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Guide to Combat Logistics
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{{related class|Logistics (CORE class)}}'''Logistics''' refers to ships and modules that provide remote repair support to other ships. "Local" repair—in which a ship repairs itself—is ''not'' considered "logistics" in EVE. In this way, logistics ships in EVE are similar to the "healer" character classes you find in many other online multiplayer games; logistics pilots usually assist their fleetmates by restoring their hitpoints during battle.
  
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The act of hauling items is also often referred as logistics. See [[Hauling]] for details on that.
  
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==Remote Repair vs. Local Repair==
  
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One, very intuitive reason for including logistics ships in fleets is so that damage dealers can focus on their own role; by having logistics ships manage repair, the other, combat-oriented ships in the fleet can fit more modules, rigs, and implants dedicated to damage-dealing. But another, less intuitive justification is that logistics ships are often ''better'' at repairing other ships than those ships are at repairing themselves.
  
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== Introduction ==
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The biggest effect however is that a squad of logistics ships can focus all of their remote repair modules on a single target. In comparison, in a group of self-repairing ships, only the ship taking damage can use its repair modules. This makes remote repairing the only practical method of repairing in larger fleets.
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At a strategic level, being able to procure, manufacture, supply, and maintain Ivy League Naval, (ILN), operations is the mission of EVE University naval logistics. In a combat engagement, self-preservation of one’s ship verses the destruction of an opponent’s assets, is the goal of pilots and fleet commanders. With effective combat logistical support, a fleet with fewer members on the grid than their opponents can win during a hasty or a well-prepared engagement. This guide is intended for Logistics Ships pilots or those interested in learning how to pilot a logistics ship. The guide will begin by attempting to define what combat logistics is and concentrating on Remote Support Services (RSS). Followed by the skills, ships, modules, and tactics one might use in order to be an effective combat logistics pilot.
 
  
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== Skills ==
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* {{sk|Shield Emission Systems}} - 5% reduction per level to capacitor consumption of remote shield boosters. Does not apply to capital modules.
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* {{sk|Capital Shield Emission Systems}} - 5% reduction per level to capacitor consumption of capital remote shield boosters.
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* {{sk|Remote Armor Repair Systems}} - 5% reduction per level to capacitor consumption of remote armor repairers. Does not apply to capital modules.
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* {{sk|Capital Remote Armor Repair Systems}} - 5% reduction per level to capacitor consumption of capital remote armor repairers. Applies only to capital modules.
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* {{sk|Capacitor Emission Systems}} - 5% reduction per level to capacitor consumption of remote capacitor transmitters. Does not apply to capital modules.
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* {{sk|Capital Capacitor Emission Systems}} - 5% reduction per level to capacitor consumption of capital remote capacitor transmitters.
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* {{sk|Repair Drone Operation}} - 5% increased repair drone repair amount per level.
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In addition to the general logistics skills the hull specific racial ship skills are very important as they drastically improve logistics ship repair amounts and reduce remote repair capacitor usage.
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Additionally [[capacitor]] skills are very important for logistics role. Cap chained ships receive plenty of capacitor from their capacitor transmitters but solo ships often have to rely purely on their own capacitor.
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General [[tanking]], [[targeting]] and [[fitting]] skills are of course also important.
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== Modules ==
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Remote repair can be used to restore HP to a ship's shield, armor, or hull, via multiple different types of high-slot, remote repair modules. These modules have some important differences.
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|[[File:Icon_remote_armor_repair_i.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Remote armor repairer}}''' repairs armor on the targeted ship.
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* Repair happens at the end of the module cycle.
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** Tests indicate that the calculation of the repair amount also occurs at the end of the module cycle, not at module activation.
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** This is relevant when the remote repair ship moves from module optimal range into module falloff range, or vice versa, during the module cycle.
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* Uses less capacitor per repair amount than remote shield booster.
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Also comes in ancillary variant. Ancillary remote armor repairers be loaded with nanite repair paste. While the module has paste it repairs almost twice as much as T2 variant but after the paste runs out it repairs a bit over half of T2 variant.
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|[[File:Icon_heavy_mutadaptive_remote_armor_repair_i.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Mutadaptive remote armor repairer}}''' repairs armor on the target ship.
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* Repair happens at the end of the module cycle.
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* Repair amount ramps up as the module is kept on the same target.
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* Can only be fitted on the Triglavian logistics ships [[Rodiva]] and [[Zarmazd]].
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|[[File:Icon_shield_transporter_i.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Remote shield booster}}''' repairs shield on the targeted ship.
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* Repair happens at the beginning of the module cycle.
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* Uses more capacitor per repair amount than remote armor repairer.
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Also comes in ancillary variant. Ancillary remote shield boosters can be loaded with capacitor booster charges. While the module has capacitor boosters it consumes no capacitor at all, but once the charges run out it consumes 2.7x as much capacitor as T2 variant. It repairs about 40% more than T2 variant even when it does not have cap charges.
  
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== Logistics Definitions ==
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Logistics is the infrastructure that is tasked with manufacturing, refitting, repairing, and/or resupplying of fleets, ships and/or pilots for EVE University to build and sustain offensive and defensive naval fleet actions. The mission of ILN logistics is to provide friendly fleets, ships and pilots with extended services, in which they would normally be unable to provide on their own.
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|[[File:Icon_remote_hull_repair_i.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Remote hull repairer}}''' repairs hull on the targeted ship. These types of remote repairers are almost never used.
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* Repair happens at the end of the module cycle.
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* Very slow and capacitor hungry.  
  
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=== Logistics Categories ===
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|[[File:Icon_remote_capacitor_transmitter_i.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Remote capacitor transmitter}}''' transmits capacitor to the target ship. With hull bonuses, skills and rigs these modules can be used to generate capacitor out of nothing.
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|[[File:Drone_caldari_light.png|64px|link=|]]
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|Remote repair drones for shield, armor and hull come in small, light and heavy sizes totaling nine different drones.
  
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*'''Non-Combat Logistics:''' An encompassing term meaning an organization and procedures for procuring, manufacturing, and transporting the materials needed to build and maintain support services to ILN ships, fleets, and/or pilots. Generally, this support is received during non-combat, with enemy ships not on-grid.  
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|[[File:Module icon armor rig tech1.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Remote repair augmentor}}''' reduces capacitor usage of remote armor repairers at the cost of ship max velocity.
  
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*'''Combat Logistics:''' Ship and/or pilots employed in such a manner as to supply positive offensive and/or defensive bonuses to another ship and/or fleet. Support received in a combat environment with enemy forces on-grid or expectations of soon appearing on-grid.  
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* '''Combat Logistics Classes:'''  
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|[[File:Module_icon_engineering_rig_tech.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Egress Port Maximizer}}''' reduces capacitor usage of capacitor transmitters.
  
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* '''Direct Support:''' Where the benefiting ship must be target locked to receive offensive and/or defensive bonuses.  
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|[[File:Module_icon_drone_rig.png|link=|]]
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|'''{{co|wheat|Drone repair augmentor}}''' Increases logistics drone repair amount at the cost of CPU capacity.
  
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* '''Indirect Support:''' Where the benefiting ship is not target locked, but is receiving positive bonuses from another fleet, ship, and/or pilot.  
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|[[File:Icon_implant_hardwiring.png|link=|]]
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|'''Implants'''  
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* {{co|wheat|Inherent Implants 'Noble' Remote Armor Repair Systems}} RA-7xx series - slot 7 - 1% to 6% reduced capacitor need for remote armor repair modules.
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* {{co|wheat|Zainou ‘Gnome’ Shield Emission Systems}} SE-8xx series - slot 8 - 1% to 6% reduced capacitor need for remote shield boosting modules.
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* {{co|wheat|Savior}} pirate implant set - reduced remote armor repair cycle duration. Only applies to subcapital modules.
  
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'''Non-combat Logistics''' For a discussion of providing non-direct combat logistics via leadership skills, Gang Link modules, and Fleet bonuses, see Command Ship and Leadership. Another indirect non-combat logistics support example would be an Orca providing ship hauling and/or refitting in its maintenance bay and cargoholds. For Fleet Replenishment, a type of logistics in general terms, see hauler. Generally, non-combat logistics will be discussed only in passing.
 
  
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=== Combat Logistics ===
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===Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairers===
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Combat Logistics is often referred to in EVE and on the EVE forums as Remote Repping, RR, or logistics.
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[[File:Rodiva_vs_exequror.png|thumb|right|Remote repair of [[Exequror]] with standard T2 remote repairers compared to [[Rodiva]] with T2 mutadaptive remote repairers. Both with all V skills.]]
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A more stringent definition of the Logistics Class of Direct Combat Logistics support is: One ship providing a target-locked ship with a positive benefit, (offensive/defensive), via the use of one or more of the following modules:
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Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairers are a type of remote armor repairer. Only Heavy (Medium) versions exists, and they can only be fitted onto a [[Rodiva]] or [[Zarmazd]]. Only one Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairer can be fit onto a ship, which substitutes for multiple conventional remote armor repairers. The mutadaptive repairers have a spooling effect, where they will repair more HP the longer they have been active on a target. It takes 15 cycles (90 seconds) for a Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairer to reach full strength. Mutadaptive Amor Repairers have no Falloff range and will deactivate immediately upon their target leaving optimal range, and if deactivated for any reason reset to their minimum effectiveness.
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*Energy transfer arrays
 
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*Projected ECCM
 
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Indirect Combat Logistics support is: One ship and/or pilot providing a non-target fleet, ship and/or pilot with positive benefits via one or more of the following:
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===Ancillary Remote Repair Modules===
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*Gang Link Modules  
 
