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==Beam Harbingers==
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| valign="middle" style="padding:4px;" | Much like the [[Hyperkittens]], Alpha Birds are a cheap skirmishing frigate doctrine, used as an introduction for FC’s into skirmish tactics. They use Light Missiles to avoid any complications which would arise from turret tracking considerations, and also benefit substantially from a huge range (up to 60km with good skills), and high volley damage which, in numbers, can be enough to volley smaller targets off the field similar to [[BLAP Talwars]]
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| valign="middle" style="padding:4px;" | Beam Harbingers follow a fairly standard fitting philosophy for T1 Battlecruiser doctrines – using long range weapons (beam lasers in this case) to project up to a  substantial range, while still holding a decent tank and reasonable close range application for brawling
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Beam Harbingers are a solid all-rounder of a combat doctrine. They lack the double range bonus of the Ferox, or the high volley damage of the Hurricane, instead gaining a larger overall damage boost, and marginally improved tracking. In general, Harbingers are usually considered a second tier doctrine for most groups, but they still make for an effective, well rounded fleet – and one which can sometimes surprise an opponent due to not being as ubiquitous as Feroxes or Hurricanes
 
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==Implementation==
 
==Implementation==
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Beam Harbingers are essentially a well-rounded fighting doctrine, as opposed to a skirmish (Hurricanes) or sniping doctrine (Feroxes). They can opt to fight at 60-70km with Aurora crystals and out-range some other doctrines, however this is still only considered mid-range by EVE standards, and they can and will be kited at this range by Feroxes, sniper Battleships, or doctrines such as Cerberuses. Instead, Harbingers are best used as flexible mid-range brawlers
  
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The strengths of the Alpha Bird are its excellent speed, excellent range, and its utility mid slot (discussed more in the fitting section below)
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As well as being out-ranged, the Harbinger is slightly slower than the FCC Feroxes, but its unique strengths are its higher tank and low signature radius (due to an armor tank), superior overall damage output from its damage bonus and drone bay, and good tracking compared to railgun fitted ships, especially when using tracking scripts in its tracking computer in its mid-slots. The instant ammunition switching of laser turrets is also a useful strength
  
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The paper thin tank of Alpha Birds means more than ever that taking any damage at all is fairly disastrous for the fleet. Alpha Birds therefore work best at long range (even outside of Warp Disrupter range) where they can volley opponents. As a skirmish doctrine, the optimal situation is where you can anchor up on your FC, pull range from a fleet which is chasing you, or a fight which is already occurring, and circle round at 40-50km, picking off soft targets with your LML volleys
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Given these features, its slight advantage over its comparables is in its combination of strong close ranged performance and good projection. As an example of how this might work; against a Ferox fleet, a Harbinger fleet would aim to start a fight in brawl range, taking advantage of its superior damage (630 DPS at 20km), tracking and signature radius, then as an opponent pulls range on you, rapidly switch through the longer range crystals to maintain damage – taking advantage of their laser’s instant ammunition switches. Most times, by the time a doctrine such as Feroxes has pulled enough range to kite you, you will have applied a substantial blow to their fleet via your superior close range damage. If not, now is the time to disengage
  
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Against smaller gangs, you may close range to apply your warp disrupters to hold something on grid, however this is likely only once/if you have established grid supremacy
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While the Harbinger isnt fast at 900m/s unheated, this is still only 200m/s slower than an FCC Ferox, meaning that the Feroxes will only slowly pull range on your fleet if you can start up close
  
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The low sustained DPS (and high volley damage) means that numbers are important to make Alpha Birds work. A high skill player can deal around 1k volley damage, however with Uni pilots, the expectation should be set closer to 600-700. 10 Alpha birds can therefore take out most T1 frigates in a single volley. 20 can instantly kill T2 Frigates, Destroyers etc
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Against other doctrines with shorter ranges than the Harbinger (such as most Cruiser doctrines or actual brawlers), a Harbinger fleet may choose to pull range and snipe from up to 70km with Aurora which it can do equally effectively
  
