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== Vexors ==
 
== Vexors ==
 
=== Doctrine Q&A ===
 
=== Doctrine Q&A ===
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{{quote|[[Image:Raido_Kudonen.jpg|36px|link=]] '''Raido Kudonen'''
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This Vexor doctrine is another variant in a long line of afterburning, armor-tanked cruisers that use their low signature radius and moderate velocity to their advantage in brawling fights. Vexors also punch down very effectively against assault frigate or T3D gangs, since they can carry both a “damage” set (with a couple Ogres or, in alpha versions, a flight of Hammerheads) and an “application” set (Acolytes or Warriors) of drones. Finally, since Vexors use drones for most of their damage, they can manipulate transversal to considerable advantage when fighting other brawling doctrines.}}
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{{quote|[[Image:Raido_Kudonen.jpg|36px|link=]] '''Raido Kudonen'''
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This doctrine is usable in all areas of space. However, see the “weaknesses” section, and note that most nullsec alliances and all wormhole alliances can readily form fleets using ships in the “exactly like this, but better” category. Roaming in nullsec with this fairly slow doctrine therefore depends on your ability to anticipate hostile forces’ movement and pre-position your fleet to engage or disengage as it best suits you. However, since dictors cost about twice as much as your Vexors, you can trade fairly well just by hazing tackle. }}
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{{quote|[[Image:Raido_Kudonen.jpg|36px|link=]] '''Raido Kudonen'''
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Vexors should orbit on the FC/damage anchor at 500-1000m, with the logi anchor holding 35-40km off the damage anchor on the opposite side of the enemy. (Normal exceptions, such as holding the logi wing on a gate because you expect to deaggress and jump through, of course apply.)
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The damage anchor should position based on the enemy fleet comp and likely weapons. For example, against blaster or autocannon users, the damage wing should load long range ammo (Iron/Spike) and pull as much range as possible; against laser, rail, arty, or missile users, the damage wing should load close range ammo (Antimatter/Javelin) and get as close as possible.
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Against kiting gangs, such as Orthruses/Navy Ospreys/Caracals, you should damp the enemy out to the point that they must either close to your engagement range or go away. You have no ability to force kiting gangs to fight and should not try.}}
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{{quote|[[Image:Raido_Kudonen.jpg|36px|link=]] '''Raido Kudonen'''
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You should have 1 Augoror for every 3-4 Vexors, starting at 3 Augorors for a fleet of 8-10 Vexors. Do not undock without at least three Augorors. If you don’t have 12 pilots in fleet (one scout, 8 Vexors, 3 Augorors), this is not an appropriate doctrine for your small gang and you should fly something else. If at all possible, you should start with 4 Augorors, 12 Vexors, a scout, a command destroyer, and a couple other support ships for a total of about 20 in fleet as a good critical mass of this doctrine.
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Do not undock without a command destroyer, fitted with two links modules (armor resists > armor buffer = tackle range > speed > else). Command destroyers are both the best links ships for T1 cruisers and invaluable for messing with enemy positioning; in small engagements, they also provide a scram on a ship that is faster than your DPS wing and therefore can help lock down targets that might otherwise MJD away. As the fleet gets larger, keep a minimum 1 command destroyer per 8-10 Vexors and there is no maximum number of Magi in your fleet.
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While Vexors should generally be fitted with mixed tackle/ewar, dedicated tackle ships are useful. For smaller fleets, this includes a Hyena and Keres, each with an AB and full armor tank and anchored on the logi wing (the Keres should be fit with a long point and 3 damps, as closing to scram range exposes the Keres to too much danger). You can also use a buffer tanked Ashimmu in the damage wing (it only costs about 125m with a t2 fit; fit with 3 neuts and 2 nos in the highs).
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For larger fleets (i.e. 6-8 Augorors minimum) you should bring recons (Huginn/Rapier/Lachesis) – the logi number here is more important than the damage number, as you shouldn’t bring T2 cruisers without adequate reps to keep them alive. In smaller fleets where cruiser tackle support would nonetheless be helpful, I highly recommend a buffer tanked Ashimmu, which only costs about 125m with a t2 fit.
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You should never undock any fleet without at least one interceptor scout; in nullsec, you need a couple ceptors and at least one dictor. In wormhole space, you need the same as null, plus at least one cloaky scout.}}
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{{quote|[[Image:Raido_Kudonen.jpg|36px|link=]] '''Raido Kudonen'''
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If you’re trying to extract, you should kill tackle. Otherwise, you need to lock down and kill logi if at all possible, because Vexors have difficulty target switching to break reps on enemy DPS ships.}}
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{{quote|[[Image:Raido_Kudonen.jpg|36px|link=]] '''Raido Kudonen'''
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This doctrine’s biggest weakness is that compared to the other BLAP doctrines, it is relatively high commitment because you’re fairly slow and fight with your DPS wing in tackle range of the enemy fleet. As a result, if you engage a gang outside your weight class, you’re going to take a lot of losses and probably not trade well. Some examples of gangs you shouldn’t fight without a substantial numbers or tactical advantage (such as being able to boosh off part of their fleet) follow. It’s difficult to quantify a tactical advantage, but I included the rough numerical advantages to give you an idea of what you need.
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All “armor HAC” doctrines are very strong against Vexors. Sacrileges (flown occasionally by RDRAW), Zealots (same, also flown by several Calmil organizations), and Augoror Navy Issues (flown by any number of lowsec entities, also by Brave Newbies in null) can all defeat Vexors unless outnumbered by at least 3:1 for the HACs and 2:1 for the ANIs.
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Some faction cruiser doctrines used in lowsec (CALSF’s Navy Osprey doctrine, various Gila doctrines) are difficult for Vexors to trade against because they combine very strong tank with a lot of DPS. You need about a 2:1 numbers advantage to engage them.
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T3 AHACs, such as BLOC’s drone Proteus doctrine, mashed-up beam Legions/rail Protei (NC/PL, Goons, Co2, PM/Snuff/RDRAW, Waffles, others), and HAM Legions (all high-class and most low-class Wspace alliances, literally nobody outside Wspace) are a hard counter to these Vexors. Do not engage a group of T3 AHACs without at least a 5:1 advantage (if they’re using Guardians) or more logi than they have DPS (if they’re ~elite hisec pvp~ and using waves of neutral logi). Fortunately, people typically use these (and comparable fleets of faction battleships/command ships) for stratop timers rather than roaming or reaction fleets.
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Finally, high-projection doctrines that aren’t easily damped to your engagement range are a serious threat, and you should usually leave field after hazing tackle. Examples include Cerbs (~70km lock range with one damp), Jackdaws (~75-80km lock range with one damp), and blobs of Cormorants or Talwars (you can’t damp enough of them).}}
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{{quote|[[Image:Raido_Kudonen.jpg|36px|link=]] '''Raido Kudonen'''
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No. Here's why:
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''(Obviously you’re not bringing 600m ISK command ships, or 450m ISK + injector links T3s, with a T1 cruiser blob. Let’s be reasonable here.)''
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* T1 battlecruisers are not good links ships. The command bursts on a T1 battlecruiser are 10% less effective than on a command destroyer (all else being equal). In a BC fleet, you trade less effective bursts for hiding in the blob. However, either a battlecruiser or a command destroyer will stand out of a T1 cruiser fleet and will therefore be vulnerable to being primaried. This leads to…
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* T1 battlecruisers are not as good at tanking as command destroyers. They have a signature radius about 4x as large, half as much speed (even if you use a quick battlecruiser, like the Hurricane, so that your links BC can actually keep up with the Vexors – a Prophecy can’t), and a T1 resist profile. This means that even though they have bigger buffer tanks, they’re much more likely to die in a serious fight – you know, the kind of engagement where you really need links.
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* People with enough SP to fly command destroyers – and there are many such people in the Uni – ought to step up and learn how to fly in mission-critical roles instead of orbiting the FC and pushing F1.
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* Warping around with battlecruisers in your cruiser fleet means you take longer to get places, which makes you more likely to be out of position and generally less likely to get content. So if you insist on bringing battlecruisers, you need a hyperspatial rig to keep up with the rest of the fleet. Which trades off with your buffer, which is literally the only good thing about links battlecruisers. Oops.}}
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=== Fittings ===
 
