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Aligning is when your ships points at a celestial/bookmark/fleetmate and accelerates. This is quickest when you're flying in roughly the same direction, slower from stationary, slower still when pointing 180 degrees from align, and slowest still when 90 degrees. Try in an industrial as it yaws to the line.
 
Aligning is when your ships points at a celestial/bookmark/fleetmate and accelerates. This is quickest when you're flying in roughly the same direction, slower from stationary, slower still when pointing 180 degrees from align, and slowest still when 90 degrees. Try in an industrial as it yaws to the line.
  
Several mods exist which modify this (your inertia modifier). Nanofiber Structures, Inertial Stabilizers give bonuses (as in lower your align times), as does Low Friction Nozzle Joints. Armor Plates negatively affect it, increasing your align times.
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Several mods exist which modify this (your inertia modifier). Nanofiber Structures, Inertial Stabilizers give bonuses (as in lower your align times), as does Low Friction Nozzle Joints. Armor Plates negatively affect it, increasing your align times. Being webbed can actually get you into warp faster, as your target speed is 75% of current max. More on this later.
  
 
Being aligned without warping allows you to warp away with minimum delay, useful in fleet fights or missions. Leaving the field can prevent a stupid lossmail.
 
Being aligned without warping allows you to warp away with minimum delay, useful in fleet fights or missions. Leaving the field can prevent a stupid lossmail.
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An unaligned requires a little more work. First, you need an unaligned spot in space. Now, you could turn and burn with a mwd fit capstable frig. At say, 4k / second * 60 second * 60 minutes = 14400 km / 150 000 000 (1 AU) = 0.000096th of an AU/hour = 0.002304 AU/24 hours = 1 AU/434 days. Not really viable. So, our alternative is using a scanned anomaly (the okay). Warp to it (being careful not to be shot by the rats or pilots who may be there), then to either a celestial, or another anomaly, and drop more bookmarks. This is acceptable, but still has a degree of underwear sharing, as other pilots may have done the same. Leaving the bookmark for several weeks or months, will filter out a lot of sharing, but three's an even better method that works in most Empire space.
 
An unaligned requires a little more work. First, you need an unaligned spot in space. Now, you could turn and burn with a mwd fit capstable frig. At say, 4k / second * 60 second * 60 minutes = 14400 km / 150 000 000 (1 AU) = 0.000096th of an AU/hour = 0.002304 AU/24 hours = 1 AU/434 days. Not really viable. So, our alternative is using a scanned anomaly (the okay). Warp to it (being careful not to be shot by the rats or pilots who may be there), then to either a celestial, or another anomaly, and drop more bookmarks. This is acceptable, but still has a degree of underwear sharing, as other pilots may have done the same. Leaving the bookmark for several weeks or months, will filter out a lot of sharing, but three's an even better method that works in most Empire space.
  
Mission spots! Generated randomly, out of line with the planets. Check the agent finder, dock where there's a security agent that you can access (level 1s and 2s are the best, as they'll mostly be in the same system). You don't even need to accept, just keep the conversation open, warp to the bookmark and boom! There's step 1. Grab another, step 2. Warp, bookmark, and you're moxious. Of course, check the starmap.Still d-scannable if within 14 AU
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Security Mission spots! Generated randomly, out of line with the planets. Check the agent finder, dock where there's a security agent that you can access (level 1s and 2s are the best, as they'll mostly be in the same system). You don't even need to accept, just keep the conversation open, warp to the bookmark and boom! There's step 1. Grab another, step 2. Warp, bookmark, and you're moxious. Of course, check the starmap. Still d-scannable if within 14 AU. Caveat: If you do accept the mission, not all have a gate. Can drop you and your fat hauler right in the middle of a rat swarm.
  
 
In systems without agents or stations, another method is to warp between 2 aligned safe spots and bookmark. A little more time and effort intensive, but quite safe.
 
In systems without agents or stations, another method is to warp between 2 aligned safe spots and bookmark. A little more time and effort intensive, but quite safe.
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Of special note is incursion bookmarks. They'll often be far into space, 14 AU from celestials. Easy to bookmark by rightclicking on the overview. But again - underwear sharing. Everyone can see them. Good to start an unaligned bookmark from, not so great to use as an actual safe spot.
  
