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Revision as of 17:51, 28 January 2022
Projectile ammunition is a complex topic because, unlike hybrid or energy ammunition, different kinds of projectile ammunition can have not only different optimal range modifiers, but also different tracking modifiers and completely different damage types.
Tech 1 ammunition
Name | Optimal Range | Tracking | EM | Thermal | Kinetic | Explosive | Damage | Small | Medium | Large |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
EMP | -50% | 0% | 75% | 8% | 17% | 150% | N | I | ||
Fusion | -50% | 0% | 17% | 83% | 150% | I | I | I | ||
Phased Plasma | -50% | 0% | 83% | 17% | 150% | I | ||||
Titanium Sabot | +0% | 20% | 75% | 25% | 100% | |||||
Depleted Uranium | +0% | 20% | 38% | 25% | 38% | 100% | I | I | ||
Proton | +60% | 5% | 60% | 40% | 62.5% | I | ||||
Nuclear | +60% | 5% | 20% | 80% | 62.5% | IN | ||||
Carbonized Lead | +60% | 5% | 80% | 20% | 62.5% | I | I |
As you can see from this table, after the Dominion expansion, projectile ammo is divided into three tiers:
- 3 short-ranged, high-damage types -- EMP, Phased Plasma and Fusion
- 2 medium range, medium damage, high-tracking types -- Titanium Sabot and Depleted Uranium
- 3 long range, low damage types with a minor tracking speed bonus -- Proton, Nuclear and Carbonized Lead
Within each tier the only differences are in the damage type, so EMP, phased plasma and fusion all do identical amounts of raw (before enemy resists are applied) damage.
The last 3 columns indicate which non-highsec material is required to build them. an I indicates Isogen and N, nocxium. Blank indicates only the Highsec minerals of Tritanium, Mexallon and Pyerite are required. This may effect the ammo choices of hybrid users who also craft their own ammunition, especially if they mine the materials as well. Capital is not included as if you are flying one of these, you likely have easy access to these materials anyway.
Faction versions of these ammunition types are available, and offer a nice increase in damage for a price. If you can afford it it's good to carry and use one or two loads of faction ammo in PvP; for PvE faction ammo is usually not cost-effective.
Tech 2 ammunition
Name | Optimal Range | Falloff Range | Tracking | EM | Thermal | Kinetic | Explosive | Damage |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Hail | -50% | -25% | -25% | 21% | 79% | 193% | ||
Barrage | +0% | +50% | -25% | 45% | 55% | 138% |
Name | Optimal Range | Tracking | EM | Thermal | Kinetic | Explosive | Damage |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Quake | -75% | +25% | 36% | 64% | 175% | ||
Tremor | +80% | -75% | 37% | 63% | 138% |
Ammo and autocannon
- Your optimal range doesn't exist (or might as well not exist)
ACs have terrible optimal ranges and long falloff (read more about optimal and falloff here). The only reasons why you should be taking autocannons into their optimal range is when fighting missile ships or if you've landed on top of a sniping battleship. All other times, fight in your falloff.
- If your ship has a falloff bonus, it's designed to fit autocannons
Because optimal range bonuses on autocannons are as useful as explosive damage bonuses for lasers.
- T1 ammo range bonuses are irrelevant!
All T1 projectile ammo range modifiers apply to your optimal range, not falloff. As ACs have tiny optimal ranges and huge falloff, you can always load EMP, phased plasma or fusion -- your range would barely increase if you load one of the other ammo types.
(There are some very minor exceptions to this rule. For example if you're trying to hit a close-orbiting Jaguar with medium ACs Titanium Sabot not only gives you a tracking bonus, but also hits the Jaguar's weakest resist, kinetic.)
- Don't ignore the low and middle-tier autocannons
125mm, 150mm, Dual 180mm, 220mm, Dual 425mm and Dual 650mm autocannons have stupidly low fitting requirements and allow you to either fit massive plates, loads of nos, twin reps, MWDs and cap boosters without gimping your setup. Using the next tier above means 4-5% more damage, a slightly reduced ammo consumption, and more falloff.
- Fit top-tier autocannons for PvE
They use a lot less ammo, which is very important when shooting rats with autocannons as they have the highest rate of fire of all turrets
Tech 2 autocannon ammo
There are two types of Tech 2 AC ammo, Barrage and Hail. Barrage is useful if you're fighting at long autocannon range, and Hail is useful to deal extra damage against targets which are easier to hit. Note that only Tech 2 autocannon can load Tech 2 ammunition.
Barrage
Barrage comes with a 40% boost to falloff and a 25% penalty to tracking. It does a mixture of explosive and kinetic damage, a little more explosive than kinetic. Barrage is often very useful for kiting/skirmishing tactics: it can let small autocannon reach out towards the further reaches of warp scrambler range, medium autocannon reach out to the further reaches of warp disruptor range, and large autocannon reach out very far indeed. It synergizes well with ships with range bonuses such as the Stabber and Vargur
Due to the tracking penalty compared to normal short-range ammunition, you must consider whether or not you'll be able to keep your target's angular velocity low, and what countermeasures you will take--potentially including loading different ammunition--if a target closes in.
