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==TAG!==
  
 
Well, time for my own Abyss guide. Because why not :)
 
Well, time for my own Abyss guide. Because why not :)
 
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Temp notepad:<br>
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General idea - take a ship, make 50 runs, and that will give you enough ISK to upgrade for another Tier. It doesn't work as well as I intended, and I need to stretch the definition of "afford to upgrade". What does work though - each ship as described here is very safe. I did dozens of runs so far on each Tier, and never lost a ship (currently running T2s, it might change with higher Tiers!). Fits are also overtanked, and last section (coming in the late, late future) will use this fact. <br>
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50 runs of tier - ISK earned<br>
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T0 - 35M<br>
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So far we got:
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T1 - 140M<br>
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* T0 - ships costs about 31M, and makes about 770k / run. It's terrible, but it's a first step. Payback is 3h - not bad. You will need approximately 50 runs to upgrade into T1 (ship stays the same).
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T2 - 300M<br>
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* T1 - ship is about 90M, which is expensive. It makes about 3.2M per run, and payback is 8h. You will need just a bit over 60 runs to get new ship for T2s (if you factor sale of T1 ship - 50 runs might be enough)
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T3 - 650M<br>
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* T2 - ship is about 200M. Again, more than my ideal 50 runs, but it's a terrible guide ;) Currently it makes around 3.5M per run, and payback is 10h.
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T4 - 1.5B<br>
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* T3 - 500M ISK spend. That's a significant investment, but it's comparable to other T3 ships, and is not that bad. After 80 runs on average it makes 6.7M ISK /run, with payback of 12.5h
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T5 - 3.4B<br>
 
 
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General idea - take a ship, make 50 runs, and that will give you enough ISK to upgrade for another Tier. Should work? Maybe not? Don't know yet :) <br>
 
  
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==Why?==
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=Why?=
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Well, there are several good guides, I might as well make a Terrible one. Initial idea was to use Caldari missile ships and go for different Tiers in different ship sizes - but that doesn't really work as I'd like it, as when you go up a tier and also up a ship size, it gets more difficult, but not more profitable. So preferably you'd skip Tiers, but that's a bad idea - progression jumps way too hard, and I find it risky (as my friend said: "Too chicken for that") <br>
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Well, there are several good guides, I might as well make a Terrible one. Initial idea was to use Caldari missile ships and go for different Tiers in different ship sizes - but that doesn't really work as I'd like it, as when you go up a tier and also up a ship size, it gets more difficult, but not more profitable. So preferably you'd skip Tiers, but that's a bad idea - first of all, I'm not experienced in Abyss, so I can't test it myself :D <br>
 
 
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The plan has changed then - to use only one ship 'family' - Caldari Cruisers with HAMs - and have progression going up in step-by-step way. I 'think' that Caracal -> Caracal Navy -> Cerberus offers good enough progression, so let's try to make it :)<br>
 
The plan has changed then - to use only one ship 'family' - Caldari Cruisers with HAMs - and have progression going up in step-by-step way. I 'think' that Caracal -> Caracal Navy -> Cerberus offers good enough progression, so let's try to make it :)<br>
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{{Color box|Initially when creating this guide I wanted to say 'Feel free to start anywhere on the path' and call it good enough. But that's not really true - I found myself that running a lot of Abyss gives you experience in running Abyss (duh!), and that's invaluable. Yes, my ships are ISK-tanked and are generally safe - but the more experience you get, the better you will be at running Abyss. Do A LOT of each tier, and you'll be fine :)|width=50%}}
 
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=Step 1 - you'll get bored=
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==Step 1 - you'll get bored==
 
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| high4typeID=25707
 
| high5name=Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
 
| high5name=Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
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| mid5name=X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
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| high5typeID=25707
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| mid5typeID=4025
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| mid1name=Medium Clarity Ward Enduring Shield Booster
 
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| mid1typeID=10868
 
| mid2name=10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
 
| mid2name=10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
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| mid4name=Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
 
| mid4name=Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
 
| mid4typeID=4871
 
| mid4typeID=4871
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| mid5name=Stalwart Restrained Shield Boost Amplifier
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| mid5name=X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
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| mid5typeID=16533
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| low1name=Damage Control II
 
| low1name=Damage Control II
 
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| charge1name=Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x10000
 
| charge1name=Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x10000
 
| charge1typeID=20307
 
| charge1typeID=20307
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| charge2name=Tranquil Dark Filament x60
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| charge2name=Tranquil Dark Filament x1
 
| charge2typeID=56132
 
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| skills=Advanced Weapon Upgrades I</li><li>Caldari Cruiser IV</li><li>Energy Grid Upgrades IV</li><li>Missile Lanucher Operation IV</li><li>Heavy Assault Missiles IV</li><li>Hull Upgrades IV</li><li>Shield Management/Operation IV</li><li>Tactical Shield Manipulation IV
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| skills=Advanced Weapon Upgrades I</li><li>Caldari Cruiser IV</li><li>Energy Grid Upgrades IV</li><li>Missile Lanucher Operation IV</li><li>Heavy Assault Missiles IV</li><li>Hull Upgrades IV</li><li>Shield Management/Operation IV</li><li>Tactical Shield Manipulation IV<br><br><br>See "Notes" for my stats in that fit.
 
