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==FCC Hurricanes==
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==Beam Harbingers==
 
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| valign="middle" style="padding:4px;" | The Artillery Hurricane has been a staple of EVE for almost as long as the game has existed, and continues to shine even now, as a mainline doctrine for groups such as Pandemic Horde. The Doctrine is essentially the [[Artillery Ruptures]] taken to their highest degree, focusing on Alpha strike to remove ships from the field even in the face of overwhelming Logistics support
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| valign="middle" style="padding:4px;" | Beam Harbingers follow a fairly standard fitting philosophy for T1 Battlecruiser doctrines – using long range weapons (beam lasers in this case) to project up to a  substantial range, while still holding a decent tank and reasonable close range application for brawling
The Uni’s own FCC Hurricanes were designed and chosen as a FCC Doctrine by the FCC candidates of 2017
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Beam Harbingers are a solid all-rounder of a combat doctrine. They lack the double range bonus of the Ferox, or the high volley damage of the Hurricane, instead gaining a larger overall damage boost, and marginally improved tracking. In general, Harbingers are usually considered a second tier doctrine for most groups, but they still make for an effective, well rounded fleet – and one which can sometimes surprise an opponent due to not being as ubiquitous as Feroxes or Hurricanes
 
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==Implementation==
 
==Implementation==
Like Ruptures and Thrashers, Artillery Hurricanes are all about the alpha strike. A good Hurricane pilot can reach 3.7k damage in a single volley at close range (22km + 38km falloff), or 2k with a range of up to 80km (+38km falloff) using T2 Tremor ammunition. This lets you delete ships at range before their logistics wing can apply their repairs to a targeted ship. This is particularly useful when facing a fleet with an overwhelming Logistics support wing, which you would be unable to break through with more sustained damage doctrines such as [[FCC Feroxes]]
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Beam Harbingers are essentially a well-rounded fighting doctrine, as opposed to a skirmish (Hurricanes) or sniping doctrine (Feroxes). They can opt to fight at 60-70km with Aurora crystals and out-range some other doctrines, however this is still only considered mid-range by EVE standards, and they can and will be kited at this range by Feroxes, sniper Battleships, or doctrines such as Cerberuses. Instead, Harbingers are best used as flexible mid-range brawlers
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The Harbinger compares roughly equally against other T1 battlecruiser doctrines such as FCC Feroxes in terms of tank and speed, but its unique strengths are its low signature radius (due to an armor tank), superior overall damage output from its damage bonus and drone bay, and good tracking compared to railgun fitted ships, especially when utilizing a tracking computer in its mid-slots. The instant ammunition switching of laser turrets is also a useful strength
  
Naturally however, to reach this stage, Hurricanes rely on numbers to achieve a large enough alpha strike. Rough numbers would be 20 Hurricanes to safely volley off enemy T1 Cruisers, and around 50 to volley off similar Battlecruisers or T3 Cruisers. Bear in mind as well that you will lose ships through the fight as well, and some additional buffer of ships is needed to maintain a sufficiently high alpha strike through a fight
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Given these features, its slight advantage over its comparables is in its combination of strong close ranged performance and good projection. As an example of how this might work; against a Ferox fleet, a Harbinger fleet would aim to start a fight in brawl range, taking advantage of its superior damage, tracking and signature radius, then as an opponent pulls range on you, rapidly switch through the longer range crystals to maintain damage – taking advantage of their laser’s instant ammunition switches. Most times, by the time a doctrine such as Feroxes has pulled enough range to kite you, you will have applied a substantial blow to their fleet via your superior close range damage
  
In a sustained battle, your tank and DPS is comparably weak versus equivalent doctrines such as Feroxes, so if you do not have the ships to volley opponents off the grid quickly, then skirmish tactics become the order of the day. Try to pick off smaller, weaker support ships in the enemy comp without fully committing to a fight, potentially weakening them for a full on assault, or alternatively just satisfying yourself with these harassment tactics
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Against other doctrines with shorter ranges than the Harbinger (such as most Cruiser doctrines or actual brawlers), a Harbinger fleet may choose to pull range and snipe from up to 60km with Aurora which it can do equally effectively
  
For the Uni, while fleets of 50+ is achievable for special events, 20-30 is your usual roaming fleet size, so FCC Hurricanes for the Uni are unlikely to be picking fights with other Battlecruiser fleets. Instead they can be used to devastate smaller ships. Fleets of T1 Cruisers such as Rail Moas or Caracals or T3 Destroyers such as Jackdaws, are good targets for a fleet such as this
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Despite their armor tank, the Harbingers have surprisingly good speed and agility, and while other ships can pull range eventually, you are likely to keep them in range for quite some time
  