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== Skills ==
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Ancillary Remote Shield Boosters and Ancillary Remote Armor Repairers consume charges in exchange for repairs. In general, both ancillary remote armor repairers and ancillary remote shield boosters are used to provide a quick burst of remote repair over a few module cycles, which consume all of the module's loaded charges. Once this happens, ancillary remote repair modules must undergo an extremely slow reload before they can be used in charge-boosted mode again. As a result, ancillary remote repair modules do not improve on the overall repair rate of standard remote repair modules—the combination of boosted repair and the long reload time results in an averaged HP/time that is similar to ordinary remote repair modules—but they can be used to front-load these repairs.
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What skills are required for the Combat Logistics Pilot?
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Ancillary remote shield boosters (ARSBs) are loaded with cap booster charges. While many different charge sizes can fit in ARSBs, they receive no additional benefits from larger charges, so they should always be loaded with smallest charges that fit in. ARSBs have two advantages over standard, Tech I shield boosters: they deliver almost double the shield boost of a standard shield booster for 9 module cycles, and they require no capacitor when operated with cap booster charges. ARSBs also receive all of the ship bonuses that standard remote shield boosters do. These are significant advantages. Shield logistics ships are often capacitor-limited, and so delivering repairs without the need for capacitor not only helps them contribute longer, but also makes them more resistant against enemy capacitor warfare. And an initial, powerful shield boost might be just what your fleet needs at the beginning of a fight, when incoming alpha damage is at its greatest.
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Nevertheless, ARSBs have some clear drawbacks. When the ARSB module runs out of cap booster charges, the logistics pilot has two choices: either wait for a 60-second reload, or use the module without charges, which costs three times as much capacitor as the standard module (Most shield logistics ships don't have enough capacitor for the second option). As is true for local ancillary repair modules, only one ARSB can be fit to a ship, so logistics pilots with an ASRB fitted will also have to use standard shield boosters. And finally, while ARSBs compare well against standard Tech I modules, they don't look quite as strong compared to meta, Tech II, faction or deadspace shield boosters; they have shorter range, and sometimes worse fitting, than many of these other options. In particular, Tech II logistics ships are probably better fit with standard shield boosters, because Tech II ships are less capacitor-limited. On the other hand, groups of Tech I {{sh|Scythe}} pilots could benefit significantly by fitting ARSBs, so that they can boost each other through the initial wave of damage that is frequently aimed at logistics. Although ARSBs are very new and rare—they can only be manufactured from blueprint copies found via exploration or ratting—they may still find a niche in low-skill logistics.
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Ancillary Remote Armor Repairers (ARARs) are loaded with nanite repair paste. They are similar to ARSBs in that they deliver more HP repair—more than double that of a standard, Tech I remote repair module—at the expense of charges. ARARs consume nanite repair paste instead of cap boosters, and they can only be loaded with eight cycles worth of charges instead of nine. More significantly, ARARs consume capacitor whether they are loaded with paste or not, but they only repair 1/3 as much HP when they are operated without paste. Just like ARSBs, ARARs have a 60-second reload time that limits the average repair efficiency of the modules. You can only fit a maximum of one, and ARARs compare poorly against meta, Tech II, faction and deadspace repairers in fitting and overall efficiency. But, as with ARSBs, they can be used for a short burst of repairs at the beginning of an engagement.
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===Remote capacitor transmitters===
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Remote Capacitor Transmitters consume capacitor on the fitted ship, and transfer that capacitor to a targeted fleetmate. After skill and potential hull and rig bonuses the amount of capacitor transmitted can be greater than what was consumed allowing ships with this module to generate capacitor out of nowhere.
  
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=== Core Skills ===
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When fit to a Caldari or Amarr logistics cruiser, on the other hand, these modules can generate hundreds of capacitor units for other ships in the fleet, at significant ranges. Most commonly, this extra capacitor is transferred to other logistics ships in a capacitor chain (or "cap chain"). In cap-chain logistics, a squad of logistics ships simultaneously give and receive capacitor to each other as a means of increasing their available capacitor. (Cap-chain logistics is described further in the [[Logistics_Guide#Cap-Chain_Logistics|tactics]] section.)
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These skills are the minimum to be able to pilot and perform RSS operations with a Tech 1 logistics ship.
 
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* Racial Cruiser – Minimum true Logistics ship, and one of the following skills.  
 
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* Energy Emission Systems – permits use of Energy Transfer Arrays.  
 
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* Remote Armor Repair Systems – permits use of Remote Armor Repair Systems.
 
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* Sensor Linking – permits use of Remote Sensor Boosters and Tracking Links.  
 
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== Characteristics of different remote repair types ==
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While your fitting will depend on what your player skills will allow, the ideal combat logistics pilot should try to balance RSS capability and capacitor stability.
 
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* Electronics – An increase to a ship’s CPU by 5% per skill level.
 
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* Energy Grid Upgrades – A skill with a 5% reduction in CPU needs per skill level.
 
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* Energy Management – A 5% per skill level increase to your ship’s overall energy capacity helps your ability to remain capacitor stable.
 
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* Energy Systems Operations – A 5% reduction in Cap recharge rate per skill level.
 
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* Engineering – An increase to a ship’s Power Grid by 5% per skill level.
 
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* Long Range Targeting – A requirement to fly Tech 2 logistics ships; and even though you may not be able to use some RSS as far as you can target, it is always a good idea to be able to lock a target as far out as you can for situation assessment.
 
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* Repair Systems - Decreases repairer cycle time.
 
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* Signature Analysis – A 5% per skill level improved targeting speed is beneficial, this skill is also necessary to fly Tech 2 Logistics ships.
 
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Logistics pilots seldom get to choose whether to fly armor or shield logistics; they are always expected to fly whatever logistics type matches their fleet's doctrine. Still, logistics pilots do have to pilot shield and armor ships differently, according to their strengths and limitations.
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[[File:Remote_repair_range_comparison.png|thumb|right|Comparison on repair range of remote shield and armor repairers. Remote armor repairer is able to provide full repair effect to longer range than shield booster. But at longer ranges shield booster is able to provide bigger partial repair than armor repairer.]]
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* Armor Compensation skills – A 5% per skill level to armor resistance type.
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* Overall, remote shield boosters and armor repairers restore HP at the same rate. Neither of these repair modes is inherently better than the other. They do have differences, however, that make each one preferable under certain circumstances.
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* Drone Durability - Required for Repair Drone Operation. Increases survivability of drones by a small amount.
 
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* Electronic Warfare – Required to use Projected ECCM modules.  
 
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* Hull Upgrades – A 5% increase in structure HP per skill level.  
 
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=== Implants ===
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* Remote shield boosters deliver repair at the beginning of the module cycle while remote armor repairers deliver repair at the end of the module cycle. Due to this it is much easier to not waste repair cycles with shield boosters. One downside of flying armor logistics is that, sometimes, your armor-tanked fleetmates will die faster than the cycle time of your remote armor repair modules. When this happens, each module's repair cycle is lost; the target of the remote armor repairer no longer exists, and so when the module completes its cycle, nothing gets repaired. Another issue is over repairing where multiple repair modules get activated on the target but at the end of the module cycles only few of them are enough to bring the target back to full health, wasting the other module cycles.
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''Suppose to be a chart''
 
  
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Slot Basic Bonus Reduced Capacitor Needs
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* Remote armor repairers require less capacitor than remote shield boosters. Not only do armor repairers require less capacitor per cycle, they are also more cap efficient (requiring less cap per repair amount) relative to shield boosters. This means that armor-repairing ships have more cap room for other active modules, and are less sensitive to enemy neutralizers and Nosferatus, than shield-boosting ships. Because of their cap efficiency, armor logistics ships are more practical for activities where cap stability may be an issue.
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*7 Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Noble' ZET20 series 1% to 5% remote armor repair system modules.
 
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*8 Hardwiring - Zainou ‘Gnome’ KXA500 series 1% to 5% shield emission system modules.
 
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* Remote shield boosters deliver more HP/cycle, so they have more repair "alpha". Combat ships are sometimes judged by how much damage they can deliver in their first ("alpha") volley. Logistics ships can be compared by a very similar measure, by how much damage they can repair in their initial repair cycle. By this measure, remote shield boosters are better than remote armor repairers—they repair more damage, right away.
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Technically speaking, almost any ship could be used for RSS. Ships the size of frigates all the way up to capital sized ships have the ability to be RSS ships if the pilot has the skill to fit and use the logistics modules. However, there are ships designed with special bonuses that are more suited for RSS, and this guide will focus on that category of ships and pilots. The mentioning of non-specific RSS ships will be made for comparison purposes, only.  
 
  
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* Remote armor repairers have longer optimal range than remote shield boosters. Armor logistics ships can stay farther away from the action, and still deliver 100% of their repping power, compared to shield logistics ships.
  
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* Remote shield boosters have longer falloff range than remote armor boosters. Shield logistics ships are able to deliver partial but still good repair efficiency from further away than equivalent armor ship.
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These Tech 1 cruisers have one specific area of RSS, with an increase in support range and a reduction in capacitor usage of such modules. Also, some ships generally have a minor bonus to a secondary effect. These ships require the racial cruiser skill of 1.  
 
  
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Tech 1 Logistics Cruisers by Race
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* Remote hull repairers are inferior to remote armor repairers and shield boosters, so remote hull repairers are never used in combat. Remote hull repairers require a great deal of CPU, powergrid and capacitor, and repair less HP than other repair modules. Unlike the other two remote repair types, there are no ships in EVE that are bonused for hull repair. As a result, remote hull repairers are not generally used in fleets, even for compositions focused on hull tanking.
  
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''Chart''
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== Diminishing remote assistance ==
  
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Race Ship Bonus (-5% Cap Usage, 150% Range)
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Remote shield booster, armor repairer, hull repairer and capacitor transmitter modules are subject to diminishing returns that are completely different from the usual [[stacking penalties]]. The effectiveness of these remote assistance modules will go down as the amount of assist they provide goes up.
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The rate at which their effectiveness is reduced is not very significant. For capital modules the effect becomes notable at around 30 remote repairers (10 FAX) and for subcapital remote repairers it becomes notable when there are well over 100 remote repairers used on single target. <ref>[https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/spring-balance-update-incoming 2019-03-13 Spring Balance Update Incoming!]</ref>
  
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== Logistics Ships ==
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Tech 2 Logistics Cruisers have two areas of RSS that receive bonuses. They also have a role bonus, uniquely tailored to being RSS ships such as the range in which they can use modules, and the decreased need for CPU and/or power grid. Tech 2 Logistics ships also receive a bonus to specific logistics drones. These ships require the racial cruiser skill of 5 and Logistics 1 skill training.
 