Barrage can struggle against ships with invulnerability-field shield tanks and Tech 2 Amarr ships, which both have very high explosive resists and are weaker to EM or thermal damage.
Hail
Hail does a lot of damage, on paper. It also cuts your tracking speed by 25%, optimal range by 50% and falloff by 25%. It can be an excellent high-damage option against targets which are easier to hit (e.g. they have been webbed or target-painted) and/or are one or more size classes larger than your guns (e.g. firing on cruisers or battleships with small autocannon, or on battleships with medium autocannon).
Ammo selection
So, what ammo should you actually pack? You don't need to carry a load of every type.
PvP: Tech 1 autocannon
- Phased Plasma for general use (thermal is a decent all-round damage type)
- Fusion to hit armour tanks
- EMP to hit shield tanks
PvP: Tech 2 autocannon
- Barrage for general use, unless you plan to fight at close range
- Hail for close-ranged, easily-hit targets
- Fusion to hit armour tanks at close range
- EMP to hit Barrage-resistant shield tanks
- Phased Plasma to hit T2 Amarr ships or for general use at close range
On ships with an inherent falloff bonus and one or more Tracking Enhancers fitted (such as the Vagabond), falloff can get so long that you can kite while using short-ranged, high-damage ammo rather than Barrage, for more DPS.
PvE
The rule of thumb for PvE is to hit the weakest resists of the rat type you're fighting, as detailed here.
However, remember the tiering by damage. Some assume that since, for example, Guristas' lowest resist is to kinetic damage, titanium sabot is the best ammo to kill them. Actually, the higher damage of phased plasma makes up for the slightly worse resists.
Pirate Faction | Best Damage | Second Best |
---|---|---|
Angel Cartel | Fusion | Titanium Sabot |
Blood Raiders | EMP | Phased Plasma |
Guristas | Phased Plasma | Titanium Sabot |
Serpentis | Phased Plasma | Titanium Sabot |
Sansha | EMP | Phased Plasma |
Mercenaries | Phased Plasma | Titanium Sabot |
Mordu's Legion | Phased Plasma | Titanium Sabot |
Rogue Drones | EMP | Phased Plasma |
Amarr Empire | EMP | Phased Plasma |
Caldari State | Phased Plasma | Titanium Sabot |
Gallente Federation | Phased Plasma | Titanium Sabot |
Minmatar Republic | Fusion | Titanium Sabot |
Ammo and artillery
- Meaningful optimal ranges!
Unlike autocannon, artillery do have a noticeable optimal range, though they also have plenty of falloff too. This means that the range bonuses from the T1 ammo types do actually let you reach further away.
- But . . .
Unless your tank really cannot survive at the range you have with EMP, phased plasma or fusion, you're generally best sticking to the short-ranged types to get the best DPS. Although the longer-ranged ammo types could be used for sniping, they're outclassed by Tremor, the long-range T2 artillery ammo.
- Alpha
Artillery pieces do low DPS but high alpha -- they deal a lot of damage in one hit. This is a further incentive to use the high-damage, short range ammo, to maximise your alpha strike. In certain PvP situations you can destroy a target in one hit, rendering DPS pretty irrelevant.
Tech 2 artillery ammo
There are two types of Tech 2 artillery ammo, Tremor and Quake. Tremor is a good sniping ammunition, while Quake helps against targets that are too close for comfort. Both Tremor and Quake do a mixture of explosive and kinetic damage, more explosive than kinetic.
Tremor
Tremor comes with a whopping 80% range bonus, and a 75% tracking speed penalty. It's dedicated sniping ammo. If your targets ever get close enough that they achieve meaningful angular velocity, then artillery, which have slow tracking speeds at the best of times, will really struggle to hit them.
Quake
Quake is the polar opposite of Tremor, replacing the range bonus with a 75% range penalty and the tracking penalty with a 25% tracking speed bonus. It is designed to be a last resort against targets that are too close and have too high of a transversal to hit with other ammo types.
Ammo selection
With artillery you are usually either
- using the short-ranged ammo, within disruptor range in PvP and within its optimal in PvE
- or PvP sniping with Tremor at long, long range
So ammo selection follows a fairly similar logic to that for autocannons.
PvP: Tech 1 artillery
- Phased Plasma for general use (thermal is a decent all-round damage type)
- Fusion to hit armour tanks
- EMP to hit shield tanks
- Maybe one of Nuclear/Proton/Carbonized Lead to use if you find you cannot bring the enemy into range of the short-range ammo types
PvP: Tech 2 artillery
- If sniping, Tremor, with some short-ranged ammo for emergencies in the hold
- If not sniping, the same selection as for T1 artillery, with Tremor replacing Nuclear/Proton/Carbonized Lead
PvE
As with autocannons, whichever of the three short-ranged ammo types the rats you're fighting are weakest to.
See Also
- Turrets, for a more general overview of all three kinds of turret and their associated ammunition