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| notes=</li>[[File:T0_Dark_-_Chris_Halsky.png|center|250px]]
 
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Why would you run T0s in Caracal?<br>
 
Why would you run T0s in Caracal?<br>
 
Well, good question, and I wouldn't - but it's a first step. Other missile ships do not have 'clean' progression, and I tried Abyss in Caldari Cruisers, going up step by step. Feel free to skip whatever step you don't like.<br>
 
Well, good question, and I wouldn't - but it's a first step. Other missile ships do not have 'clean' progression, and I tried Abyss in Caldari Cruisers, going up step by step. Feel free to skip whatever step you don't like.<br>
 
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Running this one, given you have decent skills (and decent skills are generally needed - aim for IV in whatever looks like it fits) is super easy. Orbit cache (you might send drones to kill it), web stuff, shoot stuff, done. Fit is cap stable, and should have no issues at all in T0. Along the way start upgrading your fit towards T1 - when you feel like you're ready, go to T1 :)
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Running this one, given you have decent skills (and decent skills are generally needed - aim for IV in whatever looks like it fits) is super easy. Orbit cache (you might send drones to kill it), web stuff, shoot stuff, done. Fit is cap stable, and should have no issues at all in T0. Along the way start upgrading your fit towards T1 - when you feel like you're ready, go to T1 :)<br>
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Notable spawns:
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* Ephialtes - will stay out of your web range - ram it. Just like that, Approach it with everything on, web it, kill it.
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* Skybreaker - will mangle your drones if you are too close. Recall drones, web it, kill it.
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* <span style="background:#893014">Orange cloud of Cap Issues</span> - if you're inside you need to watch your cap. And do not run your Shield Booster all the time.<br>
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* <span style="color:#000000; background:#CCCCCC">White cloud of zoooom</span> - while inside, you will not be able to recall your drones - they will fly past you. And you might run into the wall.
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My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/15876 <br>
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==Step 2 - "Impecunious"==
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{{ShipFitting
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| ship=Caracal
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| fitName= T1 Dark
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| fitID= T1 Dark
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| high1name=Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
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| high1typeID=25707
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| high2name=Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
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| high2typeID=25707
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| high3name=Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
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| high3typeID=25707
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| high4name=Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
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| high4typeID=25707
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| high5name=Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
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| high5typeID=25707
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| mid1name=Dread Guristas Medium Shield Booster
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| mid1typeID=13949
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| mid2name=10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
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| mid2typeID=35656
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| mid3name=Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
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| mid3typeID=2281
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| mid4name=Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
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| mid4typeID=4871
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| mid5name=X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
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| mid5typeID=4025
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| low1name=Damage Control II
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| low1typeID=2048
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| low2name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low2typeID=22291
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| low3name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low3typeID=22291
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| low4name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low4typeID=22291
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| rig1name=Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
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| rig1typeID=31378
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| rig2name=Medium Ancillary Current Router II
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| rig2typeID=31366
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| rig3name=Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
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| rig3typeID=31724
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| charge1name=Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x6
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| charge1typeID=27413
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| charge2name=Calm Dark Filament
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| charge2typeID=47762
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| drone1name=Caldari Navy Hornet x2
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| drone1typeID=31872
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| skills=
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| showSKILLS=N
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| notes=</li>[[File:T1_Dark_-_Chris_Halsky.png|center|250px]]
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| showNOTES=N
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| showTOC=N
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| alphacanuse=N
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}}
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But it is bad!<br>
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This is just an evolution of T0 fit. It does have some upgrades though:
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* Faction Drones and Ammo - as we need DPS. As much DPS as possible*
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* Faction Shield Booster - it's better, and we need it for T2 anyway (edit: in the end I decided for different T2 fit. Sorry!)
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* T2 rigs - as we need PG<br>
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It does need more time per run - assume that you need 50%-100% more to complete a run than T0s. So if you get T0 runs over 10:00 - get better missile skills, or you'll race the clock.<br>
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It flies almost the same as T0, with one exception - way less cap. It HAS TO be cap stable, to make easier runs - but if you encounter Neuts (rare in T1, but can happen) or Orange Cloud start switching your booster on and off - you'll need it anyway for higher tiers<br>
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Profitabliy: Not greatest. It is less profitable than T0 fit, if you collect only Bioadaptive Caches. Treat it as training exercise - we'll get to better runs later :)<br>
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<br>
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Notable spawns:
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* Leshak - orbit at 10km, and he won't hit you. Will move around, watch for red wall.
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* Vila whatever - ignore swarmers completely, they can't hit anything.
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* Karybdis Tyrannos - orbit at 15km and shoot with all you got.
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* Tessera (drone BC) - will try to kill your drones. And it will do it fast. Do not send out drones.
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* 3x Devoted Hunter - stay at range. They will hurt a bit, but if you remove them fast it will be ok.
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* Attacker Marshal - will not break your tank. Uses missiles, so get close to web it - but keep moving fast.
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* Devoted Knight - Neuts. Orbit at 20, so neuts are not so bad.
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* Photic Abyssal Overmind - Drone BS. Will hit hard, but misses a lot - try to orbit them at 5km
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* Cynabal - Neuts, Webs, and brings friends. Stay at 20km, shoot, when he gets close and webs you - web him back
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My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/15927 <br>
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{|class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
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|+ Runs breakdown
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|- style="background-color: #222222;"
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! style="color:wheat; width:30em" | Variant
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Min Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Average Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Max Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Average ISK
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Average ISK/h
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! style="width: 30em; color:wheat;" | Comment
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|-
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| Default fit<br>Navy Missiles, only Bioadaptive Cache looted || 6:29 || 8:16 || 9:52 || 1,04M || 7,5M || Average of 20 runs. All runs with T1 Dark fit, from 18.09 till 28.09 on Abyss Tracker. Run times are very consistent, and never went above 10:00. So I did trial number 2 below.
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| Cheaper runs<br>Normal missiles, only Bioadaptive Cache || 6:30 || 8:49 || 11:10 || 1,42M || 9,66M || Marginally slower, but better ISK/h - due to lower missile price. Run times also generally consistent (slowest run - 2x Photic BS, which took some time). Next trial - with MTU.
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| Greedy<br>Normal missiles, MTU to collect all nodes || 8:47 || 11:43 || 15:04 || 2,85M || 14,63M || Surprising. Significant time increase, but also ISK/h increase.
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|}
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My conclusion (feel free to disagree) - test your fit. If you are sure that longer run times will not be a problem - get T1/T2 ammo instead faction. If you are then sure you have enough time - start MTU shanenigans, even if it means a bit more time. It might not be that clear in higher tiers though.
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==Step 3 - In the navy... ==
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{{ShipFitting
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| ship=Caracal Navy Issue
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| fitName= T2 Dark
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| fitID= T2 Dark
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| high1name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high1typeID=25715
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| high2name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high2typeID=25715
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| high3name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high3typeID=25715
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| high4name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high4typeID=25715
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| high5name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high5typeID=25715
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| high6name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high6typeID=25715
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| mid1name=Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
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| mid1typeID=19187
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| mid2name=10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
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| mid2typeID=6005
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| mid3name=Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
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| mid3typeID=2281
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| mid4name=Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
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| mid4typeID=41218
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| mid5name=X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
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| mid5typeID=4025
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| mid6name=Shield Boost Amplifier II