 
Undocks require a bit more time and preparation, but vital to avoid station camps, especially when carrying something expensive out of a trade hub (although why you're doing that, is entirely upon you). Simply undock in a fast frigate, turn on the mwd and put your feet on the desk. When you've gotten a few hundred, thousand k's away, bookmark, warp to the station, dock, undock and warp to the bookmark. Congrats! Your plex hauler is safe from that station camp!
 
Undocks require a bit more time and preparation, but vital to avoid station camps, especially when carrying something expensive out of a trade hub (although why you're doing that, is entirely upon you). Simply undock in a fast frigate, turn on the mwd and put your feet on the desk. When you've gotten a few hundred, thousand k's away, bookmark, warp to the station, dock, undock and warp to the bookmark. Congrats! Your plex hauler is safe from that station camp!
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Most of the previous points have been about lowsec, or travelling in wartime. Travelling 30 jumps in high sec in peace is largely a matter of warping between gates, ignoring trade hub chatter and not falling asleep. If you've prepped. To prevent it being a very exciting time, you should present a very uninteresting target. Not being in an exclusive ship is a good start. Same for not carrying plex. Have 3 Large Shield Extenders drastically increase your buffer tank which makes you an unprofitable gank target (3M Isk/1k Effective Hit Points is a good rule of thumb). Not autopiloting. Not carrying expensive loot, or double wrapping it, which can be a mixed blessing. They don't know what you're carrying, but they might assume it's worth the risk.
 
Most of the previous points have been about lowsec, or travelling in wartime. Travelling 30 jumps in high sec in peace is largely a matter of warping between gates, ignoring trade hub chatter and not falling asleep. If you've prepped. To prevent it being a very exciting time, you should present a very uninteresting target. Not being in an exclusive ship is a good start. Same for not carrying plex. Have 3 Large Shield Extenders drastically increase your buffer tank which makes you an unprofitable gank target (3M Isk/1k Effective Hit Points is a good rule of thumb). Not autopiloting. Not carrying expensive loot, or double wrapping it, which can be a mixed blessing. They don't know what you're carrying, but they might assume it's worth the risk.
  
Now, I've talked a lot about travelling. Here's the way to prevent travelling at all. Courier contracts, and hauling services. Red Frog is an established and famous one, but the Uni has experienced pilots who may be willing to help you move stuff safely.
 
  
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Cover fitting principles - buffer tanking, inertia modding, using an alt webber to speed up the acceleration. Mention that armour buffer tank does slow align, but if the EHP is the priority, can be worth the extra time. Not like it's slow to lock a hauler, or hard to set up an instant lock tornado.
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===Understanding and manipulating our position safely===
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Now, I've talked a lot about travelling. Here's the way to prevent travelling at all. Courier contracts, and hauling services. Red Frog is an established and famous one, but the Uni has experienced pilots who may be willing to help you move stuff safely.
  
* Overview - how it works, who it shows, how to manipulate it (briefly)
 
* Dscan - how it works, who it shows, how to ensure the 14 AU around is clear
 
* Warp speeds in different hulls - align, ramp up, travel, ramp down. The ramifications
 
* Safespot bookmarking - how to make quick and effective safespots, and other utility bookmarks
 
* Why not to align - why not to warp between gates, and how to not do so using bookmarks
 
  
===Encountering hostiles===
 
  
* Gatecamps - The different roles, how they work together.
 
* Dealing with it - How to use intell channels to avoid them, how to use tools to find areas of activity (Dotlan and such), what to do if in the middle of one.
 
  
===Prevention===
 
  
*Travelling in high sec - What a ganker looks for, how not to be conspicuous, how to make yourself an unprofitable target
 
  
  
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evemap, dotlan, evetravel, red frog. all good sites to add to your text
 
evemap, dotlan, evetravel, red frog. all good sites to add to your text
 
especially evetravel is fun to jump into , see what can be done by just travveling > http://evetravel.wordpress.com/
 
especially evetravel is fun to jump into , see what can be done by just travveling > http://evetravel.wordpress.com/
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Wartime/lowsec travel - scouting for yourself with ooc alt, using an alt webber
 
Pilgramages to interesting sites?
 
