarities to begging in the sense that both take place in highly dense channels. With ISK doubling a player is offering to send back twice the ISK that you send them. This is *always* a scam in the long run. The scammer will pay back small amounts in order to 'drum up sales' and get people talking, but as soon as they gain a large amount, they'll simply stop sending money back.<br>
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 Can flipping<br>
 Also called ninja'ing, this is where someone enters your mission space or ratting belt and outright steals your loot. This can get complicated, because sometimes people will be prepared for exactly this and have a point on their mission running ship in anticipation of a ninja looter. On the reverse of that is sometimes someone will steal your loot in the hopes that you do in fact shoot them while they have allies waiting to come in and destroy your ship.<br>
+The best approach to take is to simply allow your goods to be stolen. Better to lose a bit of loot than a mission ship.
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 Sale of intangibles (wormholes, systems, bookmarks, etc.)<br>
 This is the epic tale of selling someone the Golden Gate bridge. Quite simply it's selling something that either has no worth, is not verifiable, or simply does not belong to them. For example selling a bookmark to a wormhole with any kind of assurance of what is or is not in there (in terms of sites to run as well as presence of a hostile corporation inside).
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 Trade Window<br>
-This scam is purely a timing thing. This typically happens when you're selling something. Someone offers you a great price and asks you to trade it via the trade window instead of using a private contract. The scammer will enter the amount of isk in the window, and as soon as you drop the item, they'll 0-out the amount of money and quickly accept the trade. (They have to pull this scam in between the time you drop your item in the trade window and when you hit accept. To avoid this scam: never use the trade window when dealing with someone you don't completely trust. (Contract fees are nothing compared to losing an expensive item).
+This scam is purely a timing thing. This typically happens when you're selling something. Someone offers you a great price and asks you to trade it via the trade window instead of using a private contract. The scammer will enter the amount of isk in the window, and as soon as you drop the item, they'll 0-out the amount of money and quickly accept the trade. (They have to pull this scam in between the time you drop your item in the trade window and when you hit accept.<br>
+To avoid this scam: never use the trade window when dealing with someone you don't completely trust. (Contract fees are nothing compared to losing an expensive item).
 ====Contract====
 Ambush sale (great sell price but in low/null sec)<br>
-In this scam an item is available in the market or contract for a great deal cheaper than the average. The catch is that you'll either have to
+In this scam an item is available in the market or contract for a great deal cheaper than the average. The catch is that you'll either have to lowsec or null sec in order to collect the item.<br>
+To avoid this scam, always check the route that will get you to an item. (Checking the sec status of the system is not fool-proof as some highsec systems require traversal of low or null sec)
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+Sell contracts for 2x item<br>
+In this scam, a contract appears to be a typical WTB contract (possibly offering a slightly above average price) but in fact the contract is asking for 2 of the item and not 1. It can be an easy scam to fall for in cases where you have the 2 items and are not carefully reading the contract.<br>
+Always take time to verify what a contract is asking for, and if you want a failsafe: only ever keep a single copy of an expensive mod on hand when accepting WTB contracts.
-Buy/sell contracts for 2x item<br>
 Courier contracts (into null, through lowsec to highsec pocket, and impossible couriers based on docking rights)<br>
 Fittings without ship<br>