User:Cassiel Seraphim/Sandbox5

Useful training for alts

It is no secret that having alts or several accounts are extremely useful in EVE. Incursions are no different and we can make good use of alts for a wide variety of things, especially unistas during war.

The training times shown below are assuming the same +3 attribute implants as mentioned at the top of this page.

Scout / hacker

Scouting can be done in pretty much any ship, even shuttles. When it comes to hacking there are a few skills that help.

Ship skills	Navigation skills	Hacking
~ XX days and YY hours	~ XX days and YY hours	~ XX days and YY hours
XXX XXX	Caldari Frigate I	XXX XXX

Orca

The Orca is a wonderful ship that's more like a mobile base than just a ship. It has a ship maintenance bay to store ship, enough cargo hold to carry lots of ammo as well as spare modules, an ore hold for lyavite. Its refitting services and fleet hangar is also very useful for changing things up while in space, or to have a nearby stock of lyavite handy in a non-station system.

Even if you fly this ship on an alt that you cannot have logged on at the same time as your main character, the Orca is a tremendously useful ship.

Training into the Orca

Support skills	Ship skills	Leadership skills	Navigation skills
~ 6 days and 7 hours	~ 5 days and 15 hours	~ 10 days and 16 hours	~ 1 days and 19 hours
Cybernetics I Mechanics III Energy Management III Energy Systems Operation III Hull Upgrades IV Tactical Shield Manipulation IV Jury Rigging I	Spaceship Command V ORE Industrial III Industrial Command Ships I	Leadership I Mining Foreman V Mining Director I	Afterburner III High Speed Maneuvering III Acceleration Control III Warp Drive Operation III
~ 24 days and 9 hours worth of training in total

Minimum Orca fit

Orca: Minimum skills

EFT

[Orca, Minimum skills]

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II

Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

FITTING DIFFICULTY

EVE VERSION

ODY 1.0

ALPHA CAN USE

UNSET

EFT

SKILLS

NOTES

RECOMMENDED SKILLS

NOTES

• With everything turned off, you still have 92 - 96k ehp.
• With just the Damage Control II turned on, you have 195 - 200k ehp.
• With the shield hardeners turned on, your ehp goes up to 209 - 230k.

Ore Hold

The ore hold is perfect for lyavite and can hold up to 163 full stacks which is 41,575 units of ore. (the hold itself can take 50,000 m3 worth of any ore and is unaffected by skill)

Fleet Hangar

The fleet hangar is another 40,000 m3 that can hold just about anything (including rigged frigates). This hold can be used for spare modules and ore to be available to fleet members, or just secondary storage.

Ship Maintenance Bay

Nothing in the maintenance bay will drop if your ship is destroyed, they will simply be destroyed along with your ship. This makes it very useful for denying suicide gankers their profit by putting the costly modules on ships inside the maintenance bay. Keep in mind that you would still lose those ships and modules, but they wouldn't be a contributing factor when suicide gankers calculate the profit of ganking you.

The ship maintenance bay is 400,000 m3 worth of assembled ships which is enough to hold ships as large as a battlecruiser-hull, or a selection of cruiser-hull or smaller. You could fill out the maintenance bay with some extra ships for exploration, low level missioning (or even high level missioning with a Tengu), mining ships (for lyavite or just in general). For those with the skills to fly several ships, it is also ideal for moving multiple logistics or strategical cruisers as well as a command ship.

Below is a list of ships and how much room they take up:

Logistics and strategic cruisers					Command ships		Other ships
89,000 m3	107,000 m3	118,000 m3	80,000 m3	92,000 m3	216,000 m3	252,000 m3	18,900 m3	100,000 m3

Making the most of it

If you can afford to spend a little more time on it, there are various things you could do to make life a little easier for your Orca-pilot.

Should you have a lot of time and an interest in mining as well, the Orca is the premier booster for mining operations, shadowed only by the Rorqual. But that would be a considerable time investment.

Support skills	Navigation skills	Mining Foreman links
~ 4 days and 24 hours	~ 7 days and 12 hours	~ 58 days and 22 hours
Mechanics IV Energy Management IV Energy Systems Operation IV Industrial Command Ships III	Warp Drive Operation IV Acceleration Control IV High Speed Maneuvering IV	Cybernetics V  Mining Director V  Warfare Link Specialist IV  Industrial Command Ships IV

Valet alt

Having an alt capable of flying your ships around is invaluable when your main character is at war or otherwise indisposed. If the purpose is just to fly the ship, they wouldn't need any gunnery skills whatsoever.

Below are various levels of training needed for different type of tanking capabilities. As a minimum, the Hull tanking and Ship skills is enough to fit a Damage Control II and Reinforced Bulkhead II modules for a solid 150k+ ehp buffer on a regular tech one battleship. If you train the Additional race as well, the alt could move a pirate faction battleship.

Hull tanking	Ship skills	Additional race	Shield tanking	Better shield tanking
~ 1 day and 23 hours	~ 3 days and 5 hours	~ 2 days and 11 hours	~ 15 minutes	~ 5 day and 11 hours
Mechanics III Hull Upgrades IV	Spaceship Command IV <racial> Frigate III <racial> Destroyer III <racial> Cruiser III <racial> Battlecruiser III <racial> Battleship I	<racial> Frigate III <racial> Destroyer III <racial> Cruiser III <racial> Battlecruiser III <racial> Battleship I	Shield Upgrades I	Shield Upgrades IV Tactical Shield Manipulation IV

Neural remaps

Normally one should be careful about remaps and not spend them needlessly. However, if you are making an alt knowing that it will only train for a month or two and not train anything else after that point, consider using all the remaps.

For example, if you're using a PLEX (Pilot License Extension) to activate Dual Character Training for a month or two, then using all three neural remaps makes sense. It might allow you to squeeze in some more skills or shorten the training time to be within one or two months instead of slightly more.

Common guides

There are several common guides on the wiki already. Our needs in the incursion community is a little different, but it might be useful for general purposes or to get some inspiration of what else to train on your alt.

• Creating an Alt Hauler
• Creating an Alt Miner
• Creating a Scanner Alt
• Creating a Planetary Interaction Alt