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| mid6typeID=24443
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| low1name=Damage Control II
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| low1typeID=2048
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| low2name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low2typeID=22291
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| low3name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low3typeID=22291
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| rig1name=Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II
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| rig1typeID=31760
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| rig2name=Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
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| rig2typeID=31378
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| rig3name=Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
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| rig3typeID=31378
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| charge1name=Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x5000
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| charge1typeID=27413
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| charge2name=Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x5000
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| charge2typeID=2679
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| charge3name=Agitated Dark Filament x1
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| charge3typeID=47892
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| drone1name=Caldari Navy Hornet x5
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| drone1typeID=31872
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| skills=
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| showSKILLS=N
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| notes=</li>[[File:T2_Dark_-_Chris_Halsky.png|center|250px]]
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| showNOTES=N
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| difficulty=1
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| version=2024.1.3
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| showTOC=N
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| alphacanuse=N
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}}
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Navy Caracal? Why is that?<br>
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Well, we need to reach DPS target, and normal Caracal was not enough. Fit is also a bit different:
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* Deadspace Shield Booster. It's pricy, but I felt like it's needed (it should be possible to run without it, but I tend to patch my bad skills with ISK).
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* Thermal rig instead of EM. Two reasons - first, EDENCOM ships deal Thermal damage, and they are not affected by turret penalty. Second - it aligns better with next steps, as EM will always be our worst resist.
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* T2 Launchers - DPS!<br>
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Which missiles?<br>
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Good question! I didn't knew it myself before I started T2s. There are 2 options:
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* Navy missiles + Rage against BSes - that seems to be good option, but eats a lot of ISK from every run
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* Rage missiles only - the most "paper DPS", but worse application. But we have web, so maybe application is good?
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There was no other way to be sure, than to test it! So I did - 20 runs of each method, to compare average run times and average ammo cost.<br>
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{|class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
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|+ Runs breakdown
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|- style="background-color: #222222;"
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! style="color:wheat; width:30em" | Variant
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Min Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Average Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Max Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Consumables cost<ref>Includes filament cost, but it's negligible</ref>
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! style="width: 30em; color:wheat;" | Comment
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|-
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| Faction missiles, Rage only against BS || 8:29 || 10:30 || 13:01 || 900k || Almost 1M for missiles. Ooof, takes out quite a chunk of ISK. Only biocache looted.
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|-
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| Only Rage missiles. || 10:31 || 13:00 || 20:00+<ref>I cheated. I could not kill 6 Damaviks, application was not enough. I would've failed one run, so I switched to Navy missiles for one pocket</ref> || 98k || Definitely slower, but 800k saved per run. Doesn't mean much in ISK, but longer run time hurts a lot. Not worth it.
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|}
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<references />
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Well, be reasonable. Rages are cheaper, but can't run everything - so use Faction ammo where necessary.
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Notable spawns:
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* Devoted Knight & 4x Devoted Hunters - will break your tank if you're not fast. Load Faction ammo, shoot Knight first
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* 3x Cynabals - looks scary, but they will come close, and you're quite resistant to Neuts, so take them one by one and it's good. You will be webbed to stop though.
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* Arrester Marshal - will web you and hit you hard. It is the perfect justification of Thermal rig - it 'almost' breaks your tank. Overheat if needed.
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* 2x Tessera + 4x Webbing Tessellas - you should not approach them, let Tesselas come to you and kill them first. If you get 4x webbed between two Tessera, you'll have a problem
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* Harrowing Vedmak + a lot of Damaviks - Vedmak will try to kite you. Either pilot to web it, or overheat your web to get more range
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My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/16599 <br>
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===What about Exotic?===
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Ha, good question! Since we're running Scourge missiles (why change, when next step has Cerberus that is Kinteic locked anyway?), Exotic Abyss looks promising. Expectations:
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* More DPS = faster clear times.
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* Kinetic penalty = more damage taken.
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* No range penalty = much more damage taken!
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* We're slower = a bit more damage taken, but that's not the issue. We will travel for longer, so longer clear times?
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* Better web efficiency - enemies in Darks move 50% faster (kinda, it's complex) when webbed, in Exotics not - so webs will be fully effective
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Hard to say if it's better or not, or if it's even feasible. Should be, but nothing can't be said without 20 test runs :)
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Exotic notes:
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* Faster run times due to 'better' DPS, lower ammo use, but tank is a bit weaker
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* It is worth having Standard Blue Pill in cargo, just in case of difficult spawns
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{|class="wikitable" style="text-align: center;"
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|+ Runs breakdown
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|- style="background-color: #222222;"
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! style="color:wheat; width:30em" | Variant
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Min Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Average Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Max Time
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! style="width: 8em; color:wheat;" | Consumables cost
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! style="width: 30em; color:wheat;" | Comment
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|-
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| Exotics, 40 runs || 6:51 || 09:12|| 12:10 || ~750k || As expected. Exotics are quite good with heavy Kinetic bonus.
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|}
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Notable spawns:
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* 2x Devoted Knight - they will apply much sooner, and they will break your tank. Overheat liberally, get close to kill one ASAP
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== Step 4 - Κέρβερος ==
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<tabs>
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<tab name="Dark Configuration">
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{{ShipFitting
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| ship=Cerberus
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| fitName= T3 Dark
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| fitID= T3 Dark
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| high1name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high1typeID=25715
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| high2name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high2typeID=25715
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| high3name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high3typeID=25715
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| high4name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high4typeID=25715
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| high5name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high5typeID=25715
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| high6name=Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
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| high6typeID=25715
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| mid1name=Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
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| mid1typeID=19203
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| mid2name=Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
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| mid2typeID=41218
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| mid3name=X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
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| mid3typeID=4025
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| mid4name=X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
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| mid4typeID=4025
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| mid5name=10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
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| mid5typeID=35656
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| low1name=Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
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| low1typeID=31952
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| low2name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low2typeID=22291
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| low3name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low3typeID=22291
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| low4name=Ballistic Control System II
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| low4typeID=22291
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| rig1name=Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
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| rig1typeID=31724
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| rig2name=Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
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| rig2typeID=31594
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Cerberus. Big leap in investment - T3 variant is almost 500M.<br>
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 +
General strategy: Remove bigest threats, go to biocache (optional - drop MTU and send drones for side loot), loot, go towards gate. Ideally you want to be at gate when killing last enemies. Some tend to stay just outside of your web range, so chasing them around might be necessary - it's faster to move towards enemy to web it that to linger at the gate for longer. Additionally it's beneficial to loot biocache on the way towards larger enemies, as it saves time by not needing to go back, and you generally need to approach at an angle anyway. <br>
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 +
Notable differences:
 +
* More tank and more DPS - check skills in fit above for what I had when I did my runs
 +
* Less capacitor excess - you need to manage your cap well. Shwitch Bosoter off if not needed, let capacitor recharge between rooms
 +
* Way more range. No more hugging before you shoot - with 30km HAM range you can attack way sooner
 +
* Drones are useless - send them out, but don't count on any meaningful DPS
 +
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 +
 
