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| Apart from the need of more tank and snipers, there are other differences. For one, there are fewer ships capable of webbing you, but on the other hand there are more ships capable of target painting and neuting you. While there are more and stronger logistics ships in Headquarter sites, the added numbers of ships in your own fleet will ironically make it less important for you to remove them. | | Apart from the need of more tank and snipers, there are other differences. For one, there are fewer ships capable of webbing you, but on the other hand there are more ships capable of target painting and neuting you. While there are more and stronger logistics ships in Headquarter sites, the added numbers of ships in your own fleet will ironically make it less important for you to remove them. |
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| = Minimum fits = | | = Minimum fits = |
| These fits are minimum fits, able to contribute to fleet efficiency with decent damage projection, utility modules and drones. | | These fits are minimum fits, able to contribute to fleet efficiency with decent damage projection, utility modules and drones. |
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| {{example|The navy battleships are nowhere near as good as the pirate faction battleships and you might be better off saving your ISK until you have enough to get a proper pirate faction battleship instead.}} | | {{example|The navy battleships are nowhere near as good as the pirate faction battleships and you might be better off saving your ISK until you have enough to get a proper pirate faction battleship instead.}} |
| === Apocalypse Navy Issue === | | === Apocalypse Navy Issue === |
| This ship has too many issues to be suitable for headquarter sites, mostly due to the fact it has the slot layout of a predominately armour-tanked ship and the innate capacitor issues of laser ships. While it is possible to compensate for this in [[Vanguard_Incursion_fits#Apocalypse_Navy_Issue|vanguard]] and [[Assault_Incursion_fits#Apocalypse_Navy_Issue|assault fits]], you end up compromising too much for headquarter sites (or forced to use a completely different set of rigs). | | This ship has too many issues to be suitable for headquarter sites, mostly due to the fact it has the slot layout of a predominately armour-tanked ship and the innate capacitor issues of laser ships. While it is possible to compensate for this in [[Vanguard_Incursion_fits#Apocalypse_Navy_Issue|vanguard]] and [[Assault_Incursion_fits#Apocalypse_Navy_Issue|assault fits]], you end up compromising too much for headquarter sites (or forced to use a completely different set of rigs). As such '''we do not recommend''' that people fly this ship for these type of sites. If you want to fly it, check with the fleet commander if he'll make an exception, but don't be surprised if he doesn't. |
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| As such we do not recommend that people fly this ship for these type of sites. If you want to fly it, check with the fleet commander if he'll make an exception, but don't be surprised if he doesn't. | | There are many ways to improve past the minimum fits and tech one ships. See [[Ship progression in Incursions|ship progression in incursions]] and [[fitting principles]] for more information. |
| === Megathron Navy Issue === | | == Pirate faction battleships == |
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| | The [[Machariel]], [[Nightmare]] and [[Vindicator]] hulls are preferred for incursions due to a combination of higher base stats, better bonuses and better slot layouts. There will be no recommended fits for these ships however, for several reasons but mainly the following two: |
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| = Advanced ships and fits =
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| The following ships are preferred for incursions due to a combination of higher base stats, better bonuses and better slot layouts. There will be no recommended fits for these ships however, for several reasons but mainly the following two:
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| * They can be fitted in a million and one different ways and each fit has its strengths and weaknesses. | | * They can be fitted in a million and one different ways and each fit has its strengths and weaknesses. |
| * We do not want to indirectly encourage people to fly these ships until they have a good understanding of how to fit for incursions and how to capitalize on the strengths of various ships. By the time you are ready to fly them, you will already know enough to figure out how to fit them properly. | | * We do not want to indirectly encourage people to fly these ships until they have a good understanding of how to fit for incursions and how to capitalize on the strengths of various ships. By the time you are ready to fly them, you will already know enough to figure out how to fit them properly. |
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| | | == Command Ships and Strategic Cruisers == |
| == Pirate Faction Battleships == | | Cruiser-sized hulls like '''Command Ships''' and '''Strategic Cruisers''' can often compensate their relatively less powerful medium weaponry by using long range weapons, since the loss of pure tracking is often offset by the lower signature of medium weapons. While they can never rival the power of the pirate faction battleships, they can be good enough for our community and very useful for [[Nation Consolidation Network]] assault sites. There will be no recommended fits for these ships either, for much the same reasons as above: |
| These ships are good ships all around, regardless of which type of site you do. Their slot layout is good, plenty of midslots, their ship bonuses are often purely offensive, making them ideal for incursions where tanking bonuses are highly overrated.
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| | * We do not want to indirectly encourage people to fly these ships until they have a good understanding of how to fit for incursions and how to capitalize on the strengths of various ships. By the time you are ready to fly them, you will already know enough to figure out how to fit them properly. |
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| Being cruiser hulls some strategic cruisers suffer from the same ailments as other ships with medium weaponry, but the '''Legion''' and the '''Loki''' stand out. The '''Tengu''' does surprisingly well, especially when railgun-fit.
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| There are many ways to use faction and deadspace modules to vastly improve the efficiency of your incursion ship. Some of these modules are cheap and might not be too much of a concern, but others are worth quite a bit of ISK and a second thought is warranted if you consider getting them. The cost of improving your efficiency rises exponentially as well, so while the first round of upgrades might be very cost-efficient, taking it one step further will quickly put you in a position where you're literally throwing ISK away for minor improvements.
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