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Light Missile skirmish doctrines such as this are a staple of the game right the way from Kestrels, to Talwars, to Caracals, and the Alpha Birds are a cheap and simple introduction to this essential part of EVE Online fleets. However some FCs may wish to skip directly to Talwars due to their slightly higher tank and volley damage, for only a marginal increase in SP and ISK cost. Alpha Birds however get the advantage of relative unfamiliarity, compared to the very widely known Talwar doctrine, and are more frequently underestimated
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The worst case for a Harbinger fleet is to start a fight with a sniping doctrine at range already, forcing you to slowly burn in towards them. An interesting way to maximize the Harbingers effectiveness is in combination with a Command Destroyer with a Micro-Jump Field Generator. This can allow the fleet to instantly jump 100km in any direction, letting you jump on top of, or at least closer to, a kiting doctrine set up at range, or slowly pulling out of your range. With a couple of these ships, it is very difficult for any fleet to kite you out permanently
  
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Other LML or RLML ships are the worst enemy of the Alpha Bird, as they can match your range, and apply damage regardless of your speed and tracking. Brawling ships are your natural prey, as they will be largely unable to apply to your ships at range. It should also be noted that the excellent speed of the Alpha Bird allows you to outrun most drones should your opponent deploy them
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Multifrequency is your highest damage and default ammunition for brawling. Aurora is your best long range damage for those with T2 guns, or Radio for T1. Standard crystals are your mid-range choice. Given you will swap crystals frequently and rapidly, its easiest to call for colors – Red = Radio/Aurora, White = Multifrequency, Yellow - Standard
  
 
==Fleet Composition and Fits==
 
==Fleet Composition and Fits==
  
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The basic Alpha Bird is a very simple fit. The only layer of complexity sits with the utility mid-slot. A wide selection of EWAR can, and should, be spread across the fleet in this slot. Damps, and Tracking Disrupters will help limit your opponent’s ability to apply damage to you, while Target Painters will maximize your damage application on a target
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====Primary DD Fit====
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The only real point of contention of a Harbinger fleet is the mid slots. An MWD and Cap Booster are essential to allow mobility and cap stability respectively, yet this leaves two mid-slots free. At least one is used for a tracking computer, usually with tracking speed script loaded by default. The second can be used for unbonused EWAR – Damps are often used to shut down enemy kiting ships or Logi. However for simplicity, and also to compensate for low skills, the Uni suggested fit below uses two tracking computers instead. Scripts should be swapped depending on engagement tactics, and also on skills – if a pilot cannot reach the range that the fleet is fighting at, the scripts can be used to assist with this
  
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As you rely almost entirely on not getting hit in this doctrine, the preference is for the defensive EWAR modules such as Damps
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As usual with battlecruiser fleets, you have the option to incorporate Command Bursts into the mainline DD themselves – this lets you maximize your DPS ships. However as noted above, Harbingers work well with Command Destroyers for the use of Micro Jump Field Generators, so this may be a case where you would be better placed to favor a dedicated ship for your command bursts
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Use Faction Missiles (even if you have T2 skills) due to the range bonus they provide
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====Logi====
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As a fighting doctrine, Harbingers need a good Logistics wing to maximize their sustained damage over the course of a pitched battle. Either the Augoror or Exequeror are fine here, although need to be MWD fitted to keep up with the mainline ships - so unfortunately BLAP Augorors dont work here. The Augoror does offer a more forgiving fitting however, and better tank for Uni fleets
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====Alpha Bird====
 
 
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====Support Ships====
 
====Support Ships====
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Support ships are fairly standard – Interceptors for scouts, Interdictors for bubbles.
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A Huginn or two for long webs can be very useful for taking down smaller scouts or tackle trying to get under your guns, or for ships trying to pull range
  
