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==Ibn Sahl, Open-I (26 April 2008)==

At this time, the Uni was dec'd by a one-man corp. The Uni's membership was about 1200. The diplomatic team contacted Ibn Sahl to see why he wanted to take us all on. The answer: Honor.

At this time, the Uni was dec'd by a one-man corp. The Uni's membership was about 1200. The diplomatic team contacted Ibn Sahl to see why he wanted to take us all on. The answer: '''Honor'''.

~~You really~~ have ~~to read the conversation for yourselves. Here are two links~~.

Chip writes:

<pre>

Ok, so after Kelduum oked it today, I asked Ibn Sahl of Open I why he'd declared war on us.

It could probably have gone better. Chat log follows

Chip Mintago > Pardon me

Chip Mintago > I notice that you have, by yourself, declared war against Eve University,

to which I belong

Ibn Sahl > Honour permitted no other response!

Chip Mintago > Uhm, ok

Chip Mintago > I just hoped maybe you could let me know why

Ibn Sahl > What?

Ibn Sahl > Because I could stand the insult no longer

Chip Mintago > Wait, as sec, ... sorry, I'm not up on the details

Chip Mintago > Did we do something?

Chip Mintago > What is the greivance?

Ibn Sahl > I have made six attempts to communicate now

Ibn Sahl > I first sent mail to Kelduum Reevan, your diplomat

Ibn Sahl > When I received no response I sent a follow up

Ibn Sahl > With no response to that I sent another follow up

Chip Mintago > We've been busy

Ibn Sahl > Who is my corporation that your diplomats haven't even a moment to discuss

an offer of skill materials that I made them?

Chip Mintago > I'm sure it's just been overlooked

Ibn Sahl > I then spoke to members of your corporation three times on your

Eve University channel

Ibn Sahl > Three seperate occassions

Ibn Sahl > On the second, Ixxc told me I would receive a response from your diplomats

Ibn Sahl > Still nothing. Six contacts. And with an offer to donate to you. I have a proud

nature. I can no longer stand the insult. What course is there but war?

Chip Mintago > Ah

Chip Mintago > So, ... wait, this is because we uhm didn't talk to you?

Ibn Sahl > What would become of a man who no longer had any reason for defending

himself from insult?

Ibn Sahl > What affects does he keep if he has lost those in which lie

his weapons of defense and attack>?

Chip Mintago > Ok, but uisn't this expensive?

Chip Mintago > I mean, what do you get from fighting a thousand people

Ibn Sahl > Must I profit materially?

Ibn Sahl > Can you see no reason for action but profit? Should all morals be based on

what serves your purse?

Ibn Sahl > You smell of the shop!

Ibn Sahl > Of course I cannot prevail

Ibn Sahl > I am not a servant of my purse

Ibn Sahl > I abhor the vulgarity of the view that everything must be done for money

Ibn Sahl > Would you establish all galactic intercourse on the basis of mutual services,

so that every action appears as a kind of payment for something?

Ibn Sahl > These are the moral values of the old galaxy

Ibn Sahl > It is in the soil poisioned by these values that our galactic culture now withers.

Chip Mintago > Ok

Ibn Sahl > If you can genuinly not conceive of action based in honour,

then the situation is worse even than I had imagined

Chip Mintago > look<br>I'm going to go...

Ibn Sahl > The parochial narrowness of your principle repels me

Ibn Sahl > This is why we require aristocractic segregation from the masses

Ibn Sahl > From the Chip Minargos that would barter even matter matters of life and death!

Ibn Sahl > It is the clear, instinctive and fundamental basis of any noble man

that he will fight to avenge insult

Ibn Sahl > It is not a question of your profits and losses

Ibn Sahl > Have you never put your life in danger over honour?

Ibn Sahl > Haven't you wished to leave behind your accounting room,

your merchant's ledger and indulge the passion to defend your honour?

Ibn Sahl > Greatness of character does not consist in assembling property, Mintago!

Ibn Sahl > Throw out your ledger. Train for the arts of war. Give in to your passions.

Chip Mintago > It's just something is burning on my stove

Chip Mintago > I'd like nothing more than to talk about this some more,

but I'm going to have to go

Ibn Sahl > Have you not even the courage to confront me? Say you are leaving like a man!

Ibn Sahl > Say that you abhor me, or that you will not talk to an enemy

Ibn Sahl > Where is your soul?

Chip Mintago > I can smell the smoke from here. I need to go

Ibn Sahl > Even in conversation, can you only blather? Can you only say we are friends?

Chip Mintago > No I like you. I sure am not in any way someone you should hunt

or anything like that

Chip Mintago > I just need to get some sleep you see.

May I say what pleasure it has been to hear about your positions on these matters

Ibn Sahl > Your talk is cowardice. If you were bolder and stronger

you would openly confront me with the contempt you must feel

Ibn Sahl > Where is your pride

Ibn Sahl > I call you a coward and you just blather?

