Talk:Wormholes

Restored WH table

Enta - I rolled back your latest changes, per the request of UNIs who wanted the large mass table restored. The content you added was good, but that table needs to be preserved. - Neville Smit

Enta, you wiped the Wormhole mass table, again. Is there something wrong about the table? --Seamus donohue (talk) 21:26, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Seamus - don't panic: the Wormhole mass table is still in the wiki - it's now fond via a link from this page to its own dedicated page: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wormhole_Types -- Nev 12 November 2013

Enta - thanks for your edits and additions - and for preserving the old reference table. Nev

Hadn't realized there was a discussion going on here as well. Confirming that it's in the new location and linked through the WH sidebar. - Enta en bauldry (talk) 05:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

List of all WHs

Ekcim compiled a very useful list of all WH systems including their statics, number of moons and planets. I would love to see this on our wiki. Can we get this information on our wiki and maybe even copy the googledoc to our server so we keep access in case Ekcim at one point deletes his googledoc?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Agw0iumi5pswdFdBRkJQZEpiX2hCRkg4U29Bb2FZcXc#gid=0

That would be quite a massive list. We could do it, but would anybody use it over Wormnav? Enta en bauldry (talk) 10:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

It looks pretty awful as a wiki page. Maybe just add a link. I also agree with Enta though. Not sure on its use --Terra infector adoudel (talk) 16:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

If you look for a new WH home, it is handy to find out which WHs fit your criteria (class, statics, nr. of moons, planets) and you can contact others with the exact WH number as well as offer ISK for finding a certain WH.

Plural page title

Title of this page is plural, 'Wormholes'. On a wiki, most people expect titles to be singular ('Wormhole'). This is why 'Wormhole' as a link is the most wanted page. I'd suggest to rename this page to 'Wormhole' and fix all referring links. The alternative is a redirect on a new page 'Wormhole', however this redirect was deleted by Kelduum not long ago, I assume to prepare for a more standard solution. My question: Is it worth it, and am I allowed to fix all this? I'd be happy to do it for this page and possible others. -Elijah Borceforth 19:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Name of W-Space systems

After reading those pages http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Anoikis_%28Chronicle%29 http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Anoikis http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Arek%27Jaalan_Library I think we should mention that WH space systems are called Anoikis.

Pitheas

It's a wiki, go add it! --Terra infector adoudel (talk) 18:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

WHC info

Something similar to what has been added across the top of the incursion page, to link to the E-Uni WHC page would make sense here. -- Jindo Lee (talk) 16:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

"dissipating into the ether"

On 2024-01-21, I watched an end-of-life wormhole for 3 hours. Specifically, one of my alts was orbiting a Wormhole A641; I used the "Look At" function on the wormhole, I had the wormhole in the Selected Item box, and I was clicking the Show Info button at irregular intervals over those 3 hours. I just so happened to be clicking the Show Info button every second when the wormhole despawned. The last text blurb in the Show Info window was "reaching the end of its natural lifetime". At no point in time did I observe the phrase "dissipating into the ether".

Additional testing and observations are required, but the "dissipating into the ether" phase might not exist.

--Seamus Donohue (talk) 00:31, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Brigadier Mahafatifati in E-UNI Discord #wiki wrote: "the show info doesn't update unless someone jumps through or you warp off and warp back" --Evon R'al (talk) 08:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

It definitely does not exist between t-1 to t-15 minutes of the 15 window claimed. I recall anecdotal references of it being seen just before the collapse animation however if we have evidence of someone not seeing it after checking show info every second as it disappeared I think its enough to be removed. Good luck asking someone to keep clicking show info on a wormhole at the right time. History on the edit shows that it was removed but made it back again as a possibility and edited later to add certainty to the comment.

Requesting a new show info while on grid does give you updated information when going from not yet begun to beginning to decay and from beginning to decay to reaching the end. The claim that it doesn't update just for this status unless the grid is refreshed or a session change is invoked (by any party) seems unusual and can't form basis as evidence here unless the claim itself can be verified. This should not stop removal suggested by Seamus Donohue. -- Biwako Acami (talk) (I forgot how to timestamp with my name)

I have the word of multiple EVE Online Partners, some of which are foremost experts in wormholes, that such a phrase has not been observed. Arin Mara (talk) 08:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

The phrasing does exist in the shared cache as of 2024-02-15. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772560883510411284/1207642062648909824/image.png?ex=65e06350&is=65cdee50&hm=e61cc9b8cc059bfdcd5b3110982217c8c2e53b6d005581d4d278753144943329& and https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/772560883510411284/1207640136872103977/image.png?ex=65e06185&is=65cdec85&hm=03c849c97c43f97176615398bbc552fbbbcc7f7384778f8d7962b679fa64c118&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1588&height=436 --InfinitasX (talk) 11:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Due to InfinitasX presenting compelling evidence, I'm reversing the edit with which I deleted the mention of the "dissipating into the ether" wormhole state. Additionally, if it comes to pass that anyone is able to produce evidence that captures the existence of such a state in the "Show Info" window, that would mean that there exists a 4th wormhole state. Arin Mara (talk) 14:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I think its fair to say that while it may exist there is no evidence of an upper limit of 15 minutes in the time window. I personally have seen a few collapse in front of me and none have shown this text within 1-15 mins of it being set to collapse. 15 minutes is a long time for such a state to go unnoticed for so many years. The wording should not specify a duration since the value is unknown at this time. Biwako Acami (talk) 13:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Another witness statement, I warped to a wormhole as it was disappearing. When I was on grid there was only the wormhole. The cosmic signature location had already disappeared. When i clicked show info the wormhole had end of life text and did not change to 'dissipates'. The wormhole disappeared while I was trying to toggle sensor overlay. While the text exists in the shared cache, I question if it is actually implemented in game. Biwako Acami (talk) 13:26, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

If this video doesn't convince anyone then I don't know what more you want. I jump a wormhole and keep clicking show info as the wormhole collapses. Wormhole collapses shortly after 2:20 minutes into the video. No sign of this elusive text. Biwako Acami (talk) 20:25, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Proving a negative is impossible, yet you did it by showing that at the very moment of wormhole collapse, the forth wormhole state exists in shared cache only. Thank you! Arin Mara (talk) 13:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)