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==Beam Harbingers==
==Beam Harbingers==
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Beam Harbingers are essentially a well-rounded fighting doctrine, as opposed to a skirmish (Hurricanes) or sniping doctrine (Feroxes). They can opt to fight at 60-70km with Aurora crystals and out-range some other doctrines, however this is still only considered mid-range by EVE standards, and they can and will be kited at this range by Feroxes, sniper Battleships, or doctrines such as Cerberuses. Instead, Harbingers are best used as flexible mid-range brawlers  
Beam Harbingers are essentially a well-rounded fighting doctrine, as opposed to a skirmish (Hurricanes) or sniping doctrine (Feroxes). They can opt to fight at 60-70km with Aurora crystals and out-range some other doctrines, however this is still only considered mid-range by EVE standards, and they can and will be kited at this range by Feroxes, sniper Battleships, or doctrines such as Cerberuses. Instead, Harbingers are best used as flexible mid-range brawlers  


The Harbinger compares roughly equally against other T1 battlecruiser doctrines such as FCC Feroxes in terms of tank and speed, but its unique strengths are its low signature radius (due to an armor tank), superior overall damage output from its damage bonus and drone bay, and good tracking compared to railgun fitted ships, especially when utilizing a tracking computer in its mid-slots. The instant ammunition switching of laser turrets is also a useful strength
As well as being out-ranged, the Harbinger is slightly slower than the FCC Feroxes, but its unique strengths are its higher tank and low signature radius (due to an armor tank), superior overall damage output from its damage bonus and drone bay, and good tracking compared to railgun fitted ships, especially when using tracking scripts in its tracking computer in its mid-slots. The instant ammunition switching of laser turrets is also a useful strength


Given these features, its slight advantage over its comparables is in its combination of strong close ranged performance and good projection. As an example of how this might work; against a Ferox fleet, a Harbinger fleet would aim to start a fight in brawl range, taking advantage of its superior damage, tracking and signature radius, then as an opponent pulls range on you, rapidly switch through the longer range crystals to maintain damage – taking advantage of their laser’s instant ammunition switches. Most times, by the time a doctrine such as Feroxes has pulled enough range to kite you, you will have applied a substantial blow to their fleet via your superior close range damage
Given these features, its slight advantage over its comparables is in its combination of strong close ranged performance and good projection. As an example of how this might work; against a Ferox fleet, a Harbinger fleet would aim to start a fight in brawl range, taking advantage of its superior damage (630 DPS at 20km), tracking and signature radius, then as an opponent pulls range on you, rapidly switch through the longer range crystals to maintain damage – taking advantage of their laser’s instant ammunition switches. Most times, by the time a doctrine such as Feroxes has pulled enough range to kite you, you will have applied a substantial blow to their fleet via your superior close range damage. If not, now is the time to disengage


Against other doctrines with shorter ranges than the Harbinger (such as most Cruiser doctrines or actual brawlers), a Harbinger fleet may choose to pull range and snipe from up to 60km with Aurora which it can do equally effectively
While the Harbinger isnt fast at 900m/s unheated, this is still only 200m/s slower than an FCC Ferox, meaning that the Feroxes will only slowly pull range on your fleet if you can start up close


Despite their armor tank, the Harbingers have surprisingly good speed and agility, and while other ships can pull range eventually, you are likely to keep them in range for quite some time
Against other doctrines with shorter ranges than the Harbinger (such as most Cruiser doctrines or actual brawlers), a Harbinger fleet may choose to pull range and snipe from up to 70km with Aurora which it can do equally effectively


The worst case for a Harbinger fleet is to start a fight with a sniping doctrine at range already, forcing you to slowly burn in towards them. An interesting way to maximize the Harbingers effectiveness is in combination with a Command Destroyer with a Micro-Jump Field Generator. This can allow the fleet to instantly jump 100km in any direction, letting you jump on top of, or at least closer to, a kiting doctrine set up at range, or slowly pulling out of your range. With a couple of these ships, it is very difficult for any fleet to kite you out permanently
The worst case for a Harbinger fleet is to start a fight with a sniping doctrine at range already, forcing you to slowly burn in towards them. An interesting way to maximize the Harbingers effectiveness is in combination with a Command Destroyer with a Micro-Jump Field Generator. This can allow the fleet to instantly jump 100km in any direction, letting you jump on top of, or at least closer to, a kiting doctrine set up at range, or slowly pulling out of your range. With a couple of these ships, it is very difficult for any fleet to kite you out permanently
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As usual with battlecruiser fleets, you have the option to incorporate Command Bursts into the mainline DD themselves – this lets you maximize your DPS ships. However as noted above, Harbingers work well with Command Destroyers for the use of Micro Jump Field Generators, so this may be a case where you would be better placed to favor a dedicated ship for your command bursts
As usual with battlecruiser fleets, you have the option to incorporate Command Bursts into the mainline DD themselves – this lets you maximize your DPS ships. However as noted above, Harbingers work well with Command Destroyers for the use of Micro Jump Field Generators, so this may be a case where you would be better placed to favor a dedicated ship for your command bursts
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====Logi====
====Logi====
As a fighting doctrine, Harbingers need a good Logistics wing to maximize their sustained damage over the course of a pitched battle. Either the Augoror or Exequeror are fine here, although need to be MWD fitted to keep up with the mainline ships. The Augoror offers a more forgiving fitting, and better tank for Uni fleets
As a fighting doctrine, Harbingers need a good Logistics wing to maximize their sustained damage over the course of a pitched battle. Either the Augoror or Exequeror are fine here, although need to be MWD fitted to keep up with the mainline ships - so unfortunately BLAP Augorors dont work here. The Augoror does offer a more forgiving fitting however, and better tank for Uni fleets
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====Support Ships====
====Support Ships====
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As mentioned, Command Destroyers work well in this fleet, both for use of command bursts and for the MJFG. Your primary Command Bursts are your tanking ones, so there is little to choose between the Pontifex and Magus for the role. Magus is marginally preferred for skirmish boosts, but either works fine.
As mentioned, Command Destroyers work well in this fleet, both for use of command bursts and for the MJFG. Your primary Command Bursts are your tanking ones, so there is little to choose between the Pontifex and Magus for the role. Magus is marginally preferred for skirmish boosts, but either works fine.
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