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=== Broker's fee ===

'''Broker's fee''' is paid every time a sell or buy order with duration other than "immediate" is created. The broker's fee is a percentage value of the total value of the created market order. The broker's fee is paid immediately when the order is created. If the order is taken down the fee is not paid back. The minimum broker's fee is 100 ISK~~. This fee is not refunded when your order expires~~.

'''Broker's fee''' is paid every time a sell or buy order with duration other than "immediate" is created. The broker's fee is a percentage value of the total value of the created market order. The broker's fee is paid immediately when the order is created. If the order is taken down or expires the fee is not paid back. The minimum broker's fee is 100 ISK.

In NPC stations the base broker's fee is 3%. The broker fee can be reduced with {{sk|Broker Relations}} skill and [[NPC standings]].

In NPC stations the base broker's fee is 3%. The broker fee can be reduced with the {{sk|Broker Relations}} skill and [[NPC standings]].

Corporation standings contribute 2/3 of that of faction standings. Note that the ''unmodified'' standing is used for the calculation so skills that increase standings have no effect on broker's fees.

The equation for NPC broker ~~fees~~ is<ref>[https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218962-Broker-Fee-and-Sales-Tax ~~Helpdesk:~~ Broker Fee and Sales Tax]</ref>

The equation for the NPC broker's fee percentage is<ref>EVE help center: [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218962-Broker-Fee-and-Sales-Tax Broker Fee and Sales Tax]</ref>

: <math>

\displaystyle \text{Broker's fee %} = 3\% - 0.3\% \times \text{Broker Relations level} - 0.03\% \times \text{faction standing} - 0.02\% \times \text{corporation standing}

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With no skills or standing the broker's fee is 3%. With broker relations V, the broker's fee is reduced to 1.5%. With 10 faction and corp (i.e. perfect) standing the fee is further reduced to 1%.

In player owned [[Upwell structures|Upwell structure]] markets the broker's fee is set by the structure owner and is not affected by any skills. The owner may set different ~~fee~~ for different standing levels. ~~half of the paid~~ broker's fee ~~goes to the wallet~~ of ~~the corporation that owns the structure. The minimum broker~~'s fee ~~in player owned structure is 1~~%.

In player owned [[Upwell structures|Upwell structure]] markets the broker's fee is a fixed SCC surcharge of 0.5% plus a percentage set by the structure owner and is not affected by any skills. The owner may set different fees for different standing levels.

: <math>

\displaystyle \text{Broker's fee %} = 0.5\% + \text{Owner %}

</math>

Leading to a broker's fee of:

: <math>

\text{Broker's fee} = \text{Market order value} \times \text{Broker's fee %}

</math>

=== Relist fee ===

When an order is modified you will need to pay ~~more taxes. Ingame this tax is misleadingly called~~ broker's fee ~~but it is different from the~~ broker's fee ~~described above~~.

When an order is modified you will need to again pay a broker's fee. This broker's fee is reduced by a relist discount with a base reduction of 50%. The relist discount can be increased by the {{Sk|Advanced Broker Relations}} skill.

The relist fee is calculated as

The relist fee is calculated as<ref>EVE help center: [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218932 Buy and Sell Orders]</ref>

: <math>

\text{Relist fee} = ( 50\% - 6\% \times \text{Advanced Broker Relations level} ) \times \text{Broker's fee %} \times \text{New order value} + \text{Broker's fee%} \times \max ( \text{~~Order total change~~}, 0)

\text{Relist fee} = ( 100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times \text{Advanced Broker Relations level} ) ) \times \text{Broker's fee %} \times \text{New order value} + \text{Broker's fee%} \times \max ( \text{New order value} - \text{Old order value}, 0)

</math>

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Examples:

You have a sell order for ~~13000x~~ tritanium at 6.00 ISK each.

You have a sell order for 13,000x tritanium at 6.00 ISK each.

You have already sold ~~3000x~~ tritanium so there are ~~10000x~~ tritanium left in the order. ~~This is~~ total of ~~60000~~ ISK.

You have already sold 3,000x tritanium so there are 10,000x tritanium left in the order. For total order value of 60,000 ISK.