  
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Tech 2 Logistics Cruisers by Race
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Each of the four player races specializes in the type of logistics that their ships are naturally tanked for. Caldari and Minmatar ships are ordinarily shield-tanked, and so these two races specialize in shield logistics; and Amarr and Gallente ships are typically armor-tanked, so these two races specialize in armor logistics. In addition, each race specializes in either cap-chain logistics, or not. It is important to note that capacitor chaining only works for Logistics Cruisers; all frigate logistics ships, of all races, are "solo" logistics ships.
  
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''Chart''
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|[[image:Logo_faction_amarr_empire.png|64px|link=|Amarr]]
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|[[image:Logo_faction_caldari_state.png|64px|link=|Caldari]]
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|[[image:Logo_faction_gallente_federation.png|64px|link=|Gallente]]
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|[[image:Logo_faction_minmatar_republic.png|64px|link=|Minmatar]]
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|[[image:Logo_faction_triglavian_collective.png|64px|link=|Triglavian]]
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Each of the four empire factions has a Tech I frigate dedicated to logistics. The bonuses for the two Tech I shield logistics frigates—the {{sh|Bantam}} and the {{sh|Burst}}—are identical, as are the bonuses for the two Tech I armor logistics frigates, the {{sh|Inquisitor}} and the {{sh|Navitas}}. The most common fits for the four ships are also very similar. In general, the Burst and Inquisitor are slightly favored over the other two because of advantages in speed (Burst) and capacitor and tank (Inquisitor).
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*Shield Transporters: These modules are used to remote repair the shields of another ship. Several Large Shield Transporters can easily fit onto logistics ships like the Basilisk and Scimitar.
 
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*Target Painter: These modules will increase the locked target’s signature radius. Classed under indirect combat logistics, but covered under EWAR. Refer to EWAR 101.
 
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*Tracking Links: These modules remotely boost the turret range and turret tracking speed of targeted ship depending on the script fitted. The Oneiros and Scimitar have bonuses that allow them to use tracking links to a greater efficiency. These modules will only remotely support ships that are using turrets. They will not help in any manner for missile fitted ships.  
 
  
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Hint: Any ship in your gang may fit one or more remote support modules. This is a great use for an open slot if fitting requirements can be met.
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A Tech I logistics frigate can repair the damage caused by one or two opponents at most, at short range.
  
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=== Rigs ===
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Shield logistics frigates have very short optimal ranges, so they usually operate from falloff range can almost never apply their full repair capacity. Pilots with poor capacitor skills, or low skills in the appropriate racial frigate skill or in {{sk|Shield Emission Systems|icon=yes}} or {{sk|Remote Armor Repair Systems|icon=yes}}, will have trouble with capacitor even if they use all "Enduring" meta versions of all active modules.
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Rigs, implants for you ship that are lost if the ship is repackaged or the rig is removed, can offer substantial support for RSS. As expected, the '''Capacitor Control Circuit''' and the '''Semiconductor Memory Cell''' rigs increases capacitor size and recharge rates, and are useful for offsetting the drain of large remote repair modules. Additionally, the use of the Ancillary Current Router will increase the ship’s power grid, aiding in power fitting requirements.  
 
  
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The following two rigs are specific to improving RSS effects:
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Still, there are a few roles that Tech I logistics frigates fill uniquely well. Logistics frigates are better than logistics cruisers in gangs of frigate and destroyer damage dealers, because they have the speed to keep up, particularly when fitted with microwarpdrives.
  
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'''Remote Repair Augmentor''' - An armor rig that reduces the capacitor need for a ship's remote armor repair modules at the expense of max velocity. Does not affect capital modules. 20% bonus for Tech 1 and 25% bonus for Tech 2 with 10% velocity penalty each.
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===Tech II Logistics Frigates===
  
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'''Drone Repair Augmentor''' – A drone rig that increases drone repair amount at the expense of the ship's CPU capacity. 10% bonus for Tech 1 and 15% bonus for Tech 2 with 10% CPU penalty each.
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Tech II logistics frigates improve on their Tech I counterparts in a number of ways. They have considerably more CPU and powergrid, and one more fitting slot, relative to the Tech I frigates. Tech II logistics frigates also have some unique bonuses relative to Tech I frigates. Flying a Tech II logistics frigate requires a dedicated skill, {{sk|Logistics Frigates|icon=yes}}. Because this skill contributes significantly to bonuses in this ship class, pilots are encouraged to train it to IV or V before flying a Tech II logistics frigate.  
  
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== Logistics Drones ==
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The repair bonuses, repair range and base velocity of Tech II logistics frigates aren't dramatically better than those of their Tech I relatives. Increased CPU and powergrid do mean that Tech II logistics frigates can fit better repair modules than Tech I ships. Tech II modules increase the repair rate of Tech II logistics frigates, and deadspace repair modules increase it further still. Nevertheless, even fit with rare modules, a Tech II logistics frigate repairs no faster than a Tech I logistics cruiser, with shorter range and higher cost. These frigates—and particularly the {{sh|Deacon}}, the most popular of the four—are still used in small-ship gangs.
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Logistics drones, known as Maintenance Bots, come in Tech 1 and Tech 2 varieties, and these drones have light, medium and heavy variants. The advantage of logistic drone usage is, drones do not require power or CPU to provide direct RSS.  
 
  
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===Tech I Logistics Cruisers===
  
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'''Armor Maintenance Bots''' – Functions as a mobile Remote Armor Repair module that does not use capacitor from the launching ship. The Guardian and Oneiros receive a 20% HP transfer bonus when they utilize Armor Repair Drones.  
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Tech I logistics cruisers are powerful platforms for remote repair. They are inexpensive, and relatively easy to skill into. As mentioned at the beginning of this Ships section, logistics cruisers can either be "solo" or cap-chain ships.
  
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'''Shield Maintenance Bots''' - Functions as a mobile Shield Transfer Array module that does not use capacitor from the launching ship. The Basilisk and the Scimitar receive a 20% HP transfer bonus when they utilize Shield Repair Drones.
 
  
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'''Target Painting drones''' - Enhance tracking by affecting a targeted enemy ship. These are classified under the definition of indirect RSS, but are discussed in the EWAR drone course and beyond the topic of this guide. See the Drones Guide for more EWAR drones information.
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The {{sh|Scythe}} and the {{sh|Exequror}} are the two Tech I logistics cruisers that are ''not'' bonused for remote capacitor transfer. They can be simpler to pilot than the cap-chain cruisers. But the performance of all of the logistics cruisers is sensitive to pilot skill, and pilots with different skill levels sometimes have to fly even these simpler hulls differently.
  
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== Basic Ship Fittings ==
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The Scythe and Exequror are very similar, with roughly the same ship bonuses and repair capacity. As is true for all logistics ships, the shield-boosting {{co|wheat|Scythe}} has a shorter optimal range and a longer falloff, whereas the armor-repairing {{co|wheat|Exequror}} has a much longer optimal range, but shorter falloff. The role bonuses that logistics cruisers receive to repairer range makes both of these cruisers excellent at repairing from a distance, and the bonuses do not depend on pilot skill level. Repair rate, on the other hand, is very sensitive to pilot skill.
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In broad sweeping generalities, combat logistics ships should be fitted to provide the RSS that they have bonuses for. This is the primary role of any RSS ship, but balancing this is the need to provide a ship that is cap stable and can provide such support under sustained heavy demands. Last, is providing some form of a tank for your ship.
 
  
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=== Player vs Environment ===
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Tech I logistics cruisers offer more flexibility in fitting than logistics frigates. As a result, pilots with different skill levels may find that they need to fit their ships differently, making compromises between tank and capacitor or sustained capacitor regen versus burst capacitor from capacitor booster.
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* Tech 1 Logistic cruisers
 
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* A smaller more sustainable RSS setup is preferred.  
 
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* A smaller tank may be used, due to tactics that keep the NPC’s from attacking the logistics ship.
 
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=== Player vs Player ===
 
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* Tech 2 Logistics cruisers
 
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* A larger RSS is preferred, as it may only be used once before bouncing.
 
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== Organization and Tactics ==
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[[File:Cap_Chain_Augies.jpg|frame|Three [[Augoror|Augorors]] organized into a capacitor chain. Each arrow corresponds to remote capacitor transfer from one Augoror to a neighbor. Each Augoror donates capacitor to and receives capacitor from the same two neighbors. Though this chain contains just three members, cap chains in large fleets can contain many more members than this.]]
  
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The {{sh|Osprey}} and the {{sh|Augoror}} are the two Tech I logistics cruisers that are bonused for remote capacitor transfer. As described above, these bonuses allow the Osprey and Augoror to activate their remote capacitor transfer modules, transfer more capacitor than they spend, and thus effectively create capacitor from nothing.
  
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=== Organization ===
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Cap chaining solves the capacitor challenges of solo logistics cruisers. Pilots of all skill levels receive this benefit, because the role bonuses to remote capacitor transfer do not depend on skill level. Often this makes cap chaining logistics ships much less skill intensive than solo logistics ships.
  
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In a fleet, logistics ships can be grouped into logistics wings and squadrons, or can be assigned to different squadrons as the fleet commander wishes. Be sure to provide the proper support to the proper ships. Remote armor support ships should be assigned to support an armor tanked squadron and or ship. At the highest levels, there could be entire fleets structured to deliver logistics support. This type of structure is beyond this guide. Logistics pilots should have their own fleet convo channel set up to insure maximum RSS efficiency.  
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In order for a logistics pilot to benefit from this, the pilot must simultaneously give capacitor to and receive capacitor from one or more logistics partners. In principle, the minimum number of partnered logistics pilots is two, but cap-chain logistics is less vulnerable to enemy interference when larger groups of pilots are matched up. So, Osprey and Augoror pilots are typically organized into a capacitor chain (illustrated at right), in which each pilot gives and receives capacitor with two neighboring partners in the chain. The cap chained logistics ships can even periodically break the chain in order to transfer capacitor to damage-dealing fleetmates that need the help.
  