Pilgramages to interesting sites?
 
Trim the bookmark largely, direct to http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bookmark#Types_of_Bookmarks
 
Trim the bookmark largely, direct to http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bookmark#Types_of_Bookmarks

Revision as of 01:48, 15 January 2014


Overview and D-scan - Our eyes

Our overview is our eyes in EvE, aka Everyone versus Everyone. As you should have done by now, you have set up a few overview tabs. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Overview if not. For this class and practical, we'll be using PvP Travel and Pod saver.

The overview quickly tells us what ships are on grid with us, their distance, who they're yellowboxing/redboxing, their speed and velocity in regards to us, names, corps and alliance. An interceptor at 120km burning away isn't a threat for some seconds, one at 40km burning towards is.

D-scan can give you information on anything within 14.4 AU. 1 AU = 150 000 000 km = 150Million km. The exception is cloaked ships.

Grid is the local arena of space, roughly 300km in diameter. It is possible to burn away and be offgrid, at roughly 350-450 km and not show up on the overview of people at the gate. It's an involved subject. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Grid_Manipulation goes into it in more detail, but ongrid = overview. offgird = d-scan and probes is enough detail for this class.

Warp speeds

copied from http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Anatomy_of_Incursions#Warp_speeds

Not only do ships align faster or slower depending on their hulls and the skills of the pilot, they also accelerate into and warp faster or slower based on their hulls. This is important to be aware of as faster ships warp much faster than the slower.

Ship class Warp speed (including align time)
Large ship Battleships
  25s (32-41s)
Medium ship Battlecruisers
  20s (28-30s)
Medium ship Command Ships
  19s (28-30s)
Medium ship Cruisers
  17s (23-24s)
Medium ship Logistics
  16s (22-23s)
Small ship Frigates
  7s (11-13s)

    Legend:   Warp speed   Fast align (max skill, agile hulls)   Slow align (low skills, less agile hulls)

Many bothans leeroys died to bring us this information from incursion sites. This is from a 10 000 km warp. Notice the align times of the different hulls, and the actual warp time. Over multiple AU warps, the difference between a frigate and cruiser widens considerably, allowing interceptors to intercept.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/User:Cassiel_seraphim/Sandbox#Warping_longer_distances

Warping longer distances

Rubicon changes things up a bit when it came to warp speeds, these are some example-times of the new warps for various distances:

Warp distance Ship class Warp time
Short warps
(20 AU)
Large ship Battleships
  54 sec
Medium ship Battlecruisers
  44 sec
Medium ship Command Ships
  40 sec
Medium ship Cruisers
  37 sec
Medium ship Logistics
  33 sec
Small ship Frigates
  22 sec
Medium warps
(50 AU)
Large ship Battleships
  69 sec (1 minute and 9 seconds)
Medium ship Battlecruisers
  56 sec
Medium ship Command Ships
  51 sec
Medium ship Cruisers
  47 sec
Medium ship Logistics
  43 sec
Small ship Frigates
  28 sec
Long warps
(100 AU)
Large ship Battleships
  94 sec (1 minute and 34 seconds)
Medium ship Battlecruisers
  76 sec (1 minute and 16 seconds)
Medium ship Command Ships
  69 sec (1 minute and 9 seconds)
Medium ship Cruisers
  63 sec (1 minute and 3 seconds)
Medium ship Logistics
  58 sec
Small ship Frigates
  38 sec
Extreme warps
(200 AU)
Large ship Battleships
  144 sec (2 minutes and 24 seconds)
Medium ship Battlecruisers
  116 sec (1 minute and 56 seconds)
Medium ship Command Ships
  105 sec (1 minute and 45 seconds)
Medium ship Cruisers
  97 sec (1 minute and 37 seconds)
Medium ship Logistics
  88 sec (1 minute and 28 seconds)
Small ship Frigates
  58 sec

Aligning is when your ships points at a celestial/bookmark/fleetmate and accelerates. This is quickest when you're flying in roughly the same direction, slower from stationary, slower still when pointing 180 degrees from align, and slowest still when 90 degrees. Try in an industrial as it yaws to the line.