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The ability to spread EWAR through your mainline ships reduces the need for dedicated EWAR ships, however their bonused modules can still be very useful additions. In particular, ECM such as the [[Griffin]], can be very useful, as this is the one EWAR module which is inefficient when fitted on the Alpha Bird (due to the need to have a range of racial jammers)
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As mentioned, Command Destroyers work well in this fleet, both for use of command bursts and for the MJFG. Your primary Command Bursts are your tanking ones, so there is little to choose between the Pontifex and Magus for the role. Magus is marginally preferred for skirmish boosts, but either works fine.
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Beam Harbingers

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 Beam Harbingers follow a fairly standard fitting philosophy for T1 Battlecruiser doctrines – using long range weapons (beam lasers in this case) to project up to a substantial range, while still holding a decent tank and reasonable close range application for brawling

Beam Harbingers are a solid all-rounder of a combat doctrine. They lack the double range bonus of the Ferox, or the high volley damage of the Hurricane, instead gaining a larger overall damage boost, and marginally improved tracking. In general, Harbingers are usually considered a second tier doctrine for most groups, but they still make for an effective, well rounded fleet – and one which can sometimes surprise an opponent due to not being as ubiquitous as Feroxes or Hurricanes

Implementation

Beam Harbingers are essentially a well-rounded fighting doctrine, as opposed to a skirmish (Hurricanes) or sniping doctrine (Feroxes). They can opt to fight at 60-70km with Aurora crystals and out-range some other doctrines, however this is still only considered mid-range by EVE standards, and they can and will be kited at this range by Feroxes, sniper Battleships, or doctrines such as Cerberuses. Instead, Harbingers are best used as flexible mid-range brawlers

As well as being out-ranged, the Harbinger is slightly slower than the FCC Feroxes, but its unique strengths are its higher tank and low signature radius (due to an armor tank), superior overall damage output from its damage bonus and drone bay, and good tracking compared to railgun fitted ships, especially when using tracking scripts in its tracking computer in its mid-slots. The instant ammunition switching of laser turrets is also a useful strength

Given these features, its slight advantage over its comparables is in its combination of strong close ranged performance and good projection. As an example of how this might work; against a Ferox fleet, a Harbinger fleet would aim to start a fight in brawl range, taking advantage of its superior damage (630 DPS at 20km), tracking and signature radius, then as an opponent pulls range on you, rapidly switch through the longer range crystals to maintain damage – taking advantage of their laser’s instant ammunition switches. Most times, by the time a doctrine such as Feroxes has pulled enough range to kite you, you will have applied a substantial blow to their fleet via your superior close range damage. If not, now is the time to disengage

While the Harbinger isnt fast at 900m/s unheated, this is still only 200m/s slower than an FCC Ferox, meaning that the Feroxes will only slowly pull range on your fleet if you can start up close

Against other doctrines with shorter ranges than the Harbinger (such as most Cruiser doctrines or actual brawlers), a Harbinger fleet may choose to pull range and snipe from up to 70km with Aurora which it can do equally effectively

The worst case for a Harbinger fleet is to start a fight with a sniping doctrine at range already, forcing you to slowly burn in towards them. An interesting way to maximize the Harbingers effectiveness is in combination with a Command Destroyer with a Micro-Jump Field Generator. This can allow the fleet to instantly jump 100km in any direction, letting you jump on top of, or at least closer to, a kiting doctrine set up at range, or slowly pulling out of your range. With a couple of these ships, it is very difficult for any fleet to kite you out permanently

Multifrequency is your highest damage and default ammunition for brawling. Aurora is your best long range damage for those with T2 guns, or Radio for T1. Standard crystals are your mid-range choice. Given you will swap crystals frequently and rapidly, its easiest to call for colors – Red = Radio/Aurora, White = Multifrequency, Yellow - Standard