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=== Basic Tactics ===
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But in order for cap-chain logistics cruisers to be cap-stable, they '''must''' be partnered, and this represents a vulnerability for these ships. Enemy fleets can break the cap chain, either by isolating chain members, using [[EWAR Guide|electronic warfare]], by splitting them up using [[Command Destroyer|command destroyers]] with micro jump field generators, or by simply killing them. Cap-chain logistics ships are often specially fit to counter some of these strategies. For example, sensor boosters can counter EWAR and a warp scrambler can counter a micro jump field. In any case, cap-chain logistics pilots are dependent on their fleetmates, and keeping cap chains intact under enemy fire can make them challenging to fly.
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The basic tactics are for Tech 1 logistics ship operating in Player verses Environment, (PvE).
 
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* Friendly ship/squadron lands on grid and draws the NPC aggression,
 
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* Logistics ship warps to optimal range from the friendly ships,
 
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* Begin RRS operations,
 
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Be cap stable, meaning you can run all of your remote support modules indefinitely. Running out of capacitor in the middle of an engagement could spell tragedy. Timing can be everything when it comes to RSS. In Empire Space, remote supporting a ship too early might gain you unwanted aggression. However, remote supporting a ship too late may result in the loss of a ship or possibly an entire fleet. Have a clearly defined agreement between the RSS squadron and your friendly targets as to when/why you will begin to support and who will be supported. Practicing your remote support is very important in helping the combat logistics squadron to determine their full potential. Player Owned Stations (POS) can be the recipients of RSS. Typically this kind of support is generally done by Capital Ships fitted with capital sized repair modules. See the article on Carrier support for details.
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===Tech II Logistics Cruisers===
  
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Aggression
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Tech II logistics cruisers are the most powerful sub-capital repair ships in EVE. Tech II logistics cruisers have increased tank, CPU and powergrid, and better bonuses compared to Tech I logistics cruisers. Flying these ships requires training in a dedicated skill, {{sk|Logistics Cruisers|icon=yes}}. Unistas are encouraged to train this skill to IV before attempting to fly Tech II logistics cruisers. When flown by pilots with sufficient skills, Tech II logistics cruisers have considerably more repair capacity than their Tech I relatives. They also have even more fitting flexibility than Tech I cruisers, and are typically fit specifically to their role. Unique among logistics ships, Tech II cruisers can fit over-sized, large remote repair and remote capacitor transfer modules instead of medium ones. As a result of this diversity, specific comparisons of Tech II logistics cruiser fits are beyond the scope of this article.
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What happens to me when I remote repair someone else? If you remote support someone, you will become aggressed to whomever the targeted ship is currently aggressed to.
 
  
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Timers
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Tech II logistics cruisers follow the same racial specializations as their Tech I relatives. The {{sh|Scimitar}} and {{sh|Oneiros}} are "solo" logistics ships, and the {{sh|Basilisk}} and {{sh|Guardian}} are cap-chain specialists.
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An RSS ship does not obtain a docking timer from a station, or a jump timer at a gate like a ship who is shooting a weapon at an enemy ship. If you are outside a station and within docking range, and you begin to remote support another ship, you have the ability to dock at any time as long as you do not shoot a weapon or any kind of aggressive act like webbing, warp scrambling, nossing, or neuting. The same holds true for offensive gate camping.  
 
  
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Concord
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The solo Tech II logistics cruisers are like the solo Tech I cruisers, in that they are intended to operate independently, and often have to make tradeoffs between capacitor and tank in their fits. The {{sh|Scimitar}} and {{sh|Oneiros}} are strongest in smaller gangs of Tech II and Tech III damage dealers, where there is only room for one or two logistics pilots.
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You can also become aggressed to Concord and Sentry Guns if you remote support someone doing something illegal in either Empire space or low-sec space.  
 
  
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Scams
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The cap-chain Tech II logistics cruisers are like their cap-chain Tech I relatives, in that they must work in groups, and they have enough capacitor to sustain a fit full of high-capacitor-demand modules. These cruisers have the broadest array of options in terms of modules they can fit. Tech II logistics pilots can fit faction, deadspace, or large-sized repair modules to the {{sh|Basilisk}} and {{sh|Guardian}} comfortably. These ships are strongest in large Tech II/III fleets, in high-skill PvE, and in medium-sized wormhole gangs where the group is expected to be able to handle incoming DPS.
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Be wary of who you remote support. A common tactic is for someone in a cheap frigate to ask for remote support. Once you begin to remote support the frigate, he will fire at the station or another ship. The frigate is promptly destroyed for committing a criminal act, and so are you for remote supporting him.
 
  
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=== Advanced Tactics ===
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===Triglavian Logistics Ships===
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Whereas basic tactics are Player vs. Environment, (PvE), and Tech 1 ship oriented, the advanced tactics are focused on Player vs. Player, (PvP), and Tech 2 ships. These tactics build upon the foundation of the basic tactics.
 
  
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The Triglavian Collective offers a Tech I and a Tech II logistics ship: the {{sh|Rodiva}} and {{sh|Zarmazd}}. Both of these ships use the Heavy Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairer, and both rely on local cap regeneration rather than a cap chain, however they have very different use cases than other logistics cruisers. The Rodiva acts similarly to an Exequeror or Oneiros, able to support a small gang either alone or in a pair, and can also somewhat defend itself using its drones. The Zarmazd has extremely thick armor, can apply high-powered repairs to an armor fleet, and brings a ridiculous range of other utilities, in particular including [[Smartbombs]] to push hostile drones away from friendly logistics ships. However, Triglavian logistics have a severe weakness relative to other logistics ships: when first activated, their single repair module is only as strong as 2 normal remote repair modules, and takes a full 90 seconds to reach its full strength (of ''5'' normal remote repair modules). This very long delay before reaching full strength means that Triglavian logistics are extremely bad at "catching" an allied ship when it first starts taking damage, and are thus also very bad at dealing with enemy fleets which change targets frequently. However, they can be very effective as secondary logistics ships, either at keeping a pre-selected allied ship alive against all opposition, or at holding an allied ship after it had been "caught" (by friendly Guardians most likely) thus freeing other logistics ships to be ready for a target swap, or at counteracting the slowly ramping damage of Triglavian Entropic Disintegrators.
  
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'''Multiple RSS Modules'''
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===Bonused and Unbonused Battleship Logistics===
  
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Tech 2 logistics ship can be fitted with two differing type bonus RSS modules and have a larger drone bay. Coordination of those two RSS and use of logistics drones, especially between multiple ships is the purpose of advanced tactics.  
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In contrast to the variety of bonused logistics hulls available in frigate and cruiser sizes, there are only two battleship-size hulls bonused for logistics: the {{sh|Nestor}} and {{sh|Orca}}. The bonuses of the Nestor battleship are not that great, and the hull can be expensive. The {{co|wheat|Nestor}} is used rarely when a very heavy armor tank, beyond what the Guardian can do, is needed. The Orca is almost never used in primary logistics role, but it can help defend barges in a mining fleet.
  
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'''Buffer Tanking'''
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Remote repair modules are sometimes fitted to unbonused battleship hulls as part of [[Spider Tanking|"spider-tanking"]] fleet doctrines. The {{sh|Dominix}}, in particular, works well with remote repairers and remote cap transmitters, because it relies on bonused drones for its main DPS, and has no bonuses for hull-mounted weapons.
  
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Some small fleets use Buffer Tanking with remote repair actively on selected ships. This can ease fitting on DPS-focused ships that have marginal CPU and power grid. Any time the fleet pauses in warp, logistics ships can be tanking other fleet mates.
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===Capital Logistics: Force Auxiliaries===
  
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'''Spider Tanking'''
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Force Auxiliaries are a class of capital ship dedicated to logistics. Force auxiliaries the only capital ship class to receive bonuses to remote repairing. They are also the only capitals able to use triage modules, which enhance the defensive and remote repair capabilities of the ship for five minutes, but also make the ship incapable of receiving remote assistance. Force auxiliaries and triage modules are discussed in more detail in ship class page on [[Capital Ship#Force Auxiliaries|Capital Ships]].
  
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Spider tanking is when several logistic ships will remote support each other. Spider tanking logistic ships using Energy Emission systems can generate more capacitive energy than they are using, thereby gaining energy that can then be transferred to other fleet members. This is an effective way to transfer armor, shield and/or energy at a more efficient rate than one ship would normally need to expend on its own. Spider tanking is highly effective in Capital Ship engagements due to the large bonuses available.
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==Logistics and crimewatch==
  
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'''Remote Sensor Boosters and Tracking Links'''
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Assuming their safeties are set to the appropriate level, logistics pilots inherit the timers of the pilots they repair. If the repaired ship is engaged in combat, the logistics pilot will almost certainly receive log off, Weapons, and Limited Engagement timers. In addition, if repair occurs in low- or high-security space, and the logistics pilot is not legally allowed to engage all of the repaired ship's combat targets either due to war or limited engagement (suspect timer is not enough) the logistics pilot will become criminal and will be killed by CONCORD, even if neither of the engaged pilots were criminals. As a result, logistics pilots occasionally have to think about how repair affects other, non-aligned pilots in system. Your logistics ship may end up attackable by parties in system that you did not expect including [[Concordokken|CONCORD]].
  
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Remote Sensor Booster could be used to increase the targeting range of a friendly ship. Some ships, fitted correctly would be able to hit a target from a sizeable distance (known as sniping). But perhaps that ship would not have the modules fit to lock a target that far away. For example, a pilot has determined that his Tech 2 Cruise Missiles can hit a target at a distance of 180km. He can’t lock that far however without fitting a Targeting Range scripted Sensor Booster of his own. A Remote Sensor Boosting ship with the correct script could increase this target range even further, thereby allowing him to lock further out without having to give up a mid slot. Scan resolution scripts are important if you think a friendly target ship may want to get a target lock jump on the enemy. One example is, a Battleship has very low scan resolution. Increasing the scan resolution through remote sensor boosters will allow the Battleship to lock an enemy target faster.  
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it is not recommended to ever set safeties to red as a logistics pilot. The only situation where red safeties would do anything over yellow safeties will result in logistics pilot being killed by CONCORD. In high security space it is common to keep the safeties green to avoid logi becoming suspect and being killed by third party combatants.
  
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Tracking Link module will increase the turret range and the turret tracking speed of the target ship. This module can be fitted with one of two similar scripts to the remote sensor booster’s script. Use of the two modules together – in certain circumstances – may be useful for a sniper BS battling fast ships at long and/or short distances. Especially when combined with the proper scripts being loaded into both the Sensor Booster and the Tracking Link modules.
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Logistics modules follow same rules of engagement as other remote assistance modules. See [[Remote assistance]] for more details on crimewatch and logistics interact.
  