Several mods exist which modify this (your inertia modifier). Nanofiber Structures, Inertial Stabilizers give bonuses (as in lower your align times), as does Low Friction Nozzle Joints. Armor Plates negatively affect it, increasing your align times. Being webbed can actually get you into warp faster, as your target speed is 75% of current max. More on this later.

Being aligned without warping allows you to warp away with minimum delay, useful in fleet fights or missions. Leaving the field can prevent a stupid lossmail.


Preventing ticks via Safespots: Staying off the map, grid and primary

Link to http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bookmark#Types_of_Bookmarks ? Get info from it? Something. Split this section, maybe.

As the server updates information in ticks, as opposed to real time, this means that ships warp a certain distance per tick, depending on their warp speed. The implications are that when making bookmarks in warp between 2 celestials, we may have them placed in the same spot as another pilot. This is unacceptable from a best practice viewpoint (a common phrase is that sharing bookmarks is like sharing underwear: only with someone you trust and don't mind being intimate with. Intimate can mean Antimatter M up the exhaust pipe, in this case). So, how can this be avoided?

Simple! By setting up unaligned safe spots!

To set up an aligned safe spot (the bad), simply warp between 2 celestials. Drop bookmarks at locations you desire (open star map to see where your ship is, drop multiple bookmarks. This will also demonstrate the tick nature).

An unaligned requires a little more work. First, you need an unaligned spot in space. Now, you could turn and burn with a mwd fit capstable frig. At say, 4k / second * 60 second * 60 minutes = 14400 km / 150 000 000 (1 AU) = 0.000096th of an AU/hour = 0.002304 AU/24 hours = 1 AU/434 days. Not really viable. So, our alternative is using a scanned anomaly (the okay). Warp to it (being careful not to be shot by the rats or pilots who may be there), then to either a celestial, or another anomaly, and drop more bookmarks. This is acceptable, but still has a degree of underwear sharing, as other pilots may have done the same. Leaving the bookmark for several weeks or months, will filter out a lot of sharing, but three's an even better method that works in most Empire space.

Security Mission spots! Generated randomly, out of line with the planets. Check the agent finder, dock where there's a security agent that you can access (level 1s and 2s are the best, as they'll mostly be in the same system). You don't even need to accept, just keep the conversation open, warp to the bookmark and boom! There's step 1. Grab another, step 2. Warp, bookmark, and you're moxious. Of course, check the starmap. Still d-scannable if within 14 AU. Caveat: If you do accept the mission, not all have a gate. Can drop you and your fat hauler right in the middle of a rat swarm.

In systems without agents or stations, another method is to warp between 2 aligned safe spots and bookmark. A little more time and effort intensive, but quite safe.

Of special note is incursion bookmarks. They'll often be far into space, 14 AU from celestials. Easy to bookmark by rightclicking on the overview. But again - underwear sharing. Everyone can see them. Good to start an unaligned bookmark from, not so great to use as an actual safe spot.

Undocks require a bit more time and preparation, but vital to avoid station camps, especially when carrying something expensive out of a trade hub (although why you're doing that, is entirely upon you). Simply undock in a fast frigate, turn on the mwd and put your feet on the desk. When you've gotten a few hundred, thousand k's away, bookmark, warp to the station, dock, undock and warp to the bookmark. Congrats! Your plex hauler is safe from that station camp!

Observation bookmarks allow even a non cloaked ship to be fairly safe travelling dangerous territory. Again, prep work is required. Fast frig, burn in a direction from the place (gate, for example) you want to observe, drop bookmark at between 200 - 300 km. This allows you to warp to the gate and jump, or warp to it at a distance to observe it directly or warp away if someone's closing the distance. Options are always good. Several observation bookmarks make it difficult for an enemy to predict which one you're going to, but still. Do you want to share the underwear AND be a preventable lossmail? Delete the bookmark and make another.

Offgrid bookmarks are possibly the quickest to set up. Simply warp to the celestial (again, gate for example) and as you get close to it (under an AU, maybe under 10 000 km) bookmark. Voila, next time you can warp to it and check the gate without being on grid via d-scan.