 +
Configurations:<br>
 +
Fit has Multispectrum Shield Hardener in cargo. The base idea was to have it in two main configurations:
 +
* Double Web - for Darks (lower tank requirements, but web efficiency is lowered)
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* Web + Hardener - for Exotics<br>
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| Exotics, 40 runs || 9:55 || 8.62M || 52.13 M ISK/h
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| Darks, 40 runs || 11:00 || 7.51M || 40.94 M ISK/h
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<references /><br>
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Notable spawns:
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* <span style="color:red">3x Starving Leshaks - potentially a kill room. Other Unista lost that Cerberus in such room, not know for now what the proper strategy should be. Recommendation - take Javelin Missiles to be able to stay outside ot Neut Optimal range (30km).</span>
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* 3x Cynabals (out of which 2 are Elite) - that did break my tank. I popped Blue Pill, and it was ok. Keep in mind that drawbacks (application and capacitor) might cause different problems, but I'd rather have cap management issues with lower DPS, than lose the ship completely. Pre-rolling Blue Pill is possible, but seems... excessive.
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** Angel room - after few more encounters, it's perfectly doable if you keep your target priorities right (Cynabal before Elite Cynabal, Elite Hunters if in range before Cynabals, Furies). Do not approach them straight on, it's better to go 'sideways' and remove one from distance
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* 3x Marshal - They hit a lot. Overheat booster as needed, orbit them at longer distance, kill one fast - after one is dead (Neuting ones are priority) it becomes easy
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* 3x Leshak - not dangerous, but they 'startburst' from initial location. Close distance fast, kill the one running away from you if possible.
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* Karen - hits hard, so as always - keep transversal up
 +
* Sansha room - Neuts are absolute priority. Devoted Knights with few Smiths will drain you very fast, you should prioritize them and stay at range initially
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My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/cf86d089-6f58-4ba6-8530-2e32a3a1b439 <br>
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== Step 5 - Garm of hounds ==
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This time a bit different. No Dark configuration - because of damage lock only Exotic makes sense. Also - pre-rolled Standard Crash is absolutely necessary. It does improve application so much that run times - even with more enemies - are comparable to T3s. Requires full head of implants, and very good skills (I had most missiles skilsl on IV or V). It's also very safe - no close calls :)
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Notable spawns:
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* 3x Cynabal + 2x Elite Cynabal + 2x Elite Dramiel + some other small stuff. Fun! Easy if you take out Cynabals first to reduce incoming DPS
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* 5x Leshaks inside white cloud - they starbursted to 50km from gate, had to chase them around - no issues, except wasted time
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* Tessellas - surprisingly, the sheer amount of them makes them dangerous. Avoid stopping directly between them, remove Webs, it'll be ok
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* 4x Devoted Knight + a lot of Heralds. Heralds will disrupt your guidance, and Knights will stay at distance - so they will be out of your range. Kill Heralds fast (assuming no other EWAR) and overheat liberally if needed
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Latest revision as of 10:58, 2 June 2024