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=== Example Scenario ===
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==Logistics organization and tactics==
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You are a Basilisk pilot in a fleet of thirty ships; mostly frigates and cruisers, a handful of battlecruisers and battleships (a typical e-uni fleet), and another logistics pilot. Your scout discovers a twenty ship enemy fleet, which is camped at gate in a nearby low-sec system. The Fleet Commander can choose to send the two logistics pilots in as well as a handful of the tougher ships as bait. Have the bait squadron engage the enemy, point as many as they can, wait until the enemy engage, and bring the rest of the fleet in. The logistics pilots will keep the bait squadron alive, (against the superior odds), long enough for the main fleet to arrive. Or, the FC can simply warp in at optimal with the whole fleet and begin the combat.
 
  
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Logistics pilots have the greatest impact when they work well within their fleet. As a result, a good understanding of the fleet's organization, mechanics, and the fleet interface is essential for logistics pilots. Familiarity with [[The Rookie's Guide To Fleet Ops]] is recommended, as well as guide on the [[Fleet Interface]].
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FC orders a warp to optimal ranges to engage the gatecamp.  
 
  
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[[File:BroadcastSettings2.gif|frame|right|From the Fleet window, open the Broadcast Settings sub-window to adjust the appearance of your fleetmates' broadcasts, and to make them stand out against other fleet events. Use the dropdown boxes to the right of armour, shield and capacitor broadcasts to set their colours to something other than grey.]][[File:Broadcasting.jpg|frame|In the Fleet window, Ctl-click on your fleetmate's broadcast for reps to target them and provide support. If you are the one that needs support, click on the appropriate symbol at the bottom of the Fleet window. It is also possible to bind these broadcasts to hotkeys in the game's General Settings window.]]
  
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'''Prepare and use your fleet window.'''
  
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If your gang is small enough, your fleetmates may be able to request repairs in comms ("Hey, Bob! John needs reps!"). But in even a medium-sized fleet, comms are intended for communication between FC(s) and the rest of the fleet. Under these circumstances, fleetmates "broadcast for repairs" through the Fleet window. You can see their requests under the window's History tab. As described in the [[Fleet Interface]], use the Broadcast Settings window to make the "Need Armor", "Need Shield", and "Need Capacitor" broadcasts show up with distinct colour backgrounds. When one of these broadcasts is listed in the Fleet History window, you can {{button|Ctrl}} -click the broadcast to lock that pilot and immediately provide repairs or capacitor. Once your fleetmate no longer needs assistance -maybe because the enemy fleet has shifted targets— they will broadcast "In Position At". You will need to watch the Fleet window for this signal, and be prepared to switch the focus of your remote support. This applies when other fleetmates need repairs.
  
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* Keep an eye out for enemy EWAR ships in particular - remote sensor damps can increase your lock time and decrease your lock range, you will need to move closer, or even better warp in closer to your fleet if these are present. EWAR ships can break your energy transfer chain and keep your reps from being effective. Logistics ships have naturally high sensor strength and usually fit ECCM, but you aren't invincible to jams, and it only takes one or two to really mess your fleet up if they are relying on you. The FC should know to target these ships first if possible.  
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'''Fill your watchlist'''
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[[File:Watchlist_Example.jpg|frame|An example of a fleet watchlist. The three horizontal bars correspond to shield, armour, and hull for each pilot. Pilots that are off-grid don't show any bars. The symbols to the left of the bars correspond to the latest broadcast from that pilot.]]
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The Watchlist is a window that allows you to monitor the shield, armour and hull HP of fleetmates that are on grid with you, without having to lock them. In addition, clicking on names in the Watchlist window has the same effect as selecting them in space or in the Overview window, which makes interacting with these particular pilots very easy. The Watchlist is an extremely important tool for logistics pilots, and will allow you to identify fleetmates that need repairs even before they identify themselves.
  
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* Keep your FC informed if something is going wrong. The FC will have a plan in mind that takes into account the power of your reps. If you are jammed, that’s vital information. If people are breaking, or the logistics ships are breaking, the FC needs to know, to plan accordingly.  
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Fleetmates can be added to your Watchlist by right-clicking on the pilot name and selecting "Add to Watchlist" or by dragging the name into the watchlist window. Unfortunately, the Watchlist can only hold 15 pilots. If you are flying logistics in a small gang, this may be enough space to list your entire fleet. But if you are in a larger fleet, you will need to choose who to include (or you will need to follow the FC's or logi captain's instructions on who to add). In general, you will be asked to include fleet, wing, and squad commanders on your watchlist first, because they are critical to passing fleet boosts to the fleet. You will then probably add your fellow logistics pilots, because they are so often the primary targets of the opposing fleet. Finish out your list with any critical damage dealers or other special pilots you expect to need early repairs.
  
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== Remote verses Self Repair Analysis ==
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'''Know your optimal and falloff ranges, and what distance you and your fellow logistics pilots plan to repair from'''
  
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=== Ships Modules – The numbers ===
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''These are suppose to be charts!''
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These charts reflect the minimum skills required to use the Logistics ship and the RSS modules.
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The FC will likely warp the fleet's damage dealers at their weapons' optimal range. You will need to be behind those damage dealers, so ignore the FC's fleet warp instructions to the damage-dealing group. (You might do this by canceling the fleet warp once it starts, or the FC may have organized wings and squads so that the logistics group warps separately.) You will warp at your own range to your fleetmates, with them in between you and the enemy. If you are flying armour logistics, this will probably be at your repair modules' optimal range. If you are flying shield logistics, your range will be dictated by the FC, but (optimal + half-falloff) is a good rule of thumb.
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''Chart''
 
  
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*Medium Remote Armor Repair Modules Armor Repair Module
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'''If there are multiple logistics pilots, orbit the nominated logi anchor'''
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*Meta Time Base Pilot Skill T1 Ship T2 Ship HP/Cycle Time Cost HP/Cycle
 
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*0 4.5 118 112.1 106.2 85.25 160 9 160 240
 
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*1 4.5 118 112.1 106.2 85.25 168 9 160 252
 
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*2 4.5 118 112.1 106.2 85.25 176 9 160 264
 
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*3 4.5 118 112.1 106.2 85.25 184 9 160 276
 
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*4 4.5 118 112.1 106.2 85.25 192 9 160 288
 
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*5 4.5 108 86.4 81.0 78.03 192 9 160 320
 
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''Chart''
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Before the fleet gets underway, the FC should have named a logistics "anchor"—a pilot that logistics ships should orbit at close distance. In this way, only the anchor pilot is responsible for positioning the logistics group, and all the other pilots simply follow that anchor. (The logi anchor may or may not be the same as the logi commander.) The situation can get more complicated if your opponent's field Command Destroyers, which use Micro Jump Fields to separate clustered logistics ships from their fleetmates; if the FC orders you to spread out, that might be why. But at least initially, stick to your anchor.
  
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*Medium Energy Transfer Arrays
 
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*Module Activation Costs Transfer
 
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* 0 113 107.35 101.7 81.65 90
 
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* 1 113 107.35 101.7 81.65 95
 
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* 2 113 107.35 101.7 81.65 99
 
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* 3 113 107.35 101.7 81.65 104
 
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* 4 113 107.35 101.7 81.65 108
 
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''Chart''
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'''If you fall behind the rest of the fleet, out of repair distance, warp out and back in'''
  
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*1 4.5 132 125.4 118.8 89.76 168 9 60 71
 
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*2 4.5 132 125.4 118.8 89.76 176 9 60 74
 
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*3 4.5 132 125.4 118.8 89.76 184 9 60 78
 
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*4 4.5 132 125.4 118.8 89.76 192 9 60 81
 
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*5 4.5 120 96.0 90.0 81.6 192 9 60 90
 
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*Performance Comparison - Select Gallente Ships
 
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*Myrmidon Tech 2 188.84 468.25 1152 768
 
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*Dominix Tech 2 249.36 270.39 2304 2304
 
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Repair modules can have pretty long activation times. If you activate them all at once, it might be 8 seconds before you can re-target them to a different fleetmate who calls for emergency reps. By staggering your repair modules, you can gradually shift the target of your repairs. Staggering also evens out the load on your capacitor and avoids over repairing targets that don't need all your repairs at once.
  
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*T1 Light 12 12.6 25.2 13.86 28.98
 
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*T2 Light 14 17.5 31.5 19.25 40.25
 
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*T1 Medium 24 26.4 50.4 29.04 60.72
 
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*T2 Medium 28 35.0 63.0 38.05 80.50
 
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*T1 Heavy 60 69.0 129.0 82.50 158.7
 
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Aside from being called primary, shot at and possibly destroyed, a logistical pilot can expect to be jammed from the onset of an engagement to limit their ability to support the fleet. Having several logistical ships in a fleet will make it more difficult for an enemy to jam all of you; making it possible for others to remotely support during your jammed cycle. In Capital ship engagements, Motherships have a special module, the Remote ECM Burst, to jam all ships in range and break this chain of cooperative RSS.
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[[File:LogiChat.jpg|frame|Cap-chain logistics groups are often organized in a chat channel. The current member list is used to figure out who transfers cap to who. In the case of a 1-up, 1-down configuration (very common), John Smallberries both gives and receives cap with the channel members above and below him on the list.]]
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As explained before, cap-chain ships have the advantage of abundant capacitor and they seldom have to worry about having to cycle modules on and off. But cap-chain logistics pilots do have an extra layer of complexity to deal with: maintaining the capacitor chain. There are a few ways to do this, but the most common method is to organize cap-transfer partners in a dedicated logistics chat channel set up by the logi commander. Once you are in this channel, the names above and below yours in the Member List are your transfer partners (assuming a 1-up, 1-down transfer scheme—your FC could choose a different one). Members at the very top and very bottom of the member list are also partnered. The advantage of using a chat channel is that members can drop out of the channel when they are destroyed or otherwise incapacitated, and the remaining, neighboring pilots can adjust by obtaining a new cap-transfer partner from the member list.
  