You increase the price to 7.00 ISK each. The new total ~~is 70000~~ ISK.

You increase the price to 7.00 ISK each. The new total order value becomes 70,000 ISK.

Your broker's fee after skills and standing is 1.88%. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is 4 so your relist fee is

Your broker's fee % after skills and standing is 1.88%. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is IV so your relist fee is

: <math>

: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times 4 ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 70,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( 70,000 - 60,000 ), 0 ) </math>

( 0.~~5 -~~ 0.06 \times ~~4) ×~~ 0.0188 × 70,000 + 0.0188 ~~× ( 70~~,000 \text{ ISK} - 60,000 \~~text{ ISK}~~ ) = ~~530~~.16 \text{ ISK}

</math>

: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 24\% ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 70,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( 10,000 ), 0 ) </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 26\% \times 1.88\% \times 70,000 + 1.88\% \times 10,000 </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 0.26 \times 0.0188 \times 70,000 + 0.0188 \times 10,000 </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 342.16 + 188.00 = 530.16 \text{ ISK} </math>

You have a sell order for 13,000x tritanium at 6.00 ISK each.

You have already sold 3,000x tritanium so there are 10,000x tritanium left in the order. For total order value of 60,000 ISK.

You decrease the price to 5.00 ISK each. The new total order value becomes 50,000 ISK.

Your broker's fee % after skills and standing is 1.88%. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is IV so your relist fee is

: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times 4 ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 50,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( 50,000 - 60,000 ), 0 ) </math>

: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 24\% ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 50,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( -10,000 ), 0 ) </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 26\% \times 1.88\% \times 50,000 + 1.88\% \times 0 </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 0.26 \times 0.0188 \times 50,000 + 0.0188 \times 0 </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 244.40 + 0 = 244.40 \text{ ISK} </math>

In some cases it can cost more to modify an old order than it costs to take it down and set up a new order.

You are trading in a structure with 1% broker's fee. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is 0.

You are trading in a structure with 1% broker's fee(0.5% SCC surcharge + 0.5% owners percentage). Your Advanced Broker Relations level is 0.

You have a buy order for ~~1000x~~ item A for 1k ISK each.

You have a buy order for 1,000x item A for 1k ISK each. For an order value of 1,000,000 ISK

you update the order to 10k ISK each.

you update the order to 10k ISK each. For an order value of 10,000,000 ISK

~~You will need to pay 140k ISK taxes~~ <math> ( 0.01 \times 9,000,000 + 0.5 \times 0.1 \times 10,000,000 = 140,000 ) </math>.

Relist fee:

~~If you just create new order you need to pay 100k ISK taxes~~ <math> ( 0.01 \times 10,000,000 = 100,000 ) </math>.

: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times 0 ) ) \times 1\% \times 10,000,000 + 1\% \times max ( ( 10,000,000 - 1,000,000 ), 0 ) </math>

: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - 50\% ) \times 1\% \times 10,000,000 + 1\% \times max ( ( 9,000,000), 0 ) </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 50\% \times 1\% \times 10,000,000 + 1\% \times 9,000,000 </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 0.5 \times 0.01 \times 10,000,000 + 0.01 \times 9,000,000 </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 50,000 + 90,000 = 140,000 \text{ ISK}</math>

Broker fee (Player structure):

: <math> \displaystyle 1\% \times 10,000,000 </math>

: <math> \displaystyle 0.01 \times 10,000,000 = 100,000 \text{ ISK}</math>

You will need to pay 140k ISK relist fee.

If you just create new order you need to pay 100k ISK broker's fee.