TAG!

Well, time for my own Abyss guide. Because why not :)

General idea - take a ship, make 50 runs, and that will give you enough ISK to upgrade for another Tier. It doesn't work as well as I intended, and I need to stretch the definition of "afford to upgrade". What does work though - each ship as described here is very safe. I did dozens of runs so far on each Tier, and never lost a ship (currently running T2s, it might change with higher Tiers!). Fits are also overtanked, and last section (coming in the late, late future) will use this fact.

So far we got:

  • T0 - ships costs about 31M, and makes about 770k / run. It's terrible, but it's a first step. Payback is 3h - not bad. You will need approximately 50 runs to upgrade into T1 (ship stays the same).
  • T1 - ship is about 90M, which is expensive. It makes about 3.2M per run, and payback is 8h. You will need just a bit over 60 runs to get new ship for T2s (if you factor sale of T1 ship - 50 runs might be enough)
  • T2 - ship is about 200M. Again, more than my ideal 50 runs, but it's a terrible guide ;) Currently it makes around 3.5M per run, and payback is 10h.
  • T3 - 500M ISK spend. That's a significant investment, but it's comparable to other T3 ships, and is not that bad. After 80 runs on average it makes 6.7M ISK /run, with payback of 12.5h


Why?

Well, there are several good guides, I might as well make a Terrible one. Initial idea was to use Caldari missile ships and go for different Tiers in different ship sizes - but that doesn't really work as I'd like it, as when you go up a tier and also up a ship size, it gets more difficult, but not more profitable. So preferably you'd skip Tiers, but that's a bad idea - progression jumps way too hard, and I find it risky (as my friend said: "Too chicken for that")

The plan has changed then - to use only one ship 'family' - Caldari Cruisers with HAMs - and have progression going up in step-by-step way. I 'think' that Caracal -> Caracal Navy -> Cerberus offers good enough progression, so let's try to make it :)


Initially when creating this guide I wanted to say 'Feel free to start anywhere on the path' and call it good enough. But that's not really true - I found myself that running a lot of Abyss gives you experience in running Abyss (duh!), and that's invaluable. Yes, my ships are ISK-tanked and are generally safe - but the more experience you get, the better you will be at running Abyss. Do A LOT of each tier, and you'll be fine :)


Step 1 - you'll get bored



Caracal: T0 Dark
EFT
[Caracal, T0 Dark]
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I