 
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Logistics refers to ships and modules that provide remote repair support to other ships. "Local" repair—in which a ship repairs itself—is not considered "logistics" in EVE. In this way, logistics ships in EVE are similar to the "healer" character classes you find in many other online multiplayer games; logistics pilots usually assist their fleetmates by restoring their hitpoints during battle.

The act of hauling items is also often referred as logistics. See Hauling for details on that.

Remote Repair vs. Local Repair

One, very intuitive reason for including logistics ships in fleets is so that damage dealers can focus on their own role; by having logistics ships manage repair, the other, combat-oriented ships in the fleet can fit more modules, rigs, and implants dedicated to damage-dealing. But another, less intuitive justification is that logistics ships are often better at repairing other ships than those ships are at repairing themselves.

The biggest effect however is that a squad of logistics ships can focus all of their remote repair modules on a single target. In comparison, in a group of self-repairing ships, only the ship taking damage can use its repair modules. This makes remote repairing the only practical method of repairing in larger fleets.

Skills

In addition to the general logistics skills the hull specific racial ship skills are very important as they drastically improve logistics ship repair amounts and reduce remote repair capacitor usage.

Additionally capacitor skills are very important for logistics role. Cap chained ships receive plenty of capacitor from their capacitor transmitters but solo ships often have to rely purely on their own capacitor.

General tanking, targeting and fitting skills are of course also important.

Modules

Remote repair can be used to restore HP to a ship's shield, armor, or hull, via multiple different types of high-slot, remote repair modules. These modules have some important differences.

Icon remote armor repair i.png Remote armor repairer repairs armor on the targeted ship.
  • Repair happens at the end of the module cycle.
    • Tests indicate that the calculation of the repair amount also occurs at the end of the module cycle, not at module activation.
    • This is relevant when the remote repair ship moves from module optimal range into module falloff range, or vice versa, during the module cycle.
  • Uses less capacitor per repair amount than remote shield booster.


Also comes in ancillary variant. Ancillary remote armor repairers be loaded with nanite repair paste. While the module has paste it repairs almost twice as much as T2 variant but after the paste runs out it repairs a bit over half of T2 variant.

Icon heavy mutadaptive remote armor repair i.png Mutadaptive remote armor repairer repairs armor on the target ship.
  • Repair happens at the end of the module cycle.
  • Repair amount ramps up as the module is kept on the same target.
  • Can only be fitted on the Triglavian logistics ships Rodiva and Zarmazd.
Icon shield transporter i.png Remote shield booster repairs shield on the targeted ship.
  • Repair happens at the beginning of the module cycle.
  • Uses more capacitor per repair amount than remote armor repairer.

Also comes in ancillary variant. Ancillary remote shield boosters can be loaded with capacitor booster charges. While the module has capacitor boosters it consumes no capacitor at all, but once the charges run out it consumes 2.7x as much capacitor as T2 variant. It repairs about 40% more than T2 variant even when it does not have cap charges.

Icon remote hull repair i.png Remote hull repairer repairs hull on the targeted ship. These types of remote repairers are almost never used.
  • Repair happens at the end of the module cycle.
  • Very slow and capacitor hungry.
Icon remote capacitor transmitter i.png Remote capacitor transmitter transmits capacitor to the target ship. With hull bonuses, skills and rigs these modules can be used to generate capacitor out of nothing.
Drone caldari light.png Remote repair drones for shield, armor and hull come in small, light and heavy sizes totaling nine different drones.
Module icon armor rig tech1.png Remote repair augmentor reduces capacitor usage of remote armor repairers at the cost of ship max velocity.
Module icon engineering rig tech.png Egress Port Maximizer reduces capacitor usage of capacitor transmitters.
Module icon drone rig.png Drone repair augmentor Increases logistics drone repair amount at the cost of CPU capacity.
Icon implant hardwiring.png Implants
  • Inherent Implants 'Noble' Remote Armor Repair Systems RA-7xx series - slot 7 - 1% to 6% reduced capacitor need for remote armor repair modules.
  • Zainou ‘Gnome’ Shield Emission Systems SE-8xx series - slot 8 - 1% to 6% reduced capacitor need for remote shield boosting modules.
  • Savior pirate implant set - reduced remote armor repair cycle duration. Only applies to subcapital modules.


Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairers

Remote repair of Exequror with standard T2 remote repairers compared to Rodiva with T2 mutadaptive remote repairers. Both with all V skills.

Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairers are a type of remote armor repairer. Only Heavy (Medium) versions exists, and they can only be fitted onto a Rodiva or Zarmazd. Only one Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairer can be fit onto a ship, which substitutes for multiple conventional remote armor repairers. The mutadaptive repairers have a spooling effect, where they will repair more HP the longer they have been active on a target. It takes 15 cycles (90 seconds) for a Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairer to reach full strength. Mutadaptive Amor Repairers have no Falloff range and will deactivate immediately upon their target leaving optimal range, and if deactivated for any reason reset to their minimum effectiveness.

Ancillary Remote Repair Modules

Ancillary Remote Shield Boosters and Ancillary Remote Armor Repairers consume charges in exchange for repairs. In general, both ancillary remote armor repairers and ancillary remote shield boosters are used to provide a quick burst of remote repair over a few module cycles, which consume all of the module's loaded charges. Once this happens, ancillary remote repair modules must undergo an extremely slow reload before they can be used in charge-boosted mode again. As a result, ancillary remote repair modules do not improve on the overall repair rate of standard remote repair modules—the combination of boosted repair and the long reload time results in an averaged HP/time that is similar to ordinary remote repair modules—but they can be used to front-load these repairs.

Ancillary remote shield boosters (ARSBs) are loaded with cap booster charges. While many different charge sizes can fit in ARSBs, they receive no additional benefits from larger charges, so they should always be loaded with smallest charges that fit in. ARSBs have two advantages over standard, Tech I shield boosters: they deliver almost double the shield boost of a standard shield booster for 9 module cycles, and they require no capacitor when operated with cap booster charges. ARSBs also receive all of the ship bonuses that standard remote shield boosters do. These are significant advantages. Shield logistics ships are often capacitor-limited, and so delivering repairs without the need for capacitor not only helps them contribute longer, but also makes them more resistant against enemy capacitor warfare. And an initial, powerful shield boost might be just what your fleet needs at the beginning of a fight, when incoming alpha damage is at its greatest.

Nevertheless, ARSBs have some clear drawbacks. When the ARSB module runs out of cap booster charges, the logistics pilot has two choices: either wait for a 60-second reload, or use the module without charges, which costs three times as much capacitor as the standard module (Most shield logistics ships don't have enough capacitor for the second option). As is true for local ancillary repair modules, only one ARSB can be fit to a ship, so logistics pilots with an ASRB fitted will also have to use standard shield boosters. And finally, while ARSBs compare well against standard Tech I modules, they don't look quite as strong compared to meta, Tech II, faction or deadspace shield boosters; they have shorter range, and sometimes worse fitting, than many of these other options. In particular, Tech II logistics ships are probably better fit with standard shield boosters, because Tech II ships are less capacitor-limited. On the other hand, groups of Tech I Minmatar Scythe pilots could benefit significantly by fitting ARSBs, so that they can boost each other through the initial wave of damage that is frequently aimed at logistics. Although ARSBs are very new and rare—they can only be manufactured from blueprint copies found via exploration or ratting—they may still find a niche in low-skill logistics.

Ancillary Remote Armor Repairers (ARARs) are loaded with nanite repair paste. They are similar to ARSBs in that they deliver more HP repair—more than double that of a standard, Tech I remote repair module—at the expense of charges. ARARs consume nanite repair paste instead of cap boosters, and they can only be loaded with eight cycles worth of charges instead of nine. More significantly, ARARs consume capacitor whether they are loaded with paste or not, but they only repair 1/3 as much HP when they are operated without paste. Just like ARSBs, ARARs have a 60-second reload time that limits the average repair efficiency of the modules. You can only fit a maximum of one, and ARARs compare poorly against meta, Tech II, faction and deadspace repairers in fitting and overall efficiency. But, as with ARSBs, they can be used for a short burst of repairs at the beginning of an engagement.

Remote capacitor transmitters

Remote Capacitor Transmitters consume capacitor on the fitted ship, and transfer that capacitor to a targeted fleetmate. After skill and potential hull and rig bonuses the amount of capacitor transmitted can be greater than what was consumed allowing ships with this module to generate capacitor out of nowhere.

When fit to a Caldari or Amarr logistics cruiser, on the other hand, these modules can generate hundreds of capacitor units for other ships in the fleet, at significant ranges. Most commonly, this extra capacitor is transferred to other logistics ships in a capacitor chain (or "cap chain"). In cap-chain logistics, a squad of logistics ships simultaneously give and receive capacitor to each other as a means of increasing their available capacitor. (Cap-chain logistics is described further in the tactics section.)

Characteristics of different remote repair types

Logistics pilots seldom get to choose whether to fly armor or shield logistics; they are always expected to fly whatever logistics type matches their fleet's doctrine. Still, logistics pilots do have to pilot shield and armor ships differently, according to their strengths and limitations.

