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Hi. I appreciate your analysis ... it's very helpful. One overarching response: UniWiki seems to serve two conflicting audiences: expert players who want detailed, analytic insight into the bowels of the game, and new players who are trying to integrate a wide variety of factual bits and want surveys and examples. I got started trying to edit here when I wanted to find the basic difference between a missile and a projectile, and the two pages were mostly mathematics about explosion radius and falloff distance. I understand those now, but at the time it was very frustrating.

*[[Tanking]]. The question that new players ask is "how should I fit my frigate?" They're really not interested in the math of stacking penalties - nor should they be ... one of the things that makes this game so much fun is that there's always more to learn. But I agree with you that the sample fits are out of place. I'll delete them.

*Note: when UniWiki removed the fittings examples from its ship description pages, it didn't just delete information, it deleted authority. Experts argue about how to best fit ship for a given situation, but new players just want to see a fit or two that experts generally agree is OK. (EVE Workbench doesn't provide that ... it's impossible to tell which of their fittings work well.) I can see why it's controversial, but it stills feels like an unfilled need.

*[[Weapons]]. The definition of "weapon" is a module that affects an enemy ship. That doesn't necessarily imply damage. It looks to me like E-War is on the line between damage and logistics. But unless it is its own category, it has to be ''something''. (I don't have any experience with the newest weapons, so someone else will have to make those changes.)

*[[Scanning]]. If you're a new player, who has never dealt with the words "directional" or "probe", and you type "scanning" into the search box, what should happen? I looked at some of the [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Scanning|page links]]. Many, if not most, of them deal with exploration, and the Exploration template has "scanning" in its list. I don't see why that necessarily should take you to probe scanning, as d-scan is pretty useful in exploration. Many of the others are lines like: "You may refer to the Scanning and Exploration guides if you want to learn about finding wormholes." If you want to delete the page, I won't argue, but I don't quite understand your point ... what did the word "scanning" link to before? Or am I not understanding the problem?

*Yeah, you're surely right that there are a number of incomplete entries, not to mention flat out errors. Ummm ... there's a lot I don't know; and so it goes. I don't envy you the job of trying to keep all this info straight.

*[[Missiles]] are slow: The new player's question is - "what's the difference between a missile and a laser?" How do you answer that in one sentence? This gets back to my earlier point. Expert players will read that box and laugh at how simplistic it is. But new players will, one hopes, realize that missiles have to travel while laser beams are instantaneous. Again, if you want to delete it, I won't argue. But I don't see that it's enormously misleading.

*I get your point on the small edits. If I keep editing, I'll find a way to make fewer small changes.

*I went to this page [[UniWiki:To-Do List]] expecting to find a list of things to do. [[User:Noemie belacqua]] is listed at the bottom as one of the curators, and since I had talked to her a year or two ago, I went to check her page. Her to-do list is still up, and there's no obvious way to see that she's not active.

*I'll have to think about whether or not I want to keep doing this. I honestly don't have time for bureaucracy, benign as it might be. And my main purpose is, you know, to play the game.

*No hard feelings. I DO appreciate your comments - insight into how this wiki works is good stuff.

*Take care and stay safe.

[[User:qwer stoneghost|Qwer Stoneghost]] [[User talk:qwer stoneghost|talk]] Sun, Nov 22, 2020 11:01 EST US

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+Hi. I appreciate your analysis ... it's very helpful. One overarching response: UniWiki seems to serve two conflicting audiences: expert players who want detailed, analytic insight into the bowels of the game, and new players who are trying to integrate a wide variety of factual bits and want surveys and examples. I got started trying to edit here when I wanted to find the basic difference between a missile and a projectile, and the two pages were mostly mathematics about explosion radius and falloff distance. I understand those now, but at the time it was very frustrating.
+*[[Tanking]]. The question that new players ask is "how should I fit my frigate?" They're really not interested in the math of stacking penalties - nor should they be ... one of the things that makes this game so much fun is that there's always more to learn. But I agree with you that the sample fits are out of place. I'll delete them.
+*Note: when UniWiki removed the fittings examples from its ship description pages, it didn't just delete information, it deleted authority. Experts argue about how to best fit ship for a given situation, but new players just want to see a fit or two that experts generally agree is OK. (EVE Workbench doesn't provide that ... it's impossible to tell which of their fittings work well.) I can see why it's controversial, but it stills feels like an unfilled need.
+*[[Weapons]]. The definition of "weapon" is a module that affects an enemy ship. That doesn't necessarily imply damage. It looks to me like E-War is on the line between damage and logistics. But unless it is its own category, it has to be ''something''. (I don't have any experience with the newest weapons, so someone else will have to make those changes.)
+*[[Scanning]]. If you're a new player, who has never dealt with the words "directional" or "probe", and you type "scanning" into the search box, what should happen? I looked at some of the [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Scanning|page links]]. Many, if not most, of them deal with exploration, and the Exploration template has "scanning" in its list. I don't see why that necessarily should take you to probe scanning, as d-scan is pretty useful in exploration. Many of the others are lines like: "You may refer to the Scanning and Exploration guides if you want to learn about finding wormholes." If you want to delete the page, I won't argue, but I don't quite understand your point ... what did the word "scanning" link to before? Or am I not understanding the problem?
+*Yeah, you're surely right that there are a number of incomplete entries, not to mention flat out errors. Ummm ... there's a lot I don't know; and so it goes. I don't envy you the job of trying to keep all this info straight.
+*[[Missiles]] are slow: The new player's question is - "what's the difference between a missile and a laser?" How do you answer that in one sentence? This gets back to my earlier point. Expert players will read that box and laugh at how simplistic it is. But new players will, one hopes, realize that missiles have to travel while laser beams are instantaneous. Again, if you want to delete it, I won't argue. But I don't see that it's enormously misleading.
+*I get your point on the small edits. If I keep editing, I'll find a way to make fewer small changes.
+*I went to this page [[UniWiki:To-Do List]] expecting to find a list of things to do. [[User:Noemie belacqua]] is listed at the bottom as one of the curators, and since I had talked to her a year or two ago, I went to check her page. Her to-do list is still up, and there's no obvious way to see that she's not active.
+*I'll have to think about whether or not I want to keep doing this. I honestly don't have time for bureaucracy, benign as it might be. And my main purpose is, you know, to play the game.
+*No hard feelings. I DO appreciate your comments - insight into how this wiki works is good stuff.
+*Take care and stay safe.
+[[User:qwer stoneghost|Qwer Stoneghost]] [[User talk:qwer stoneghost|talk]] Sun, Nov 22, 2020 11:01 EST US
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