Support skills

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Support skills are those skills which affect how well you can fit and fly ships, without necessarily being directly required to use modules or sit in ships. For example, you don't need to train Controlled Bursts, Energy Management and Energy Systems Operation to put large lasers on an Amarr battleship -- but if you do so without training them you will find you swiftly run out of capacitor.

'Good Support Skills'

The need for 'good support skills' is often emphasised in discussions within the Uni, and in EvE generally, because a skilled character can double the damage and defense of an unskilled one flying exactly the same ship.

This can seem counterintuitive, since while in many other MMORPGs most of the value of expensive equipment is in the power of its inherent bonuses, in Eve most of the value of expensive equipment is in its potential power in the hands of a character with enough skill training to get the best out of it.

Tech 1 frigates and cruisers are much more forgiving, and can actually have a bigger impact than more expensive ships if you don't have many skillpoints (as anyone who's been jammed by a two-week old character in a Griffin can testify).

Since new pilots are often told they need 'good support skills' to fly such-and-such an expensive ship without being told exactly what those skills are, this page attempts to suggest what training qualifies as 'good' in different circumstances. (Wish us luck!) This page also lists some particular categories of support skills for ease of reference, and contains links to other lists of support skills on this wiki.

Expectations

As a rule of thumb, any skill which you use regularly deserves to be trained to level IV in the short/medium term. Training some skills to level V can take a very long time and you can often leave them as long-term goals or only train them when they're required as prerequisites (for T2 ships, for example). However, some key skills with low training time multipliers give you such significant benefits that they're well worth training all the way to V -- Drones, Energy Systems Operation and Navigation are three examples.

When someone says they have 'good' skills in a certain category they most commonly mean that they have most if not all of those skills trained to IV or V.

PvE vs. PvP

Before looking at specific ship classes it's worth noting that PvE combat usually requires lower support skills than PvP.

PvE combat emphasises your knowledge of missions, and your ability to tank incoming DPS for long periods. While doing more damage will help you do missions faster (getting more ISK every hour), you can get by with sub-par damage-dealing skills. In PvP combat you want to have the best tank possible (usually, unless you're solo or in a very small gang, a buffer tank or a spider tank) and deal good damage for your ship's size.

This is not to say you shouldn't consider which supports you need for PvE, but it does mean that even if you do L4 missions quite effectively in a battleship, you may not have optimal support skills for PvP battleship combat.

Most of the advice below is directed primarily at PvP.

Battlecruisers

A battlecruiser is a nice step up from a cruiser in firepower and tank. In fact, it's the first hull you're likely to get into where fitting a tank has real meaning. The cost of the fitted ship is also a lot lower than a battleship (1/3 to 1/4 the price), and you don't have to have large guns trained. All of this means you don't need to be overly timid about moving up from a cruiser.

Support skills you'll want to work towards are:

  • being able to fit a T2 armor or shield tank
  • good enough fitting skills to fill all the turret or launcher slots
  • a full flight of drones (Drones V) -- battlecruisers have drone bays, and these are your anti-frigate defence
  • and (in the long run) T2 medium weapons.

If you have medium gun/missile skills to IV, and can fit a T2 tank, don't hesitate to step into a battlecruiser.

This is also the first hull you'll encounter that is usually rigged. You can use rigs without having the rigging skills trained, but you'll need someone to install the rigs for you, which is a pain -- so you may want to train rigging skills for whatever kinds of rig you're fitting.

You must be able to fit a T2 tank to fly a battlecruiser when the standard wartime rules are in force.

Battleships

Battleships are potentially very powerful ships, but without good supports they're slow, expensive coffins. It's good to have the following (some of which you will hopefully have trained while flying battlecruisers):

  • a full T2 shield or armor tank
  • sufficient fitting skills to fit that tank, and a propulsion module, and fill the turret/launcher hardpoints for your primary weapon
  • full flights of T2 light and medium drones
    • or, if your battleship is one of the few with 125Mbit/sec drone bandwidth, T2 light and medium drones and at least T1 heavy or sentry drones
  • at least a few levels in relevant rigging skills so you can fit your own rigs.

T2 guns on battleships are great, but the training time for T2 turrets is on the order of 70 days, from basic T1 large gun skills -- making them a long-term goal. T2 missiles take less time to train but still aren't exactly one weekend's training. Most pilots initially invest in high meta-level Tech 1 weapons, though the cost of Meta 4 large lasers and the attraction of Scorch crystals may encourage Amarr BS pilots to head for T2 guns earlier than others.

You must be able to fit a T2 tank to fly a battleship when the standard wartime rules are in force.