=== Sales tax ===

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{{expansion past|width=45%

|[https://www.eveonline.com/~~article~~/~~ptgdti~~/patch-notes-~~for-june~~-~~2019~~-~~release 2019~~-08-01]~~: Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed:~~

|

* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2% to 5%

'''Version 19-09 release 2021-10-19.1''' [https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-19-09#2021-10-19.1 Patch notes]

* Maximum Brokers Fee increase for NPC stations from 3% to 5%

~~Tax associated skills~~ have ~~been~~ changed:

Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed:

* ~~{{Sk|Accounting}} – Increase in reduction of sales tax~~ from 10% ~~per level~~ to 11% ~~per level~~

* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2.5% to 8%

* ~~{{Sk|Broker Relations}} – Increase in reduction of costs associated with setting up a market order~~ from 0.1% ~~per level~~ to 0.3% ~~per level~~

* Maximum Brokers Fee increased from 2.5% to 3%

~~See also [https://www.eveonline.com/article/pvewgz/updates-to-sales-taxes-and-brokers-fees Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees]~~

[https://www.eveonline.com/~~article~~/~~q67fqo~~/~~broker~~-~~relations 2020~~-03-10] ~~Relist fee added.~~

'''Version 19-05 release 2021-07-21''' ''The Grand Heist'' [https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/the-grand-heist-now-live EVE news]

~~[https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/the-grand-heist-now-live 2021-07-27]:~~

Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed. For three months Sales Tax and Brokers Fee's were cut in half as part of the "Grand Heist" release.

* Maximum Sales Tax decreased from 5% to 2.5%

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* Relist fee discount increased from 5% to 6%

[https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-~~version~~-19-~~09 2021~~-10-19]:

'''March 2020 release''' [https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-march-2020-release Patch notes][https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/broker-relations Devblog]

Relist fee added.

'''August 2019 release 2019-08-01.1''' [https://www.eveonline.com/article/ptgdti/patch-notes-for-june-2019-release Patch notes][https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/updates-to-sales-taxes-and-brokers-fees Devblog]

Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed:

* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2.5% to 8%

* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2% to 5%

* Maximum Brokers Fee ~~increased~~ from 2.5% to 3%

* Maximum Brokers Fee increase for NPC stations from 3% to 5%

Tax associated skills have been changed:

* {{Sk|Accounting}} – Increase in reduction of sales tax from 10% per level to 11% per level

* {{Sk|Broker Relations}} – Increase in reduction of costs associated with setting up a market order from 0.1% per level to 0.3% per level