Having said this, while your tank and sustained DPS may be lacking, if you have a numbers or tactical advantage, then you can still successfully fight a pitched battle, particularly with sufficient logistics support, albeit the Hurricanes do not shine in such an engagement
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The worst case for a Harbinger fleet is to start a fight with a sniping doctrine at range already, forcing you to slowly burn in towards them. An interesting way to maximize the Harbingers effectiveness is in combination with a Command Destroyer with a Micro-Jump Field Generator. This can allow the fleet to instantly jump 100km in any direction, letting you jump on top of, or at least closer to, a kiting doctrine set up at range, or slowly pulling out of your range. With a couple of these ships, it is very difficult for any fleet to kite you out permanently
  
Like most long range doctrines, anchoring on the FC or a designated DD Anchor is optimal, and given the awful tracking of Artillery, the anchor will want to work to minimize transversal to let the volleys delivery the most damage possible. As always, aligning out and letting an opponent chase you is a very viable tactic for skirmish doctrines, letting you warp out quickly if you find yourself unable to volley off any targets, or if they are closing range on you
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Multifrequency is your highest damage and default ammunition for brawling. Aurora is your best long range damage for those with T2 guns, or Radio for T1. Standard crystals are your mid-range choice. Given you will swap crystals frequently and rapidly, its easiest to call for colors – Red = Radio/Aurora, White = Multifrequency, Yellow - Standard
  
 
==Fleet Composition and Fits==
 
==Fleet Composition and Fits==
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====Primary DD Fit====
 
====Primary DD Fit====
The primary focus is on maximizing your volley damage at range. 2 Gyrostabilizers provide a substantial damage boost, while the tracking enhancers help maximise application. The Hurricanes are fast, but aren’t cap stable, and fitting a cap booster reduces your already sub-par tank, so careful module management is necessary from the FC to maintain range without perma-running the MWD. Orders such as “prop mods on, 2 cycles” are a common feature of Hurricane fleets
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The only real point of contention of a Harbinger fleet is the mid slots. An MWD and Cap Booster are essential to allow mobility and cap stability respectively, yet this leaves two mid-slots free. At least one is used for a tracking computer, usually with tracking speed script loaded by default. The second can be used for unbonused EWAR – Damps are often used to shut down enemy kiting ships or Logi. However for simplicity, and also to compensate for low skills, the Uni suggested fit below uses two tracking computers instead. Scripts should be swapped depending on engagement tactics, and also on skills – if a pilot cannot reach the range that the fleet is fighting at, the scripts can be used to assist with this
  
Given the need to maximize your volley damage, fitting command bursts onto some of the Hurricanes themselves rather than placing a pilot into a dedicated command destroyer, which while useful, doesn't add much to your damage output. You will struggle to fit the Command Burst alongside a full rack of T2 guns, however T1 guns are generally perfectly adequate for this fleet, given the slight extra range is rarely used. Your priority is information boosts for lock range, with Skirmish boosts secondary for speed and reduced signature radius, with shield tanking boosts as a final priority
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As usual with battlecruiser fleets, you have the option to incorporate Command Bursts into the mainline DD themselves – this lets you maximize your DPS ships. However as noted above, Harbingers work well with Command Destroyers for the use of Micro Jump Field Generators, so this may be a case where you would be better placed to favor a dedicated ship for your command bursts
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====Logi====
 
====Logi====
Due to their light tank, and poor resists, Hurricanes do not scale as well with Logi as some other doctrines, however a small Logi wing is still very useful to repair light damage. BLAP Ospreys are the E-Uni standard and work perfectly well, although you should be wary of compromising your DD wing (and therefore alpha strike) in order to get more Logi
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As a fighting doctrine, Harbingers need a good Logistics wing to maximize their sustained damage over the course of a pitched battle. Either the Augoror or Exequeror are fine here, although need to be MWD fitted to keep up with the mainline ships. The Augoror offers a more forgiving fitting, and better tank for Uni fleets
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====Support Ships====
 
====Support Ships====
Support ships are fairly standard – Interceptors for scouts, Interdictors for bubbles
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Support ships are fairly standard – Interceptors for scouts, Interdictors for bubbles.
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A Huginn or two for long webs can be very useful for taking down smaller scouts or tackle trying to get under your guns, or for ships trying to pull range
  
Target painters are very useful in a fleet such as this, to maximize the alpha strike, so a valuable role, especially for lower skilled pilots, is to fly a ship such as the Bellicose, which helps the entire fleet perform better
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As mentioned, Command Destroyers work well in this fleet, both for use of command bursts and for the MJFG. Your primary Command Bursts are your tanking ones, so there is little to choose between the Pontifex and Magus for the role. Magus is marginally preferred for skirmish boosts, but either works fine.
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Should you wish to add a dedicated Command Burst ship rather than using the Hurricanes themselves, a Command Ship is the optimum choice, with the Sleipnir the natural fit given its bonuses. However a Command Ship is an expensive and SP intensive option in a Uni fleet, and you may wish to dedicate the role to a Command Destroyer such as the Stork
 