Deep safes are more then 14 AU away from any celestial, which makes it more difficult to find on D-scan. Still findable with probes, especially Deep Space probe (hence the name)

To summarise

copied from http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Scouting_101#Bookmarks

Aligned Safe Spots

  • Drop a BM midway between two celestials
  • Very quick and simple to make
  • Don’t stay too long, easy to find
  • Due to ticks can be found without combat probes

Unaligned Safe Spots

  • Create a bookmark between two Midsafes/Anomalies/Mission safes
  • Much safer
  • Ideally over 14AU so that outside D-scan range
  • Take longer to form

Instant Undocks

  • Bookmark in-line with station undock vector
  • Allows (near) instant warp when undocking
  • About 2000km is a good distance

Observation BMs

  • Bookmarks for watching gates, stations, asteroid belts, POSes...
  • A good distance is 300km
  • Allows to be on grid with gate
  • Can warp to within 100km to allow 'look at' to check fittings etc, and still warp back
  • Can never have too many
  • Ideally surround a gate in all directions
  • Should have at least one on every gate on common routes
  • Keep out of alignment with celestials compared to the gate
  • Best place for observation is outside transit routes
  • Or just get within 100km of gate at 'look at' the gate

Off-Grid BMs

  • Typically within a few 10s of thousands of KM
  • Allows you to check gates even without a cloak

Deep space safe

  • More then 14 AU from all celestials


Why not to stay aligned

Anytime you're predictable, you're stuffing your head in a noose, hand in a dark crevice ****** need a third. And one day, it'll get lopped off, by anything from a gank fleet, to a smartbombing battleship or *scare chord* a warp bubble. Warping between gates is the epitome of predictable. If they could justify it fictionwise, there'd be space highways with billboards in the rancer system.

By warping between bookmarks we avoid or minimise these risks (plus, being predictable is boring).


Gate camps - avoiding, finding and informing

So, we're minding our business, flying through

Dealing - 60 second cloak, burn back, align to celestials

Scouting - Dotlan for map and info. Probing and checking beacons, stations and belts. What info the FC/Live.intell wants. Again, information processing is part of the scouts job.

Travelling the scariest place of all - High Sec!

Most of the previous points have been about lowsec, or travelling in wartime. Travelling 30 jumps in high sec in peace is largely a matter of warping between gates, ignoring trade hub chatter and not falling asleep. If you've prepped. To prevent it being a very exciting time, you should present a very uninteresting target. Not being in an exclusive ship is a good start. Same for not carrying plex. Have 3 Large Shield Extenders drastically increase your buffer tank which makes you an unprofitable gank target (3M Isk/1k Effective Hit Points is a good rule of thumb). Not autopiloting. Not carrying expensive loot, or double wrapping it, which can be a mixed blessing. They don't know what you're carrying, but they might assume it's worth the risk.


Cover fitting principles - buffer tanking, inertia modding, using an alt webber to speed up the acceleration. Mention that armour buffer tank does slow align, but if the EHP is the priority, can be worth the extra time. Not like it's slow to lock a hauler, or hard to set up an instant lock tornado.


Now, I've talked a lot about travelling. Here's the way to prevent travelling at all. Courier contracts, and hauling services. Red Frog is an established and famous one, but the Uni has experienced pilots who may be willing to help you move stuff safely.




NEED

  • a link to a bookmarking system. Folders seem to be quite safe.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bookmark#Types_of_Bookmarks

  • How to get to Aldrat - Set destination, prefer safest, use warpto default overview tab.
  • The Eve map - what it is, the various settings and avoidance tabs, including safest, quickest and dangerous
  • Wormhole travel - very brief on wormholes. Mass limits compared to ships, bubbles, hostile POS, lack of gates, very hostile environment due to PvP.

http://evetravel.wordpress.com/ evemap, dotlan, evetravel, red frog. all good sites to add to your text especially evetravel is fun to jump into , see what can be done by just travveling > http://evetravel.wordpress.com/ Wartime/lowsec travel - scouting for yourself with ooc alt, using an alt webber Pilgramages to interesting sites? Trim the bookmark largely, direct to http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Bookmark#Types_of_Bookmarks