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::On a related note, however, one of my other wiki team members (rather serendipitously) just reopened a discussion about {{tl|CMBSite}} that began when it was created more than a year ago. Given that he was around at its inception, he's in a position to provide some valuable insight, and there is an entire thread detailing the template's creation that I didn't even know existed until now. I've added you the Wiki OOC usergroup on the forum, which will allow you to access [url=https://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?p=867129#p867129]that discussion thread[/url], as well as the Wiki Staff forum. I think it's important that you be able to participate in that discussion, since you are one of the people making use of the template in question. Please let me know if you have any difficulty accessing that part of the forum. I and the rest of the team look forward to hearing your thoughts! - [[User:Djavin novienta|Djavin novienta]] ([[User talk:Djavin novienta|talk]]) 13:05, 10 June 2017 (CDT)

:::Thanks for adding me to the forum group, although I don't seem to be able to post a reply. I find it interesting that some see "clutter" when looking at the template's arguments when in fact it provides an easy way to enter missing information. I could have easily removed any argument that wasn't used, but left them instead on purpose so that someone running the sites (I'm in Angel space) could fairly easily fill in the blanks. I see clutter when I look at the old version of the [[Blood Forsaken Rally Point]] or the [[Guristas Haven]] pages, although the later could easily happen within the CMBSite template... I appreciate you including me in the "debate" of the merits of a given template or format but personally I prefer spending my time actually editing as I don't know much about the intricacies of running a wiki and the demand on resources caused by large parsing templates.

:::PS. It dawns on me that the CMBSite template is also used for Combat Signature Sites so it would need another argument such as SiteType: <pre>{{#ifeq: {{{SiteType}}} | Anomaly | {{Combat Anomalies|{{{Faction|}}} }} |}}</pre> I don't know if there is a similar Combat Signature template, but if there was, it could also be called when appropriate using something like <pre>{{#if: {{{SiteType}}} | {{Combat {{{SiteType}}}|{{{Faction|}}} }} |}}</pre> Unfortunately these arguments would have to be entered on each page, thus defeating the purpose of adding it to the CMBSite template --[[User:Jean inkura|Jean inkura]] ([[User talk:Jean inkura|talk]]) 18:05, 10 June 2017 (CDT)

::::In my opinion the wors parts of the full page CMBSite is that with it we use template for things that do not need template and it doublewraps some normal templates. For example text sections don't need anything, just write them and they just work but with the full page template the texts go into a template. It doublewraps NPC tabale so that it is template inside template and the wave name for the wave is in the CMBSite template instead of table template. I think having the template spots for extra things that aren't currently included is nothing but cluttering the text making it hard to find anything in the editor mode. And if they aren't included the correct place for them is really hard to find if they would need to be added later. It also doesn't seem to work with NPCTableHead and requries NPCTable instead.[[User:Hirmuolio pine|Hirmuolio pine]] ([[User talk:Hirmuolio pine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 June 2017 (CDT)

:::::Well I'm going to stand down and let you folks figure it out. --[[User:Jean inkura|Jean inkura]] ([[User talk:Jean inkura|talk]]) 12:51, 11 June 2017 (CDT)

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 ::On a related note, however, one of my other wiki team members (rather serendipitously) just reopened a discussion about {{tl|CMBSite}} that began when it was created more than a year ago. Given that he was around at its inception, he's in a position to provide some valuable insight, and there is an entire thread detailing the template's creation that I didn't even know existed until now. I've added you the Wiki OOC usergroup on the forum, which will allow you to access [url=https://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?p=867129#p867129]that discussion thread[/url], as well as the Wiki Staff forum. I think it's important that you be able to participate in that discussion, since you are one of the people making use of the template in question. Please let me know if you have any difficulty accessing that part of the forum. I and the rest of the team look forward to hearing your thoughts! - [[User:Djavin novienta|Djavin novienta]] ([[User talk:Djavin novienta|talk]]) 13:05, 10 June 2017 (CDT)
+:::Thanks for adding me to the forum group, although I don't seem to be able to post a reply. I find it interesting that some see "clutter" when looking at the template's arguments when in fact it provides an easy way to enter missing information. I could have easily removed any argument that wasn't used, but left them instead on purpose so that someone running the sites (I'm in Angel space) could fairly easily fill in the blanks. I see clutter when I look at the old version of the [[Blood Forsaken Rally Point]] or the [[Guristas Haven]] pages, although the later could easily happen within the CMBSite template... I appreciate you including me in the "debate" of the merits of a given template or format but personally I prefer spending my time actually editing as I don't know much about the intricacies of running a wiki and the demand on resources caused by large parsing templates.
+:::PS. It dawns on me that the CMBSite template is also used for Combat Signature Sites so it would need another argument such as SiteType: <pre>{{#ifeq: {{{SiteType}}} | Anomaly | {{Combat Anomalies|{{{Faction|}}} }} |}}</pre> I don't know if there is a similar Combat Signature template, but if there was, it could also be called when appropriate using something like <pre>{{#if: {{{SiteType}}} | {{Combat {{{SiteType}}}|{{{Faction|}}} }} |}}</pre> Unfortunately these arguments would have to be entered on each page, thus defeating the purpose of adding it to the CMBSite template --[[User:Jean inkura|Jean inkura]] ([[User talk:Jean inkura|talk]]) 18:05, 10 June 2017 (CDT)
+::::In my opinion the wors parts of the full page CMBSite is that with it we use template for things that do not need template and it doublewraps some normal templates. For example text sections don't need anything, just write them and they just work but with the full page template the texts go into a template. It doublewraps NPC tabale so that it is template inside template and the wave name for the wave is in the CMBSite template instead of table template. I think having the template spots for extra things that aren't currently included is nothing but cluttering the text making it hard to find anything in the editor mode. And if they aren't included the correct place for them is really hard to find if they would need to be added later. It also doesn't seem to work with NPCTableHead and requries NPCTable instead.[[User:Hirmuolio pine|Hirmuolio pine]] ([[User talk:Hirmuolio pine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 June 2017 (CDT)
+:::::Well I'm going to stand down and let you folks figure it out. --[[User:Jean inkura|Jean inkura]] ([[User talk:Jean inkura|talk]]) 12:51, 11 June 2017 (CDT)