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Beam Harbingers

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Beam Harbingers follow a fairly standard fitting philosophy for T1 Battlecruiser doctrines – using long range weapons (beam lasers in this case) to project up to a substantial range, while still holding a decent tank and reasonable close range application for brawling

Beam Harbingers are a solid all-rounder of a combat doctrine. They lack the double range bonus of the Ferox, or the high volley damage of the Hurricane, instead gaining a larger overall damage boost, and marginally improved tracking. In general, Harbingers are usually considered a second tier doctrine for most groups, but they still make for an effective, well rounded fleet – and one which can sometimes surprise an opponent due to not being as ubiquitous as Feroxes or Hurricanes

Implementation

Beam Harbingers are essentially a well-rounded fighting doctrine, as opposed to a skirmish (Hurricanes) or sniping doctrine (Feroxes). They can opt to fight at 60-70km with Aurora crystals and out-range some other doctrines, however this is still only considered mid-range by EVE standards, and they can and will be kited at this range by Feroxes, sniper Battleships, or doctrines such as Cerberuses. Instead, Harbingers are best used as flexible mid-range brawlers

The Harbinger compares roughly equally against other T1 battlecruiser doctrines such as FCC Feroxes in terms of tank and speed, but its unique strengths are its low signature radius (due to an armor tank), superior overall damage output from its damage bonus and drone bay, and good tracking compared to railgun fitted ships, especially when utilizing a tracking computer in its mid-slots. The instant ammunition switching of laser turrets is also a useful strength

Given these features, its slight advantage over its comparables is in its combination of strong close ranged performance and good projection. As an example of how this might work; against a Ferox fleet, a Harbinger fleet would aim to start a fight in brawl range, taking advantage of its superior damage, tracking and signature radius, then as an opponent pulls range on you, rapidly switch through the longer range crystals to maintain damage – taking advantage of their laser’s instant ammunition switches. Most times, by the time a doctrine such as Feroxes has pulled enough range to kite you, you will have applied a substantial blow to their fleet via your superior close range damage

Against other doctrines with shorter ranges than the Harbinger (such as most Cruiser doctrines or actual brawlers), a Harbinger fleet may choose to pull range and snipe from up to 60km with Aurora which it can do equally effectively

Despite their armor tank, the Harbingers have surprisingly good speed and agility, and while other ships can pull range eventually, you are likely to keep them in range for quite some time

The worst case for a Harbinger fleet is to start a fight with a sniping doctrine at range already, forcing you to slowly burn in towards them. An interesting way to maximize the Harbingers effectiveness is in combination with a Command Destroyer with a Micro-Jump Field Generator. This can allow the fleet to instantly jump 100km in any direction, letting you jump on top of, or at least closer to, a kiting doctrine set up at range, or slowly pulling out of your range. With a couple of these ships, it is very difficult for any fleet to kite you out permanently

Multifrequency is your highest damage and default ammunition for brawling. Aurora is your best long range damage for those with T2 guns, or Radio for T1. Standard crystals are your mid-range choice. Given you will swap crystals frequently and rapidly, its easiest to call for colors – Red = Radio/Aurora, White = Multifrequency, Yellow - Standard

Fleet Composition and Fits

Primary DD Fit

The only real point of contention of a Harbinger fleet is the mid slots. An MWD and Cap Booster are essential to allow mobility and cap stability respectively, yet this leaves two mid-slots free. At least one is used for a tracking computer, usually with tracking speed script loaded by default. The second can be used for unbonused EWAR – Damps are often used to shut down enemy kiting ships or Logi. However for simplicity, and also to compensate for low skills, the Uni suggested fit below uses two tracking computers instead. Scripts should be swapped depending on engagement tactics, and also on skills – if a pilot cannot reach the range that the fleet is fighting at, the scripts can be used to assist with this

As usual with battlecruiser fleets, you have the option to incorporate Command Bursts into the mainline DD themselves – this lets you maximize your DPS ships. However as noted above, Harbingers work well with Command Destroyers for the use of Micro Jump Field Generators, so this may be a case where you would be better placed to favor a dedicated ship for your command bursts

Logi

As a fighting doctrine, Harbingers need a good Logistics wing to maximize their sustained damage over the course of a pitched battle. Either the Augoror or Exequeror are fine here, although need to be MWD fitted to keep up with the mainline ships. The Augoror offers a more forgiving fitting, and better tank for Uni fleets

Support Ships

Support ships are fairly standard – Interceptors for scouts, Interdictors for bubbles. A Huginn or two for long webs can be very useful for taking down smaller scouts or tackle trying to get under your guns, or for ships trying to pull range

As mentioned, Command Destroyers work well in this fleet, both for use of command bursts and for the MJFG. Your primary Command Bursts are your tanking ones, so there is little to choose between the Pontifex and Magus for the role. Magus is marginally preferred for skirmish boosts, but either works fine.