Medium Clarity Ward Enduring Shield Booster
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer I


Hornet I x2

Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x10000
Tranquil Dark Filament x1

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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
2023.9.13
ALPHA CAN USE
YES
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
  • Advanced Weapon Upgrades I
  • Caldari Cruiser IV
  • Energy Grid Upgrades IV
  • Missile Lanucher Operation IV
  • Heavy Assault Missiles IV
  • Hull Upgrades IV
  • Shield Management/Operation IV
  • Tactical Shield Manipulation IV


    See "Notes" for my stats in that fit.
NOTES
  • T0 Dark - Chris Halsky.png


Why would you run T0s in Caracal?
Well, good question, and I wouldn't - but it's a first step. Other missile ships do not have 'clean' progression, and I tried Abyss in Caldari Cruisers, going up step by step. Feel free to skip whatever step you don't like.

Running this one, given you have decent skills (and decent skills are generally needed - aim for IV in whatever looks like it fits) is super easy. Orbit cache (you might send drones to kill it), web stuff, shoot stuff, done. Fit is cap stable, and should have no issues at all in T0. Along the way start upgrading your fit towards T1 - when you feel like you're ready, go to T1 :)

Notable spawns:

  • Ephialtes - will stay out of your web range - ram it. Just like that, Approach it with everything on, web it, kill it.
  • Skybreaker - will mangle your drones if you are too close. Recall drones, web it, kill it.
  • Orange cloud of Cap Issues - if you're inside you need to watch your cap. And do not run your Shield Booster all the time.
  • White cloud of zoooom - while inside, you will not be able to recall your drones - they will fly past you. And you might run into the wall.


My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/15876

Step 2 - "Impecunious"



Caracal: T1 Dark
EFT
[Caracal, T1 Dark]
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I

Dread Guristas Medium Shield Booster
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II


Caldari Navy Hornet x2

Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x6
Calm Dark Filament

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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
2023.9.19
ALPHA CAN USE
NO
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
NOTES
  • T1 Dark - Chris Halsky.png


But it is bad!
This is just an evolution of T0 fit. It does have some upgrades though:

  • Faction Drones and Ammo - as we need DPS. As much DPS as possible*
  • Faction Shield Booster - it's better, and we need it for T2 anyway (edit: in the end I decided for different T2 fit. Sorry!)
  • T2 rigs - as we need PG

It does need more time per run - assume that you need 50%-100% more to complete a run than T0s. So if you get T0 runs over 10:00 - get better missile skills, or you'll race the clock.

It flies almost the same as T0, with one exception - way less cap. It HAS TO be cap stable, to make easier runs - but if you encounter Neuts (rare in T1, but can happen) or Orange Cloud start switching your booster on and off - you'll need it anyway for higher tiers

Profitabliy: Not greatest. It is less profitable than T0 fit, if you collect only Bioadaptive Caches. Treat it as training exercise - we'll get to better runs later :)

Notable spawns:

  • Leshak - orbit at 10km, and he won't hit you. Will move around, watch for red wall.
  • Vila whatever - ignore swarmers completely, they can't hit anything.
  • Karybdis Tyrannos - orbit at 15km and shoot with all you got.
  • Tessera (drone BC) - will try to kill your drones. And it will do it fast. Do not send out drones.
  • 3x Devoted Hunter - stay at range. They will hurt a bit, but if you remove them fast it will be ok.
  • Attacker Marshal - will not break your tank. Uses missiles, so get close to web it - but keep moving fast.
  • Devoted Knight - Neuts. Orbit at 20, so neuts are not so bad.
  • Photic Abyssal Overmind - Drone BS. Will hit hard, but misses a lot - try to orbit them at 5km
  • Cynabal - Neuts, Webs, and brings friends. Stay at 20km, shoot, when he gets close and webs you - web him back


My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/15927

Runs breakdown
Variant Min Time Average Time Max Time Average ISK Average ISK/h Comment
Default fit
Navy Missiles, only Bioadaptive Cache looted		 6:29 8:16 9:52 1,04M 7,5M Average of 20 runs. All runs with T1 Dark fit, from 18.09 till 28.09 on Abyss Tracker. Run times are very consistent, and never went above 10:00. So I did trial number 2 below.
Cheaper runs
Normal missiles, only Bioadaptive Cache		 6:30 8:49 11:10 1,42M 9,66M Marginally slower, but better ISK/h - due to lower missile price. Run times also generally consistent (slowest run - 2x Photic BS, which took some time). Next trial - with MTU.
Greedy
Normal missiles, MTU to collect all nodes		 8:47 11:43 15:04 2,85M 14,63M Surprising. Significant time increase, but also ISK/h increase.


My conclusion (feel free to disagree) - test your fit. If you are sure that longer run times will not be a problem - get T1/T2 ammo instead faction. If you are then sure you have enough time - start MTU shanenigans, even if it means a bit more time. It might not be that clear in higher tiers though.

Step 3 - In the navy...