T2 Frigates

T2 frigates are specialised for a wide range of different tasks, and the so optimal skillset varies widely. As an extreme example, you can fly a covops ship without putting a covops cloak on it, but you'll be missing the point completely!

However, all T2 frigates benefit greatly from most of the skills in the Navigation category, because as frigates they usually rely on speed and agilty for part of their tank against larger enemies. You should also definitely aim to fit T2 modules for at least the key functions of your ship -- interceptors deserve T2 MWD skills and T2 tackling modules, assault ships deserve T2 weapons and tanks, and so on. And a full T2 fit is a good goal.

T2 Cruisers

In general, at this level you should be able to fully T2 fit your ship. T2 cruisers are small, fast, and powerful, but tend to have limited CPU and/or powergrid, and limited capacitor as well. In practice, you'll really want excellent fitting skills including Weapon Upgrades V and Advanced Weapon Upgrades III or IV, or you'll be very frustrated when you try to fit guns. You'll want your cap skills to be nearly maxed-out before flying one of these, too.

As with T2 frigates, you will want other supports which will vary depending on your ship's specialization -- a Falcon deserves ewar supports that don't help a Vagabond at all.

Skills

Note that there is some overlap between these lists.

Capacitor

Ignoring skills relevant only to capital ships, there are seventeen skills which can help your capacitor. You don't necessarily have to train all of these, since some of them only apply to very specific sets of modules (Sensor Linking, for example, won't help you if you never use sensor dampeners or remote sensor boosters). But some of these skills are vital for every pilot, and many of the rest are quite important.

  • Energy Management: 5% bonus to total cap (vital for everyone)
  • Energy Systems Operation: 5% cap recharge reduction (also vital for everyone)
  • Warp Drive Operation: 10% reduction in capacitor use when initiating warp (vital for everyone)
  • Controlled Bursts: 5% reduced cap use for hybrid and energy turrets (important for hybrid/laser users, no use for projectile/missile users)
  • Fuel Conservation: 10% reduced cap for afterburners (hefty bonus, together with the duration increase from the Afterburner skill itself, makes it very easy to permarun an AB at level IV or V)
  • High Speed Maneuvering: 5% reduced cap for microwarpdrives (very useful)
  • Propulsion Jamming: 5% Reduction to warp scrambler/disruptor and stasis web capacitor need (affects disruptors even though they're not mentioned in its description)
  • Electronic Warfare: 5% less cap for ECM jammers and ECM bursts (Caldari ewar)
  • Energy Emission Systems: 5% reduced cap for energy emission weapons (energy neutralizers and nosferatus)
  • Jump Drive Operation: 5% reduction of the capacitor need of initiating a jump (not useful for sub-capital ships without jump drives)
  • Remote Armor Repair Systems: 5% reduced capacitor need for remote armor repair modules (vital if you ever do armor RR work)
  • Remote Hull Repair Systems: 5% reduced capacitor need for remote hull repair system modules (not so vital; RR hull tanking isn't very good)
  • Sensor Linking: 5% less capacitor need for remote sensor boosters and sensor dampeners (Gallente ewar)
  • Shield Compensation: 2% less capacitor need for shield boosters (though in the long run it's good to train for both kinds of tanking, if you only use buffer tanks when you shield tank, this may not be useful for you)
  • Shield Emission Systems: 5% reduced capacitor need for shield emission modules (important if you ever find yourself in a shield logistics ship)
  • Target Painting: 5% less capacitor need for target painters (Minmatar ewar)
  • Weapon Disruption: 5% less capacitor need for tracking disruptors (Amarr ewar)

Fitting

These all either reduce the CPU or powergrid requirements of modules, or just give you more raw CPU or powergrid to play with. Having decent fitting skills is very useful. T2 modules, which have higher CPU and grid demands, and T2 ships, which tend to have quite tight amounts of CPU and grid in the first place, really demand good fitting skills.

Mobility

There are relatively few skills that directly help you become nimbler and faster, compared to the variety of fitting and capacitor skills available. Those that are available, however, are very helpful for any ship (and extremely helpful to small ships).

Since your ability to move around often depends on keeping your propulsion module running, capacitor skills are indirectly very important for mobility too.

  • Acceleration Control: 5% bonus to the speed increase from afterburners and MWDs per level
  • Evasive Maneuvering: 5% bonus to agility per level -- a very significant bonus
  • Spaceship Command: 2% bonus to agility per level -- not as impressive as Evasive, but more quickly trained, and a prerequisite for various ships too
  • Navigation: 5% faster sub-warp speed per level -- a very nice bonus and a skill that's quickly trained

Tanking

The Full T2 Tank page linked previously is a good one-stop summary of the required skills for fitting a T2 armor or shield tank.