}}

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 === Broker's fee ===
-'''Broker's fee''' is paid every time a sell or buy order with duration other than "immediate" is created. The broker's fee is a percentage value of the total value of the created market order. The broker's fee is paid immediately when the order is created. If the order is taken down the fee is not paid back. The minimum broker's fee is 100 ISK. This fee is not refunded when your order expires.
+'''Broker's fee''' is paid every time a sell or buy order with duration other than "immediate" is created. The broker's fee is a percentage value of the total value of the created market order. The broker's fee is paid immediately when the order is created. If the order is taken down or expires the fee is not paid back. The minimum broker's fee is 100 ISK.
-In NPC stations the base broker's fee is 3%. The broker fee can be reduced with {{sk|Broker Relations}} skill and [[NPC standings]].
+In NPC stations the base broker's fee is 3%. The broker fee can be reduced with the {{sk|Broker Relations}} skill and [[NPC standings]].
 Corporation standings contribute 2/3 of that of faction standings. Note that the ''unmodified'' standing is used for the calculation so skills that increase standings have no effect on broker's fees.
-The equation for NPC broker fees is<ref>[https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218962-Broker-Fee-and-Sales-Tax Helpdesk: Broker Fee and Sales Tax]</ref>
+The equation for the NPC broker's fee percentage is<ref>EVE help center: [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218962-Broker-Fee-and-Sales-Tax Broker Fee and Sales Tax]</ref>
 : <math>
 \displaystyle \text{Broker's fee %} = 3\% - 0.3\% \times \text{Broker Relations level} - 0.03\% \times \text{faction standing} - 0.02\% \times \text{corporation standing}
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 With no skills or standing the broker's fee is 3%. With broker relations V, the broker's fee is reduced to 1.5%. With 10 faction and corp (i.e. perfect) standing the fee is further reduced to 1%.
-In player owned [[Upwell structures|Upwell structure]] markets the broker's fee is set by the structure owner and is not affected by any skills. The owner may set different fee for different standing levels. half of the paid broker's fee goes to the wallet of the corporation that owns the structure. The minimum broker's fee in player owned structure is 1%.
+In player owned [[Upwell structures|Upwell structure]] markets the broker's fee is a fixed SCC surcharge of 0.5% plus a percentage set by the structure owner and is not affected by any skills. The owner may set different fees for different standing levels.
+: <math>
+\displaystyle \text{Broker's fee %} = 0.5\% + \text{Owner %}
+</math>
+Leading to a broker's fee of:
+: <math>
+\text{Broker's fee} = \text{Market order value} \times \text{Broker's fee %}
+</math>
 === Relist fee ===
-When an order is modified you will need to pay more taxes. Ingame this tax is misleadingly called broker's fee but it is different from the broker's fee described above.
+When an order is modified you will need to again pay a broker's fee. This broker's fee is reduced by a relist discount with a base reduction of 50%. The relist discount can be increased by the {{Sk|Advanced Broker Relations}} skill.
-The relist fee is calculated as
+The relist fee is calculated as<ref>EVE help center: [https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218932 Buy and Sell Orders]</ref>
 : <math>
-\text{Relist fee} = ( 50\% - 6\% \times \text{Advanced Broker Relations level} ) \times \text{Broker's fee %} \times \text{New order value} + \text{Broker's fee%} \times \max ( \text{Order total change}, 0)
+\text{Relist fee} = ( 100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times \text{Advanced Broker Relations level} ) ) \times \text{Broker's fee %} \times \text{New order value} + \text{Broker's fee%} \times \max ( \text{New order value} - \text{Old order value}, 0)
 </math>
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 Examples:
-You have a sell order for 13000x tritanium at 6.00 ISK each.<br>
+You have a sell order for 13,000x tritanium at 6.00 ISK each.<br>
-You have already sold 3000x tritanium so there are 10000x tritanium left in the order. This is total of 60000 ISK.<br>
+You have already sold 3,000x tritanium so there are 10,000x tritanium left in the order. For total order value of 60,000 ISK.<br>
-You increase the price to 7.00 ISK each. The new total is 70000 ISK.<br>
+You increase the price to 7.00 ISK each. The new total order value becomes 70,000 ISK.<br>
-Your broker's fee after skills and standing is 1.88%. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is 4 so your relist fee is<br>
+Your broker's fee % after skills and standing is 1.88%. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is IV so your relist fee is<br>
-: <math>
+: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times 4 ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 70,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( 70,000 - 60,000 ), 0 ) </math>
-( 0.5 - 0.06 \times 4) × 0.0188 × 70,000 + 0.0188 × ( 70,000 \text{ ISK} - 60,000 \text{ ISK} ) = 530.16 \text{ ISK}
-</math>
+: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 24\% ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 70,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( 10,000  ), 0 ) </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle 26\% \times 1.88\% \times 70,000 + 1.88\% \times 10,000 </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle 0.26 \times 0.0188 \times 70,000 + 0.0188 \times 10,000 </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle 342.16 + 188.00 = 530.16 \text{ ISK} </math>