Caracal Navy Issue: T2 Dark
EFT
[Caracal Navy Issue, T2 Dark]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Medium Thermal Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


Caldari Navy Hornet x5

Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x5000
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x5000
Agitated Dark Filament x1

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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
2024.1.3
ALPHA CAN USE
NO
EFT
SKILLS
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RECOMMENDED SKILLS
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Navy Caracal? Why is that?
Well, we need to reach DPS target, and normal Caracal was not enough. Fit is also a bit different:

  • Deadspace Shield Booster. It's pricy, but I felt like it's needed (it should be possible to run without it, but I tend to patch my bad skills with ISK).
  • Thermal rig instead of EM. Two reasons - first, EDENCOM ships deal Thermal damage, and they are not affected by turret penalty. Second - it aligns better with next steps, as EM will always be our worst resist.
  • T2 Launchers - DPS!


Which missiles?
Good question! I didn't knew it myself before I started T2s. There are 2 options:

  • Navy missiles + Rage against BSes - that seems to be good option, but eats a lot of ISK from every run
  • Rage missiles only - the most "paper DPS", but worse application. But we have web, so maybe application is good?

There was no other way to be sure, than to test it! So I did - 20 runs of each method, to compare average run times and average ammo cost.

Runs breakdown
Variant Min Time Average Time Max Time Consumables cost[1] Comment
Faction missiles, Rage only against BS 8:29 10:30 13:01 900k Almost 1M for missiles. Ooof, takes out quite a chunk of ISK. Only biocache looted.
Only Rage missiles. 10:31 13:00 20:00+[2] 98k Definitely slower, but 800k saved per run. Doesn't mean much in ISK, but longer run time hurts a lot. Not worth it.
  1. ^ Includes filament cost, but it's negligible
  2. ^ I cheated. I could not kill 6 Damaviks, application was not enough. I would've failed one run, so I switched to Navy missiles for one pocket

Well, be reasonable. Rages are cheaper, but can't run everything - so use Faction ammo where necessary.

Notable spawns:

  • Devoted Knight & 4x Devoted Hunters - will break your tank if you're not fast. Load Faction ammo, shoot Knight first
  • 3x Cynabals - looks scary, but they will come close, and you're quite resistant to Neuts, so take them one by one and it's good. You will be webbed to stop though.
  • Arrester Marshal - will web you and hit you hard. It is the perfect justification of Thermal rig - it 'almost' breaks your tank. Overheat if needed.
  • 2x Tessera + 4x Webbing Tessellas - you should not approach them, let Tesselas come to you and kill them first. If you get 4x webbed between two Tessera, you'll have a problem
  • Harrowing Vedmak + a lot of Damaviks - Vedmak will try to kite you. Either pilot to web it, or overheat your web to get more range


My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/16599

What about Exotic?

Ha, good question! Since we're running Scourge missiles (why change, when next step has Cerberus that is Kinteic locked anyway?), Exotic Abyss looks promising. Expectations:

  • More DPS = faster clear times.
  • Kinetic penalty = more damage taken.
  • No range penalty = much more damage taken!
  • We're slower = a bit more damage taken, but that's not the issue. We will travel for longer, so longer clear times?
  • Better web efficiency - enemies in Darks move 50% faster (kinda, it's complex) when webbed, in Exotics not - so webs will be fully effective

Hard to say if it's better or not, or if it's even feasible. Should be, but nothing can't be said without 20 test runs :)
Exotic notes:

  • Faster run times due to 'better' DPS, lower ammo use, but tank is a bit weaker
  • It is worth having Standard Blue Pill in cargo, just in case of difficult spawns
Runs breakdown
Variant Min Time Average Time Max Time Consumables cost Comment
Exotics, 40 runs 6:51 09:12 12:10 ~750k As expected. Exotics are quite good with heavy Kinetic bonus.

Notable spawns:

  • 2x Devoted Knight - they will apply much sooner, and they will break your tank. Overheat liberally, get close to kill one ASAP

Step 4 - Κέρβερος


Cerberus: T3 Dark
EFT
[Cerberus, T3 Dark]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-603
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II


Caldari Navy Hornet x3

Nanite Repair Paste x50
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x8000
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x2000
Standard Blue Pill Booster x1
Fierce Dark Filament x1
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II x1

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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
2024.1.24
ALPHA CAN USE
NO
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
  • Heavy Assault Cruisers IV
  • Heavy Assault Missiles Sepcialization IV
  • Warhead Upgrades IV
  • Other missiles skills at IV
  • Shiemd Management V
  • Shield Operation V
  • Shield Compensation V
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  • T3 Dark - Chris Halsky.png
Cerberus: T3 Exotic
EFT
[Cerberus, T3 Exotic]
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Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II x1
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-603
Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II


Caldari Navy Hornet x3

Nanite Repair Paste x50
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x8000
Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x2000
Standard Blue Pill Booster x1
Fierce Dark Filament x1
X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier

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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
2024.1.24
ALPHA CAN USE
NO
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
  • Heavy Assault Cruisers IV
  • Heavy Assault Missiles Sepcialization IV
  • Warhead Upgrades IV
  • Other missiles skills at IV
  • Shiemd Management V
  • Shield Operation V
  • Shield Compensation V
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Cerberus. Big leap in investment - T3 variant is almost 500M.