In the long run many characters wind up training for both kinds of tanking, even if they only fly one race's ships, partly because many tanking skills will increase your EHP (5% more shields is a smidgen more survival time even if you're armor-tanking) and partly because every race has some ships which can be tanked both ways.

As with mobility, if you mount an active tank (usually for PvE or for solo/very small gang PvP) then your capacitor skills will be key to your tank.

There are three skills which boost raw hitpoint totals:

  • Mechanic: 5% more hull hitpoints per level; quickly trained (great for everyone, especially great for the Gallente who usually have large amounts of hull hitpoints to begin with)
  • Hull Upgrades: 5% more armor hp per level (despite having 'Hull' in its name); levels IV and V open up some key T2 armor-tanking modules; takes twice as long as Mechanic to train
  • Shield Management: 5% more shield hp per level; takes three times as long as Mechanic to train, which makes level V more of a medium-long term goal

Besides these three, there are a number of other significant skills for armor tanking:

  • Repair Systems: 5% less cycle time on armor repairers per level; high levels open up T2 armor repairers (note that this skill will increase an active armor tank's load on your capacitor!)
  • The four 'X armor compensation' skills: EM, Explosive, Kinetic and Thermal.
    • Each of these increases the armor resistance bonuses of passive armor hardeners by 5% per level. Their bonuses to active armor hardeners only apply when the active armor hardeners are turned off, and are therefore irrelevant.
    • Since there is no omni-resist active armor hardener module (an armor equivalent to the I-Field), the passive omni-resist platings (Adaptive and Energized Adaptive) see a lot of use in armor buffer and armor RR fits, and these benefit from the armor compensation skills.
    • So it's a good idea to get these to III fairly quickly, and perhaps to IV in the long term, if you ever have reasons to fit resistance plating.

And there are a number of other significant skills for shield tanking:

  • Shield Operation: 5% faster shield recharge rate per level; quick to train, good for everyone, vital if you ever plan to mount a passive shield tank
  • Tactical Shield Manipulation: When your shields drop below 25%, damage begins to 'leak' through into your armor; each level in this skill lets your shields drop 5% lower before this begins to happen, to 0% at level V so that damage never leaks through
    • Tactical Shield Manipulation's usefulness is disputed, but level IV is required to use the very useful T2 active shield hardeners, so most people train it to IV and then forget about it
  • Like the armor compensation skills, there are four 'X shield compensation' skills (not to be confused with Shield Compensation per se!): EM, Explosive, Kinetic and Thermal.
    • Like the armor compensation skills these grant a 5% bonus to the resistance increase to one damage type that you get from passive shield hardeners per level; as with the armor compensation skills the bonuses they give to active shield hardeners only apply when the active hardeners are turned off and are therefore irrelevant
    • However, unlike armor tankers, shield tankers have the option of an active omni-resist module, the I-Field, and so passive shield hardeners are very rarely used
    • Consequently you can probably get away with ignoring these or only training a few levels in each one

Rigging

Most (but not all) rigs come with a drawback (a 10% penalty to something) as well as a benefit. Each subset of rigs has an associated skill which lets you fit them, and that skill itself reduces the drawback effect of those rigs by 10%. You can use a ship which has rigs on it which you don't have the skills to fit -- you have to get someone else (someone that you trust) to rig the ship for you beforehand, and you'll get the full, unreduced drawback.

In practice getting other people to rig your ships for you is a pain, since you can't always be sure someone will always be (a) free, (b) willing and (c) near where you are. Furthermore, when you start flying battleships and specialized T2 ships you'll find the pool of people who have the skills to pilot the ship you want to rig (you need to get into the ship to open the fitting screen and fit the rigs) gets much smaller.

It is therefore a good idea to train a few levels in the fitting skills required for any rigs you plan to use at all regularly. You'll need Jury Rigging level III as a prerequisite for other rigging skills, though it appears to give you no other real benefits.

Training specific rigging skills to high levels may not be a very efficient use of your time: the amelioration of the drawbacks doesn't hurt, but it's a very minor reduction in what is usually a minor penalty in the first place. You need the relevant rigging skill at IV to fit T2 rigs, but T2 rigs are mostly -- at the time of writing -- so hilariously expensive that only the rich and/or foolish fit them.

Overheating

In a sense, Thermodynamics is the ultimate PvP support skill: it lets you overheat modules beyond their design specs, at the risk of temporarily burning them out. You need at least one level in Thermodynamics to overheat modules; getting this skill to level 4 doesn't take long and is well worth it, as each level reduces the damage your modules take from overheating. The prerequisites for Thermodynamics were reduced in the Dominion expansion.

There's a more detailed guide to overheating's mechanics here.

See Also

There are a number of other useful lists of support skills on this wiki:

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