+You have a sell order for 13,000x tritanium at 6.00 ISK each.<br>
+You have already sold 3,000x tritanium so there are 10,000x tritanium left in the order. For total order value of 60,000 ISK.<br>
+You decrease the price to 5.00 ISK each. The new total order value becomes 50,000 ISK.<br>
+Your broker's fee % after skills and standing is 1.88%. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is IV so your relist fee is<br>
+: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times 4 ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 50,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( 50,000 - 60,000 ), 0 ) </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 24\% ) ) \times 1.88\% \times 50,000 + 1.88\% \times max ( ( -10,000 ), 0 ) </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle 26\% \times 1.88\% \times 50,000 + 1.88\% \times 0 </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle 0.26 \times 0.0188 \times 50,000 + 0.0188 \times 0 </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle 244.40 + 0 = 244.40 \text{ ISK} </math>
 In some cases it can cost more to modify an old order than it costs to take it down and set up a new order.
-You are trading in a structure with 1% broker's fee. Your Advanced Broker Relations level is 0.
+You are trading in a structure with 1% broker's fee(0.5% SCC surcharge + 0.5% owners percentage). Your Advanced Broker Relations level is 0.
-You have a buy order for 1000x item A for 1k ISK each.<br>
+You have a buy order for 1,000x item A for 1k ISK each. For an order value of 1,000,000 ISK<br>
-you update the order to 10k ISK each.<br>
+you update the order to 10k ISK each. For an order value of 10,000,000 ISK<br>
-You will need to pay 140k ISK taxes <math> ( 0.01 \times 9,000,000 + 0.5 \times 0.1 \times 10,000,000 = 140,000 ) </math>.<br>
+Relist fee:
-If you just create new order you need to pay 100k ISK taxes <math> ( 0.01 \times 10,000,000 = 100,000 ) </math>.
+: <math>  \displaystyle (100\% - ( 50\% + 6\% \times 0 ) ) \times 1\% \times 10,000,000 + 1\% \times max ( ( 10,000,000 - 1,000,000 ), 0 ) </math>
+: <math>  \displaystyle (100\% - 50\% ) \times 1\% \times 10,000,000 + 1\% \times max ( ( 9,000,000), 0 ) </math>
+: <math>  \displaystyle 50\% \times 1\% \times 10,000,000 + 1\% \times 9,000,000 </math>
+: <math>  \displaystyle 0.5 \times 0.01 \times 10,000,000 + 0.01 \times 9,000,000 </math>
+: <math>  \displaystyle 0.5 \times 0.01 \times 10,000,000 + 0.01 \times 9,000,000 </math>
+: <math>  \displaystyle 50,000 + 90,000 = 140,000 \text{ ISK}</math>
+Broker fee (Player structure):
+: <math> \displaystyle 1\% \times 10,000,000 </math>
+: <math> \displaystyle 0.01 \times 10,000,000 =  100,000 \text{ ISK}</math>
+You will need to pay 140k ISK relist fee.<br>
+If you just create new order you need to pay 100k ISK broker's fee.
 === Sales tax ===
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 {{expansion past|width=45%
-|[https://www.eveonline.com/article/ptgdti/patch-notes-for-june-2019-release 2019-08-01]: Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed:
+|
-* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2% to 5%
+'''Version 19-09 release 2021-10-19.1''' [https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-19-09#2021-10-19.1 Patch notes]
-* Maximum Brokers Fee increase for NPC stations from 3% to 5%
-Tax associated skills have been changed:
+Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed:
-* {{Sk|Accounting}} – Increase in reduction of sales tax from 10% per level to 11% per level
+* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2.5% to 8%
-* {{Sk|Broker Relations}} – Increase in reduction of costs associated with setting up a market order from 0.1% per level to 0.3% per level
+* Maximum Brokers Fee increased from 2.5% to 3%
-See also [https://www.eveonline.com/article/pvewgz/updates-to-sales-taxes-and-brokers-fees Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees]
-[https://www.eveonline.com/article/q67fqo/broker-relations 2020-03-10] Relist fee added.
+'''Version 19-05 release 2021-07-21''' ''The Grand Heist'' [https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/the-grand-heist-now-live EVE news]
-[https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/the-grand-heist-now-live 2021-07-27]:
 Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed. For three months Sales Tax and Brokers Fee's were cut in half as part of the "Grand Heist" release.
 * Maximum Sales Tax decreased from 5% to 2.5%
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 * Relist fee discount increased from 5% to 6%
-[https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-19-09 2021-10-19]:
+'''March 2020 release''' [https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-for-march-2020-release Patch notes][https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/broker-relations Devblog]
+Relist fee added.
+'''August 2019 release 2019-08-01.1''' [https://www.eveonline.com/article/ptgdti/patch-notes-for-june-2019-release Patch notes][https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/updates-to-sales-taxes-and-brokers-fees Devblog]
 Market sales taxes and broker fees have changed:
-* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2.5% to 8%
+* Maximum Sales Tax increased from 2% to 5%
-* Maximum Brokers Fee increased from 2.5% to 3%
+* Maximum Brokers Fee increase for NPC stations from 3% to 5%
+Tax associated skills have been changed:
+* {{Sk|Accounting}} – Increase in reduction of sales tax from 10% per level to 11% per level
+* {{Sk|Broker Relations}} – Increase in reduction of costs associated with setting up a market order from 0.1% per level to 0.3% per level
 }}