Comparison on repair range of remote shield and armor repairers. Remote armor repairer is able to provide full repair effect to longer range than shield booster. But at longer ranges shield booster is able to provide bigger partial repair than armor repairer.
  • Overall, remote shield boosters and armor repairers restore HP at the same rate. Neither of these repair modes is inherently better than the other. They do have differences, however, that make each one preferable under certain circumstances.
  • Remote shield boosters deliver repair at the beginning of the module cycle while remote armor repairers deliver repair at the end of the module cycle. Due to this it is much easier to not waste repair cycles with shield boosters. One downside of flying armor logistics is that, sometimes, your armor-tanked fleetmates will die faster than the cycle time of your remote armor repair modules. When this happens, each module's repair cycle is lost; the target of the remote armor repairer no longer exists, and so when the module completes its cycle, nothing gets repaired. Another issue is over repairing where multiple repair modules get activated on the target but at the end of the module cycles only few of them are enough to bring the target back to full health, wasting the other module cycles.
  • Remote armor repairers require less capacitor than remote shield boosters. Not only do armor repairers require less capacitor per cycle, they are also more cap efficient (requiring less cap per repair amount) relative to shield boosters. This means that armor-repairing ships have more cap room for other active modules, and are less sensitive to enemy neutralizers and Nosferatus, than shield-boosting ships. Because of their cap efficiency, armor logistics ships are more practical for activities where cap stability may be an issue.
  • Remote shield boosters deliver more HP/cycle, so they have more repair "alpha". Combat ships are sometimes judged by how much damage they can deliver in their first ("alpha") volley. Logistics ships can be compared by a very similar measure, by how much damage they can repair in their initial repair cycle. By this measure, remote shield boosters are better than remote armor repairers—they repair more damage, right away.
  • Remote armor repairers have longer optimal range than remote shield boosters. Armor logistics ships can stay farther away from the action, and still deliver 100% of their repping power, compared to shield logistics ships.
  • Remote shield boosters have longer falloff range than remote armor boosters. Shield logistics ships are able to deliver partial but still good repair efficiency from further away than equivalent armor ship.
  • Remote hull repairers are inferior to remote armor repairers and shield boosters, so remote hull repairers are never used in combat. Remote hull repairers require a great deal of CPU, powergrid and capacitor, and repair less HP than other repair modules. Unlike the other two remote repair types, there are no ships in EVE that are bonused for hull repair. As a result, remote hull repairers are not generally used in fleets, even for compositions focused on hull tanking.

Diminishing remote assistance

Remote shield booster, armor repairer, hull repairer and capacitor transmitter modules are subject to diminishing returns that are completely different from the usual stacking penalties. The effectiveness of these remote assistance modules will go down as the amount of assist they provide goes up.

The rate at which their effectiveness is reduced is not very significant. For capital modules the effect becomes notable at around 30 remote repairers (10 FAX) and for subcapital remote repairers it becomes notable when there are well over 100 remote repairers used on single target. [1]

Logistics Ships

Each of the four player races specializes in the type of logistics that their ships are naturally tanked for. Caldari and Minmatar ships are ordinarily shield-tanked, and so these two races specialize in shield logistics; and Amarr and Gallente ships are typically armor-tanked, so these two races specialize in armor logistics. In addition, each race specializes in either cap-chain logistics, or not. It is important to note that capacitor chaining only works for Logistics Cruisers; all frigate logistics ships, of all races, are "solo" logistics ships.

Race Armor or Shield? Cap-Chain
or Solo?
Amarr Armor Cap-Chain
Caldari Shield Cap-Chain
Gallente Armor Solo
Minmatar Shield Solo
Triglavian Armor Solo


Tech I Logistics Frigates

Each of the four empire factions has a Tech I frigate dedicated to logistics. The bonuses for the two Tech I shield logistics frigates—the Caldari Bantam and the Minmatar Burst—are identical, as are the bonuses for the two Tech I armor logistics frigates, the Amarr Inquisitor and the Gallente Navitas. The most common fits for the four ships are also very similar. In general, the Burst and Inquisitor are slightly favored over the other two because of advantages in speed (Burst) and capacitor and tank (Inquisitor).

Logistics frigates have the least repairing power and shortest range out of all the logistics ships, but they do have the advantage of being very inexpensive and difficult to hit (like any other Tech I frigate).

A Tech I logistics frigate can repair the damage caused by one or two opponents at most, at short range.

Shield logistics frigates have very short optimal ranges, so they usually operate from falloff range can almost never apply their full repair capacity. Pilots with poor capacitor skills, or low skills in the appropriate racial frigate skill or in Icon skillbook2.png Shield Emission Systems or Icon skillbook2.png Remote Armor Repair Systems, will have trouble with capacitor even if they use all "Enduring" meta versions of all active modules.

Still, there are a few roles that Tech I logistics frigates fill uniquely well. Logistics frigates are better than logistics cruisers in gangs of frigate and destroyer damage dealers, because they have the speed to keep up, particularly when fitted with microwarpdrives.

Tech II Logistics Frigates

Tech II logistics frigates improve on their Tech I counterparts in a number of ways. They have considerably more CPU and powergrid, and one more fitting slot, relative to the Tech I frigates. Tech II logistics frigates also have some unique bonuses relative to Tech I frigates. Flying a Tech II logistics frigate requires a dedicated skill, Icon skillbook2.png Logistics Frigates. Because this skill contributes significantly to bonuses in this ship class, pilots are encouraged to train it to IV or V before flying a Tech II logistics frigate.

The repair bonuses, repair range and base velocity of Tech II logistics frigates aren't dramatically better than those of their Tech I relatives. Increased CPU and powergrid do mean that Tech II logistics frigates can fit better repair modules than Tech I ships. Tech II modules increase the repair rate of Tech II logistics frigates, and deadspace repair modules increase it further still. Nevertheless, even fit with rare modules, a Tech II logistics frigate repairs no faster than a Tech I logistics cruiser, with shorter range and higher cost. These frigates—and particularly the Amarr Deacon, the most popular of the four—are still used in small-ship gangs.

Tech I Logistics Cruisers

Tech I logistics cruisers are powerful platforms for remote repair. They are inexpensive, and relatively easy to skill into. As mentioned at the beginning of this Ships section, logistics cruisers can either be "solo" or cap-chain ships.


The Minmatar Scythe and the Gallente Exequror are the two Tech I logistics cruisers that are not bonused for remote capacitor transfer. They can be simpler to pilot than the cap-chain cruisers. But the performance of all of the logistics cruisers is sensitive to pilot skill, and pilots with different skill levels sometimes have to fly even these simpler hulls differently.

The Scythe and Exequror are very similar, with roughly the same ship bonuses and repair capacity. As is true for all logistics ships, the shield-boosting Scythe has a shorter optimal range and a longer falloff, whereas the armor-repairing Exequror has a much longer optimal range, but shorter falloff. The role bonuses that logistics cruisers receive to repairer range makes both of these cruisers excellent at repairing from a distance, and the bonuses do not depend on pilot skill level. Repair rate, on the other hand, is very sensitive to pilot skill.

Tech I logistics cruisers offer more flexibility in fitting than logistics frigates. As a result, pilots with different skill levels may find that they need to fit their ships differently, making compromises between tank and capacitor or sustained capacitor regen versus burst capacitor from capacitor booster.


Three Augorors organized into a capacitor chain. Each arrow corresponds to remote capacitor transfer from one Augoror to a neighbor. Each Augoror donates capacitor to and receives capacitor from the same two neighbors. Though this chain contains just three members, cap chains in large fleets can contain many more members than this.

The Caldari Osprey and the Amarr Augoror are the two Tech I logistics cruisers that are bonused for remote capacitor transfer. As described above, these bonuses allow the Osprey and Augoror to activate their remote capacitor transfer modules, transfer more capacitor than they spend, and thus effectively create capacitor from nothing.

Cap chaining solves the capacitor challenges of solo logistics cruisers. Pilots of all skill levels receive this benefit, because the role bonuses to remote capacitor transfer do not depend on skill level. Often this makes cap chaining logistics ships much less skill intensive than solo logistics ships.

In order for a logistics pilot to benefit from this, the pilot must simultaneously give capacitor to and receive capacitor from one or more logistics partners. In principle, the minimum number of partnered logistics pilots is two, but cap-chain logistics is less vulnerable to enemy interference when larger groups of pilots are matched up. So, Osprey and Augoror pilots are typically organized into a capacitor chain (illustrated at right), in which each pilot gives and receives capacitor with two neighboring partners in the chain. The cap chained logistics ships can even periodically break the chain in order to transfer capacitor to damage-dealing fleetmates that need the help.

But in order for cap-chain logistics cruisers to be cap-stable, they must be partnered, and this represents a vulnerability for these ships. Enemy fleets can break the cap chain, either by isolating chain members, using electronic warfare, by splitting them up using command destroyers with micro jump field generators, or by simply killing them. Cap-chain logistics ships are often specially fit to counter some of these strategies. For example, sensor boosters can counter EWAR and a warp scrambler can counter a micro jump field. In any case, cap-chain logistics pilots are dependent on their fleetmates, and keeping cap chains intact under enemy fire can make them challenging to fly.

Tech II Logistics Cruisers

Tech II logistics cruisers are the most powerful sub-capital repair ships in EVE. Tech II logistics cruisers have increased tank, CPU and powergrid, and better bonuses compared to Tech I logistics cruisers. Flying these ships requires training in a dedicated skill, Icon skillbook2.png Logistics Cruisers. Unistas are encouraged to train this skill to IV before attempting to fly Tech II logistics cruisers. When flown by pilots with sufficient skills, Tech II logistics cruisers have considerably more repair capacity than their Tech I relatives. They also have even more fitting flexibility than Tech I cruisers, and are typically fit specifically to their role. Unique among logistics ships, Tech II cruisers can fit over-sized, large remote repair and remote capacitor transfer modules instead of medium ones. As a result of this diversity, specific comparisons of Tech II logistics cruiser fits are beyond the scope of this article.

Tech II logistics cruisers follow the same racial specializations as their Tech I relatives. The Minmatar Scimitar and Gallente Oneiros are "solo" logistics ships, and the Caldari Basilisk and Amarr Guardian are cap-chain specialists.

The solo Tech II logistics cruisers are like the solo Tech I cruisers, in that they are intended to operate independently, and often have to make tradeoffs between capacitor and tank in their fits. The Minmatar Scimitar and Gallente Oneiros are strongest in smaller gangs of Tech II and Tech III damage dealers, where there is only room for one or two logistics pilots.

The cap-chain Tech II logistics cruisers are like their cap-chain Tech I relatives, in that they must work in groups, and they have enough capacitor to sustain a fit full of high-capacitor-demand modules. These cruisers have the broadest array of options in terms of modules they can fit. Tech II logistics pilots can fit faction, deadspace, or large-sized repair modules to the Caldari Basilisk and Amarr Guardian comfortably. These ships are strongest in large Tech II/III fleets, in high-skill PvE, and in medium-sized wormhole gangs where the group is expected to be able to handle incoming DPS.