=== Fittings ===
 
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Revision as of 00:58, 10 May 2017

Main article: Basic Learning for Aspiring Pilots

Talwars

Doctrine Q&A

Fittings

E-UNI BLAP Talwar
Talwar: E-UNI BLAP Talwar
EFT
[Talwar, E-UNI BLAP Talwar]
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher

F-90 Compact Sensor Booster
Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Ballistic Control System I
Mark I Compact Power Diagnostic System
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I



Inferno Light Missile x560
Mjolnir Light Missile x560
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x140
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x140
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x140
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x140
Targeting Range Script x1
Scourge Light Missile x560
Nova Light Missile x560

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E-UNI BLAP Talwar T2
Talwar: E-UNI BLAP Talwar T2
EFT
[Talwar, E-UNI BLAP Talwar T2]
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
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Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher
Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher

Medium Shield Extender II
F-90 Compact Sensor Booster
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Ballistic Control System II
Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I



Targeting Range Script x1
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x140
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Scourge Light Missile x560
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Mjolnir Light Missile x560
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x140
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x140
Nova Light Missile x560

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Caracals

Doctrine Q&A

Fittings

E-UNI BLAP Caracal
Caracal: E-UNI BLAP Caracal
EFT
[Caracal, E-UNI BLAP Caracal]
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher
Experimental SV-2000 Rapid Light Missile Launcher

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender

Mark I Compact Power Diagnostic System
Damage Control I
Ballistic Control System I
Ballistic Control System I

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior I x2

Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x475
Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x960
Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x475
Scourge Light Missile x1920
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Mjolnir Light Missile x1920
Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x475
Nova Light Missile x1920
Nanite Repair Paste x40