Fleet Composition and Fits

Primary DD Fit

The only real point of contention of a Harbinger fleet is the mid slots. An MWD and Cap Booster are essential to allow mobility and cap stability respectively, yet this leaves two mid-slots free. At least one is used for a tracking computer, usually with tracking speed script loaded by default. The second can be used for unbonused EWAR – Damps are often used to shut down enemy kiting ships or Logi. However for simplicity, and also to compensate for low skills, the Uni suggested fit below uses two tracking computers instead. Scripts should be swapped depending on engagement tactics, and also on skills – if a pilot cannot reach the range that the fleet is fighting at, the scripts can be used to assist with this

As usual with battlecruiser fleets, you have the option to incorporate Command Bursts into the mainline DD themselves – this lets you maximize your DPS ships. However as noted above, Harbingers work well with Command Destroyers for the use of Micro Jump Field Generators, so this may be a case where you would be better placed to favor a dedicated ship for your command bursts

Harbinger T2
Harbinger: Harbinger T2
EFT
[Harbinger, Harbinger T2]
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Small Capacitor Booster II
Optical Compact Tracking Computer
Optical Compact Tracking Computer

Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

Aurora M x6
Gleam M x6
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x6
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
Navy Cap Booster 400 x29

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RECOMMENDED SKILLS
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Harbinger T1
Harbinger: Harbinger T1
EFT
[Harbinger, Harbinger T1]
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Small Capacitor Booster II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II

Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x6
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M x6
Imperial Navy Microwave M x6
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
Navy Cap Booster 400 x29

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LATEST
ALPHA CAN USE
NO
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
NOTES


Harbinger Command Burst
Harbinger: Harbinger Command Burst
EFT
[Harbinger, Harbinger Command Burst]
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Focused Medium Beam Laser II
Armor Command Burst II

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Small Capacitor Booster II
Optical Compact Tracking Computer
Optical Compact Tracking Computer

Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Co-Processor II
Heat Sink II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5

Aurora M x6
Gleam M x6
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x6
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
Navy Cap Booster 400 x29

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EFT
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Logi

As a fighting doctrine, Harbingers need a good Logistics wing to maximize their sustained damage over the course of a pitched battle. Either the Augoror or Exequeror are fine here, although need to be MWD fitted to keep up with the mainline ships - so unfortunately BLAP Augorors dont work here. The Augoror does offer a more forgiving fitting however, and better tank for Uni fleets

T1 MWD Aug
Augoror: T1 MWD Aug
EFT
[Augoror, T1 MWD Aug]
Medium Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Medium Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Medium Coaxial Compact Remote Armor Repairer
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter

50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
F-90 Compact Sensor Booster, ECCM Script
F-23 Compact Remote Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script

IFFA Compact Damage Control
Energized Thermal Membrane II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
800mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Energized Explosive Membrane II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Acolyte II x4

ECCM Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1

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Support Ships

Support ships are fairly standard – Interceptors for scouts, Interdictors for bubbles. A Huginn or two for long webs can be very useful for taking down smaller scouts or tackle trying to get under your guns, or for ships trying to pull range

As mentioned, Command Destroyers work well in this fleet, both for use of command bursts and for the MJFG. Your primary Command Bursts are your tanking ones, so there is little to choose between the Pontifex and Magus for the role. Magus is marginally preferred for skirmish boosts, but either works fine.

Support Magus
Magus: Support Magus
EFT
[Magus, Support Magus]
Armor Command Burst II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II
Skirmish Command Burst II

1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Micro Jump Field Generator
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler

Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating
Corpii B-Type Explosive Plating
Damage Control II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates

Small Command Processor I
Small Trimark Armor Pump II


Hobgoblin II x3
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x2

Barrage S x2400
Armor Energizing Charge x300
Rapid Repair Charge x300
Armor Reinforcement Charge x300
Evasive Maneuvers Charge x300
Rapid Deployment Charge x300

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