Triglavian Logistics Ships

The Triglavian Collective offers a Tech I and a Tech II logistics ship: the Triglavian Collective Rodiva and Triglavian Collective Zarmazd. Both of these ships use the Heavy Mutadaptive Remote Armor Repairer, and both rely on local cap regeneration rather than a cap chain, however they have very different use cases than other logistics cruisers. The Rodiva acts similarly to an Exequeror or Oneiros, able to support a small gang either alone or in a pair, and can also somewhat defend itself using its drones. The Zarmazd has extremely thick armor, can apply high-powered repairs to an armor fleet, and brings a ridiculous range of other utilities, in particular including Smartbombs to push hostile drones away from friendly logistics ships. However, Triglavian logistics have a severe weakness relative to other logistics ships: when first activated, their single repair module is only as strong as 2 normal remote repair modules, and takes a full 90 seconds to reach its full strength (of 5 normal remote repair modules). This very long delay before reaching full strength means that Triglavian logistics are extremely bad at "catching" an allied ship when it first starts taking damage, and are thus also very bad at dealing with enemy fleets which change targets frequently. However, they can be very effective as secondary logistics ships, either at keeping a pre-selected allied ship alive against all opposition, or at holding an allied ship after it had been "caught" (by friendly Guardians most likely) thus freeing other logistics ships to be ready for a target swap, or at counteracting the slowly ramping damage of Triglavian Entropic Disintegrators.

Bonused and Unbonused Battleship Logistics

In contrast to the variety of bonused logistics hulls available in frigate and cruiser sizes, there are only two battleship-size hulls bonused for logistics: the Sisters of EVE Nestor and ORE Orca. The bonuses of the Nestor battleship are not that great, and the hull can be expensive. The Nestor is used rarely when a very heavy armor tank, beyond what the Guardian can do, is needed. The Orca is almost never used in primary logistics role, but it can help defend barges in a mining fleet.

Remote repair modules are sometimes fitted to unbonused battleship hulls as part of "spider-tanking" fleet doctrines. The Gallente Dominix, in particular, works well with remote repairers and remote cap transmitters, because it relies on bonused drones for its main DPS, and has no bonuses for hull-mounted weapons.

Capital Logistics: Force Auxiliaries

Force Auxiliaries are a class of capital ship dedicated to logistics. Force auxiliaries the only capital ship class to receive bonuses to remote repairing. They are also the only capitals able to use triage modules, which enhance the defensive and remote repair capabilities of the ship for five minutes, but also make the ship incapable of receiving remote assistance. Force auxiliaries and triage modules are discussed in more detail in ship class page on Capital Ships.

Logistics and crimewatch

Assuming their safeties are set to the appropriate level, logistics pilots inherit the timers of the pilots they repair. If the repaired ship is engaged in combat, the logistics pilot will almost certainly receive log off, Weapons, and Limited Engagement timers. In addition, if repair occurs in low- or high-security space, and the logistics pilot is not legally allowed to engage all of the repaired ship's combat targets either due to war or limited engagement (suspect timer is not enough) the logistics pilot will become criminal and will be killed by CONCORD, even if neither of the engaged pilots were criminals. As a result, logistics pilots occasionally have to think about how repair affects other, non-aligned pilots in system. Your logistics ship may end up attackable by parties in system that you did not expect including CONCORD.

it is not recommended to ever set safeties to red as a logistics pilot. The only situation where red safeties would do anything over yellow safeties will result in logistics pilot being killed by CONCORD. In high security space it is common to keep the safeties green to avoid logi becoming suspect and being killed by third party combatants.

Logistics modules follow same rules of engagement as other remote assistance modules. See Remote assistance for more details on crimewatch and logistics interact.

Logistics organization and tactics

Logistics pilots have the greatest impact when they work well within their fleet. As a result, a good understanding of the fleet's organization, mechanics, and the fleet interface is essential for logistics pilots. Familiarity with The Rookie's Guide To Fleet Ops is recommended, as well as guide on the Fleet Interface.

From the Fleet window, open the Broadcast Settings sub-window to adjust the appearance of your fleetmates' broadcasts, and to make them stand out against other fleet events. Use the dropdown boxes to the right of armour, shield and capacitor broadcasts to set their colours to something other than grey.
In the Fleet window, Ctl-click on your fleetmate's broadcast for reps to target them and provide support. If you are the one that needs support, click on the appropriate symbol at the bottom of the Fleet window. It is also possible to bind these broadcasts to hotkeys in the game's General Settings window.


Prepare and use your fleet window.

If your gang is small enough, your fleetmates may be able to request repairs in comms ("Hey, Bob! John needs reps!"). But in even a medium-sized fleet, comms are intended for communication between FC(s) and the rest of the fleet. Under these circumstances, fleetmates "broadcast for repairs" through the Fleet window. You can see their requests under the window's History tab. As described in the Fleet Interface, use the Broadcast Settings window to make the "Need Armor", "Need Shield", and "Need Capacitor" broadcasts show up with distinct colour backgrounds. When one of these broadcasts is listed in the Fleet History window, you can Ctrl -click the broadcast to lock that pilot and immediately provide repairs or capacitor. Once your fleetmate no longer needs assistance -maybe because the enemy fleet has shifted targets— they will broadcast "In Position At". You will need to watch the Fleet window for this signal, and be prepared to switch the focus of your remote support. This applies when other fleetmates need repairs.

When you are the one needing repairs because you are the enemy's primary target, you will be the one broadcasting.


Fill your watchlist

An example of a fleet watchlist. The three horizontal bars correspond to shield, armour, and hull for each pilot. Pilots that are off-grid don't show any bars. The symbols to the left of the bars correspond to the latest broadcast from that pilot.

The Watchlist is a window that allows you to monitor the shield, armour and hull HP of fleetmates that are on grid with you, without having to lock them. In addition, clicking on names in the Watchlist window has the same effect as selecting them in space or in the Overview window, which makes interacting with these particular pilots very easy. The Watchlist is an extremely important tool for logistics pilots, and will allow you to identify fleetmates that need repairs even before they identify themselves.

Fleetmates can be added to your Watchlist by right-clicking on the pilot name and selecting "Add to Watchlist" or by dragging the name into the watchlist window. Unfortunately, the Watchlist can only hold 15 pilots. If you are flying logistics in a small gang, this may be enough space to list your entire fleet. But if you are in a larger fleet, you will need to choose who to include (or you will need to follow the FC's or logi captain's instructions on who to add). In general, you will be asked to include fleet, wing, and squad commanders on your watchlist first, because they are critical to passing fleet boosts to the fleet. You will then probably add your fellow logistics pilots, because they are so often the primary targets of the opposing fleet. Finish out your list with any critical damage dealers or other special pilots you expect to need early repairs.


Know your optimal and falloff ranges, and what distance you and your fellow logistics pilots plan to repair from

As described above, different logistics hulls and modules have different characteristic repair ranges. Know how far from your damage-dealing fleetmates you plan to be.


Warp into the engagement at the appropriate range, opposite the enemy

The FC will likely warp the fleet's damage dealers at their weapons' optimal range. You will need to be behind those damage dealers, so ignore the FC's fleet warp instructions to the damage-dealing group. (You might do this by canceling the fleet warp once it starts, or the FC may have organized wings and squads so that the logistics group warps separately.) You will warp at your own range to your fleetmates, with them in between you and the enemy. If you are flying armour logistics, this will probably be at your repair modules' optimal range. If you are flying shield logistics, your range will be dictated by the FC, but (optimal + half-falloff) is a good rule of thumb.


If there are multiple logistics pilots, orbit the nominated logi anchor

Before the fleet gets underway, the FC should have named a logistics "anchor"—a pilot that logistics ships should orbit at close distance. In this way, only the anchor pilot is responsible for positioning the logistics group, and all the other pilots simply follow that anchor. (The logi anchor may or may not be the same as the logi commander.) The situation can get more complicated if your opponent's field Command Destroyers, which use Micro Jump Fields to separate clustered logistics ships from their fleetmates; if the FC orders you to spread out, that might be why. But at least initially, stick to your anchor.


If you fall behind the rest of the fleet, out of repair distance, warp out and back in

Logistics ships are sometimes slower than the rest of the fleet, especially when they are fitted with afterburners instead of microwarpdrives. If you fall behind, try to warp to a tactical bookmark behind the logistics group, and then warp back to a damage dealer at closer range than you need. (This ensures that your fleetmate won't just race away from you again.)


Watch your capacitor

Capacitor regenerates fastest when it is at 25% of maximum, but very slowly at 0%. Don't allow your capacitor to drop too much below 25%. You may need to deactivate one repair module for a while, deactivate an active resist module that you realize you don't need vs. the opponents' damage type, or be more conservative with your propulsion module. If you cap yourself out, you won't be able to activate anything—you'll be a sitting duck. Don't let that happen!


Stagger your repair modules' activation, if you can'

Repair modules can have pretty long activation times. If you activate them all at once, it might be 8 seconds before you can re-target them to a different fleetmate who calls for emergency reps. By staggering your repair modules, you can gradually shift the target of your repairs. Staggering also evens out the load on your capacitor and avoids over repairing targets that don't need all your repairs at once.


If you are the target of a specialized ship or tactic, communicate that with the logi leader or FC

If you find that a specific enemy ship is taking you out of the fight with neuts or EWAR, tell the FC (preferably in fleet/logi chat); the fleet may be able to switch targets to take out the threat, or your FC may have other instructions for you.


Don't forget to launch and use your drones!


Organize for cap-chain logistics

Cap-chain logistics groups are often organized in a chat channel. The current member list is used to figure out who transfers cap to who. In the case of a 1-up, 1-down configuration (very common), John Smallberries both gives and receives cap with the channel members above and below him on the list.

As explained before, cap-chain ships have the advantage of abundant capacitor and they seldom have to worry about having to cycle modules on and off. But cap-chain logistics pilots do have an extra layer of complexity to deal with: maintaining the capacitor chain. There are a few ways to do this, but the most common method is to organize cap-transfer partners in a dedicated logistics chat channel set up by the logi commander. Once you are in this channel, the names above and below yours in the Member List are your transfer partners (assuming a 1-up, 1-down transfer scheme—your FC could choose a different one). Members at the very top and very bottom of the member list are also partnered. The advantage of using a chat channel is that members can drop out of the channel when they are destroyed or otherwise incapacitated, and the remaining, neighboring pilots can adjust by obtaining a new cap-transfer partner from the member list.

References

  1. ^ 2019-03-13 Spring Balance Update Incoming!
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