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E-UNI BLAP Caracal T2
Caracal: E-UNI BLAP Caracal T2
EFT
[Caracal, E-UNI BLAP Caracal T2]
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x2

Inferno Fury Light Missile x1920
Mjolnir Fury Light Missile x1920
Nova Fury Light Missile x1920
Scourge Fury Light Missile x1920
Nanite Repair Paste x40

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E-UNI BLAP Osprey
Osprey: E-UNI BLAP Osprey
EFT
[Osprey, E-UNI BLAP Osprey]
Medium Murky Compact Remote Shield Booster
Medium Murky Compact Remote Shield Booster
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Murky Compact Remote Shield Booster

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender

Damage Control I
F-89 Compact Signal Amplifier
F-89 Compact Signal Amplifier

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior I x1
Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x3

Targeting Range Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
ECCM Script x1
Nanite Repair Paste x40

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  • If only training the base BLAP Logistics plan, Drones may not be usable.
  • If both BLAP plans have been trained, Repair Drone Operation should be a minimal training investment.
E-UNI BLAP Osprey T2
Osprey: E-UNI BLAP Osprey T2
EFT
[Osprey, E-UNI BLAP Osprey T2]
Medium S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium S95a Scoped Remote Shield Booster

Large Shield Extender II
50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Sensor Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Damage Control II

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x3
Warrior II x1

Targeting Range Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Nanite Repair Paste x40
ECCM Script x1

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Vexors

Doctrine Q&A

Fittings

E-UNI BLAP Vexor
Vexor: E-UNI BLAP Vexor
EFT
[Vexor, E-UNI BLAP Vexor]
Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I
Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I
Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I
Dual 150mm Compressed Coil Gun I

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Kapteyn Compact Sensor Dampener
Faint Scoped Warp Disruptor
Drone Navigation Computer I

Damage Control I
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Prototype Energized Explosive Membrane I
1600mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin I x1
Ogre I x2
Hammerhead I x2
Hobgoblin I x4
Hammerhead I x3

Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x1280
Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M x1280
Caldari Navy Iron Charge M x1280
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier x1
F-23 Compact Remote Sensor Booster x1
Kapteyn Compact Sensor Dampener x1
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler x1
F-90 Compact Sensor Booster x1
Nanite Repair Paste x40
Targeting Range Dampening Script x2

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E-UNI BLAP Vexor T2
Vexor: E-UNI BLAP Vexor T2
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[Vexor, E-UNI BLAP Vexor T2]
Dual 150mm Railgun II
Dual 150mm Railgun II
Dual 150mm Railgun II
Dual 150mm Railgun II

Warp Disruptor II
Drone Navigation Computer I
Phased Muon Scoped Sensor Dampener
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Coreli A-Type Explosive Plating
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x4
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x3
Ogre II x2

Spike M x2560
Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M x1920
Javelin M x2560
Scan Resolution Dampening Script x2
Targeting Range Dampening Script x2
Stasis Webifier II x1
Linked Enduring Remote Sensor Booster x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Targeting Range Script x1
ECCM Script x1

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Fitting template mid slots label.png
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Fitting template low slots label.png
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Fitting template subsystem slots label.png
Fitting template drone slots label.png
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Fitting template drone slots label.png
Fitting template charge slots label.png
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Fitting template charge slots label.png
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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
ASCENSION
ALPHA CAN USE
UNSET
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
NOTES


E-UNI BLAP Augoror
Augoror: E-UNI BLAP Augoror
EFT
[Augoror, E-UNI BLAP Augoror]
Medium Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Medium Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

F-90 Compact Sensor Booster
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
F-90 Compact Sensor Booster

Prototype Armor Explosive Hardener I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Damage Control I
800mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Prototype Armor Thermal Hardener I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-EM Pump I



Nanite Repair Paste x40
ECCM Script x2
Targeting Range Script x2
Scan Resolution Script x2

Fitting template high slot label.png
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Fitting template mid slots label.png
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Fitting template low slots label.png
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Fitting template subsystem slots label.png
Fitting template drone slots label.png
Fitting template drone slots label.png
Fitting template charge slots label.png
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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
ASCENSION
ALPHA CAN USE
UNSET
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
NOTES
E-UNI BLAP Augoror T2
Augoror: E-UNI BLAP Augoror T2
EFT
[Augoror, E-UNI BLAP Augoror T2]
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Medium Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer

Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
800mm Steel Plates II
Armor Thermal Hardener II

Medium Anti-EM Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I



Targeting Range Script x2
Nanite Repair Paste x40
ECCM Script x2
Scan Resolution Script x2

Fitting template high slot label.png
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Fitting template mid slots label.png
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Fitting template low slots label.png
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Fitting template subsystem slots label.png
Fitting template drone slots label.png
Fitting template drone slots label.png
Fitting template charge slots label.png
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Fitting template rig slots label.png
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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
ASCENSION
ALPHA CAN USE
UNSET
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
NOTES