General strategy: Remove bigest threats, go to biocache (optional - drop MTU and send drones for side loot), loot, go towards gate. Ideally you want to be at gate when killing last enemies. Some tend to stay just outside of your web range, so chasing them around might be necessary - it's faster to move towards enemy to web it that to linger at the gate for longer. Additionally it's beneficial to loot biocache on the way towards larger enemies, as it saves time by not needing to go back, and you generally need to approach at an angle anyway.

Notable differences:

  • More tank and more DPS - check skills in fit above for what I had when I did my runs
  • Less capacitor excess - you need to manage your cap well. Shwitch Bosoter off if not needed, let capacitor recharge between rooms
  • Way more range. No more hugging before you shoot - with 30km HAM range you can attack way sooner
  • Drones are useless - send them out, but don't count on any meaningful DPS


Configurations:
Fit has Multispectrum Shield Hardener in cargo. The base idea was to have it in two main configurations:

  • Double Web - for Darks (lower tank requirements, but web efficiency is lowered)
  • Web + Hardener - for Exotics


Runs breakdown
Variant Time 80[1] ISK/Run 80 ISK/Hour 80
Exotics, 40 runs 9:55 8.62M 52.13 M ISK/h
Darks, 40 runs 11:00 7.51M 40.94 M ISK/h
  1. ^ From Abyss Tracker advanced stats


Notable spawns:

  • 3x Starving Leshaks - potentially a kill room. Other Unista lost that Cerberus in such room, not know for now what the proper strategy should be. Recommendation - take Javelin Missiles to be able to stay outside ot Neut Optimal range (30km).
  • 3x Cynabals (out of which 2 are Elite) - that did break my tank. I popped Blue Pill, and it was ok. Keep in mind that drawbacks (application and capacitor) might cause different problems, but I'd rather have cap management issues with lower DPS, than lose the ship completely. Pre-rolling Blue Pill is possible, but seems... excessive.
    • Angel room - after few more encounters, it's perfectly doable if you keep your target priorities right (Cynabal before Elite Cynabal, Elite Hunters if in range before Cynabals, Furies). Do not approach them straight on, it's better to go 'sideways' and remove one from distance
  • 3x Marshal - They hit a lot. Overheat booster as needed, orbit them at longer distance, kill one fast - after one is dead (Neuting ones are priority) it becomes easy
  • 3x Leshak - not dangerous, but they 'startburst' from initial location. Close distance fast, kill the one running away from you if possible.
  • Karen - hits hard, so as always - keep transversal up
  • Sansha room - Neuts are absolute priority. Devoted Knights with few Smiths will drain you very fast, you should prioritize them and stay at range initially


My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/cf86d089-6f58-4ba6-8530-2e32a3a1b439

Step 5 - Garm of hounds



Cerberus: T4 Exotics
EFT
[Cerberus, T4 Exotics]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II

Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner

Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile x10000
Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Assault Missile x20000
Nanite Repair Paste x50
Standard Blue Pill Booster x5
Standard Crash Booster x20

Medium EM Shield Reinforcer II
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II


Caldari Navy Hornet x3

Mid-grade Crystal Alpha x1
Mid-grade Crystal Beta x1
Mid-grade Crystal Gamma x1
Mid-grade Crystal Delta x1
Mid-grade Crystal Epsilon x1
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Power Grid Management EG-603 x1
Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Assault Missiles AM-703 x1
Zainou 'Deadeye' Guided Missile Precision GP-803 x1
Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903 x1
Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003 x1

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FITTING DIFFICULTY
EVE VERSION
2024.4.17
ALPHA CAN USE
NO
EFT
SKILLS
NOTES
RECOMMENDED SKILLS
  • HAC V
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This time a bit different. No Dark configuration - because of damage lock only Exotic makes sense. Also - pre-rolled Standard Crash is absolutely necessary. It does improve application so much that run times - even with more enemies - are comparable to T3s. Requires full head of implants, and very good skills (I had most missiles skilsl on IV or V). It's also very safe - no close calls :)


Notable spawns:

  • 3x Cynabal + 2x Elite Cynabal + 2x Elite Dramiel + some other small stuff. Fun! Easy if you take out Cynabals first to reduce incoming DPS
  • 5x Leshaks inside white cloud - they starbursted to 50km from gate, had to chase them around - no issues, except wasted time
  • Tessellas - surprisingly, the sheer amount of them makes them dangerous. Avoid stopping directly between them, remove Webs, it'll be ok
  • 4x Devoted Knight + a lot of Heralds. Heralds will disrupt your guidance, and Knights will stay at distance - so they will be out of your range. Kill Heralds fast (assuming no other EWAR) and overheat liberally if needed


My runs: https://abysstracker.com/fit/bbc7ee57-a62f-4233-9daf-84ebbf15acdc


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