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A complete rewrite of the [[3rd Party Tools]] article, with an eye towards usability and maintainability
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=Plan of Action=
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# <s>Initial layout and information gathering</s>
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# <s>incorporation of all standalone or web hosted tools from the #tweetfleet [https://github.com/devfleet/awesome-eve awesome-eve] list</s>
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# <s>checking and incorporation of all relevant entries from the old page</s>
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# <s>copy editing</s>
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# peer review
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# publication
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# moving of leftover resources to a new page to compliment this one, with "reference material" and "news"
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[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 19:35, 14 March 2017 (CDT)
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=Outstanding Issues=
 
=Outstanding Issues=
 
* Should self-hosted web-apps (requiring a LAMP stack or equivalent) be included?
 
* Should self-hosted web-apps (requiring a LAMP stack or equivalent) be included?
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[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 16:13, 14 March 2017 (CDT)
 
[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 16:13, 14 March 2017 (CDT)
  
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=Changes from previous version=
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I would suggest to add the following additional tools (from my parallel edit):
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* <s>jEveAssets - very useful asset manager (http://eve.nikr.net/jeveasset)</s>
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* IGB POS Planer - Unique POS fitting tool, and does not need the IGB to work
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* <s>EVE Structures - Unique tool for finding public structures in New Eden (http://www.kalkoken.org/apps/evestruct/)</s>
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[[User:Erik kalkoken|Erik kalkoken]] ([[User talk:Erik kalkoken|talk]]) 18:17, 15 March 2017 (CDT)
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* Oops, I though jEveAssets WAS added. Feel free to add it. Would you put it in Market/Industry or Misc?
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* IGB POS Planer has no updates since 2016-05, which is around the time I have been dropping other tools without updates.
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* Feel free to add this one too. Intel section?
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[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 18:20, 15 March 2017 (CDT)
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* added jEveAssets and Eve Structures
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* I think jEveAssets fits well in the Character Monitoring, since its about monitoring character related information
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* Regarding IGB POS Planer: I agree that its about a year old, but I would argue that it is still very useful for players and there is no alternative (that I know of). Also, there has not been any big POS changes since then. So I would still recommend it to players today. What do you think?
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--[[User:Erik kalkoken|Erik kalkoken]] ([[User talk:Erik kalkoken|talk]]) 21:00, 15 March 2017 (CDT)
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* You make some good points about IGB POS. I am adding it back in
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* adding a warning note to Pirate's little helper that it is [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5zl4l6/is_rischwa_done_with_eve/ no longer being developed] and is breaking/will break in the near future
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[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 08:09, 16 March 2017 (CDT)
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=Removed Entries=
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I am leaving out the following tools because they are not updated in a long while:
 
I am leaving out the following tools because they are not updated in a long while:
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* [https://github.com/gtkevemon/gtkevemon GtkEveMon] - not updated since May 14, 2016, and that was minor
 
* [https://github.com/gtkevemon/gtkevemon GtkEveMon] - not updated since May 14, 2016, and that was minor
 
* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/evemeep/ EVE Meep] - last update in 2015
 
* [http://sourceforge.net/projects/evemeep/ EVE Meep] - last update in 2015
 
* [http://www.evementat.com/ Eve Mentat] - no longer extant
 
* [http://www.evementat.com/ Eve Mentat] - no longer extant
 
* [https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246157 EVE-O] - no update since 2013?
 
* [https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=246157 EVE-O] - no update since 2013?
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* [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aideronrobotics.android.aura Aura] - last updated December 15, 2014
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* [http://eve-hunt.net/ EVE Hunt] - no longer extant
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* [http://eve.grismar.net/ Grimsar's EVE Wiki] - site is broken
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* [http://gunfleet.org/igb/index.php Gunfleet EVE Quick Lookup] - no longer extant
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* [http://eve-cost.eu/ EVE-Cost] - site is still up but no updates or communication since 2016-01-21
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* [http://eve.battleclinic.com/ Battleclinic] - no longer extant
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* [http://failheap-challenge.com/ Failheap Challenge] - forums are not tools
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* [http://dedafsindustrialtool.blogspot.com/ Dedaf's Industrial Tool] - no update since 2015-12
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[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 20:26, 14 March 2017 (CDT)
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=Reference Sites=
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The following entries are being left out because they are not tools per se, and should be part of a separate "Further Resource" type of page
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* [https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eve.news.official Eve News] - news aggregators don't really belong here
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* [http://evenews24.com/ EN24] - news aggregators don't really belong here
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* [http://www.themittani.com/ The Mittani dot com] - news aggregators don't really belong here
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* [http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/default.php Chruker's EVE site] - Reference sites belong elsewhere
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* [http://cerlestes.de/ Cerlestes Ore and Ice Tables] - Reference sites belong elsewhere
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* [http://howtoeve.com/ref.html EVE Reference Sheet] - Reference sites belong elsewhere
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* [http://www.eveacronyms.com/ EVE Acronyms] - Reference sites belong elsewhere
  
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[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 17:12, 14 March 2017 (CDT)
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[[User:Abelard andedare|Abelard andedare]] ([[User talk:Abelard andedare|talk]]) 19:16, 14 March 2017 (CDT)

Latest revision as of 22:46, 27 June 2020

A complete rewrite of the 3rd Party Tools article, with an eye towards usability and maintainability

Plan of Action

  1. Initial layout and information gathering
  2. incorporation of all standalone or web hosted tools from the #tweetfleet awesome-eve list
  3. checking and incorporation of all relevant entries from the old page
  4. copy editing
  5. peer review
  6. publication
  7. moving of leftover resources to a new page to compliment this one, with "reference material" and "news"

Abelard andedare (talk) 19:35, 14 March 2017 (CDT)

Outstanding Issues

  • Should self-hosted web-apps (requiring a LAMP stack or equivalent) be included?
  • Should there be a stated procedure for being included / not included? For instance, how long should a tool go without update before it is removed?
  • What to do with items that were on the old list but should not have been, like the Eve Acronyms website?
    • I lean towards making a separate "new player resources" article, perhaps as a part of my guide to getting yourself set up that is currently WIP

Abelard andedare (talk) 16:13, 14 March 2017 (CDT)

I would suggest to add the following additional tools (from my parallel edit):

Erik kalkoken (talk) 18:17, 15 March 2017 (CDT)

  • Oops, I though jEveAssets WAS added. Feel free to add it. Would you put it in Market/Industry or Misc?
  • IGB POS Planer has no updates since 2016-05, which is around the time I have been dropping other tools without updates.
  • Feel free to add this one too. Intel section?

Abelard andedare (talk) 18:20, 15 March 2017 (CDT)

  • added jEveAssets and Eve Structures
  • I think jEveAssets fits well in the Character Monitoring, since its about monitoring character related information
  • Regarding IGB POS Planer: I agree that its about a year old, but I would argue that it is still very useful for players and there is no alternative (that I know of). Also, there has not been any big POS changes since then. So I would still recommend it to players today. What do you think?

--Erik kalkoken (talk) 21:00, 15 March 2017 (CDT)

  • You make some good points about IGB POS. I am adding it back in
  • adding a warning note to Pirate's little helper that it is no longer being developed and is breaking/will break in the near future

Abelard andedare (talk) 08:09, 16 March 2017 (CDT)

Removed Entries

I am leaving out the following tools because they are not updated in a long while:

Abelard andedare (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2017 (CDT)

Reference Sites

The following entries are being left out because they are not tools per se, and should be part of a separate "Further Resource" type of page

Abelard andedare (talk) 19:16, 14 March 2017 (CDT)

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