</pre>

[http://azjolnerub.21.forumer.com/a/ramblings-of-a-roleplayer_post1453.html The Conversation]

[http://www.eve-ivy.com/~~forums~~/viewtopic.php?~~f=31&~~t=~~26079~~&p=~~257520#p257520~~ The Uni Thread]

[http://www.eve-ivy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8657&highlight= The Uni Thread]

==Privateer Wars (Spring? 2008-2 Jun 2008)==

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 ==Ibn Sahl, Open-I (26 April 2008)==
-At this time, the Uni was dec'd by a one-man corp.  The Uni's membership was about 1200.  The diplomatic team contacted Ibn Sahl to see why he wanted to take us all on. The answer: Honor.
+At this time, the Uni was dec'd by a one-man corp.  The Uni's membership was about 1200.  The diplomatic team contacted Ibn Sahl to see why he wanted to take us all on. The answer: '''Honor'''.
-You really have to read the conversation for yourselves.  Here are two links.
+Chip writes:
+<pre>
+Ok, so after Kelduum oked it today, I asked Ibn Sahl of Open I why he'd declared war on us.
+It could probably have gone better. Chat log follows
+Chip Mintago > Pardon me
+Chip Mintago > I notice that you have, by yourself, declared war against Eve University,
+to which I belong
+Ibn Sahl > Honour permitted no other response!
+Chip Mintago > Uhm, ok
+Chip Mintago > I just hoped maybe you could let me know why
+Ibn Sahl > What?
+Ibn Sahl > Because I could stand the insult no longer
+Chip Mintago > Wait, as sec, ... sorry, I'm not up on the details
+Chip Mintago > Did we do something?
+Chip Mintago > What is the greivance?
+Ibn Sahl > I have made six attempts to communicate now
+Ibn Sahl > I first sent mail to Kelduum Reevan, your diplomat
+Ibn Sahl > When I received no response I sent a follow up
+Ibn Sahl > With no response to that I sent another follow up
+Chip Mintago > We've been busy
+Ibn Sahl > Who is my corporation that your diplomats haven't even a moment to discuss
+an offer of skill materials that I made them?
+Chip Mintago > I'm sure it's just been overlooked
+Ibn Sahl > I then spoke to members of your corporation three times on your
+Eve University channel
+Ibn Sahl > Three seperate occassions
+Ibn Sahl > On the second, Ixxc told me I would receive a response from your diplomats
+Ibn Sahl > Still nothing. Six contacts. And with an offer to donate to you. I have a proud
+nature. I can no longer stand the insult. What course is there but war?
+Chip Mintago > Ah
+Chip Mintago > So, ... wait, this is because we uhm didn't talk to you?
+Ibn Sahl > What would become of a man who no longer had any reason for defending
+himself from insult?
+Ibn Sahl > What affects does he keep if he has lost those in which lie
+his weapons of defense and attack>?
+Chip Mintago > Ok, but uisn't this expensive?
+Chip Mintago > I mean, what do you get from fighting a thousand people
+Ibn Sahl > Must I profit materially?
+Ibn Sahl > Can you see no reason for action but profit? Should all morals be based on
+what serves your purse?
+Ibn Sahl > You smell of the shop!
+Ibn Sahl > Of course I cannot prevail
+Ibn Sahl > I am not a servant of my purse
+Ibn Sahl > I abhor the vulgarity of the view that everything must be done for money
+Ibn Sahl > Would you establish all galactic intercourse on the basis of mutual services,
+so that every action appears as a kind of payment for something?
+Ibn Sahl > These are the moral values of the old galaxy
+Ibn Sahl > It is in the soil poisioned by these values that our galactic culture now withers.
+Chip Mintago > Ok
+Ibn Sahl > If you can genuinly not conceive of action based in honour,
+then the situation is worse even than I had imagined
+Chip Mintago > look<br>I'm going to go...
+Ibn Sahl > The parochial narrowness of your principle repels me
+Ibn Sahl > This is why we require aristocractic segregation from the masses
+Ibn Sahl > From the Chip Minargos that would barter even matter matters of life and death!
+Ibn Sahl > It is the clear, instinctive and fundamental basis of any noble man
+that he will fight to avenge insult
+Ibn Sahl > It is not a question of your profits and losses
+Ibn Sahl > Have you never put your life in danger over honour?
+Ibn Sahl > Haven't you wished to leave behind your accounting room,
+your merchant's ledger and indulge the passion to defend your honour?
+Ibn Sahl > Greatness of character does not consist in assembling property, Mintago!
+Ibn Sahl > Throw out your ledger. Train for the arts of war. Give in to your passions.
+Chip Mintago > It's just something is burning on my stove
+Chip Mintago > I'd like nothing more than to talk about this some more,
+but I'm going to have to go
+Ibn Sahl > Have you not even the courage to confront me? Say you are leaving like a man!
+Ibn Sahl > Say that you abhor me, or that you will not talk to an enemy
+Ibn Sahl > Where is your soul?
+Chip Mintago > I can smell the smoke from here. I need to go
+Ibn Sahl > Even in conversation, can you only blather? Can you only say we are friends?
+Chip Mintago > No I like you. I sure am not in any way someone you should hunt
+or anything like that
+Chip Mintago > I just need to get some sleep you see.
+May I say what pleasure it has been to hear about your positions on these matters
+Ibn Sahl > Your talk is cowardice. If you were bolder and stronger
+you would openly confront me with the contempt you must feel
+Ibn Sahl > Where is your pride
+Ibn Sahl > I call you a coward and you just blather?
+</pre>
 [http://azjolnerub.21.forumer.com/a/ramblings-of-a-roleplayer_post1453.html The Conversation]
-[http://www.eve-ivy.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=26079&p=257520#p257520 The Uni Thread]
+[http://www.eve-ivy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8657&highlight= The Uni Thread]
 ==Privateer Wars (Spring? 2008-2 Jun 2008)==