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== Drawing images ==

* Copy the ~~following strings into separate~~ .~~xml files~~:

Each image links to a file that allows you to draw the graph. [[User:Arin Mara|Arin Mara]] ([[User talk:Arin Mara|talk]]) 16:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

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== Misleading medium structure graph ==

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[[User:Arin Mara|Arin Mara]] ([[User talk:Arin Mara|talk]]) 16:05, 20 June 2022 (UTC) on behalf of [[User:Inanashi Mayumi]]

* Use [https://~~app~~.~~diagrams~~.~~net~~/ ~~App Diagrams]~~ to ~~open~~ the ~~saved XML files and construct~~ the ~~Vulnerability images~~

"Hello, i noticed that some time ago the graph about Upwell structures vulnerability got changed due to game changes, however it seems to be misleading about medium structures

Per eve's support article https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/208289385-Upwell-Structures-Vulnerability-States

A structure without online service modules will be in "Low Power" state. This will not change the reinforcement phases for medium structures.

However on the graph https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/images/6/65/Upwell_reinforcing.png - https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Vulnerability

M/L/XL structure with online service modules -> No -> Armor (vulnerable)

Which means that if there's an Athanor (Medium size refinery) that moves into Low Power state, according to the Wiki graph it would be completely destroyable in one go before getting abandoned.

Additionally, the support article provides a separate graph for medium structures for what happens at which power state, which clearly shows that Low Power does not remove the Shield reinforcement cycle from medium structures (though it also (in a copy/paste fashion from the x/xl structure graph) claims that there are 2 reinforcements for medium structures, but that's besides the point i'm making)"

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 == Drawing images ==
-* Copy the following strings into separate .xml files:
+Each image links to a file that allows you to draw the graph. [[User:Arin Mara|Arin Mara]] ([[User talk:Arin Mara|talk]]) 16:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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+== Misleading medium structure graph ==
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+[[User:Arin Mara|Arin Mara]] ([[User talk:Arin Mara|talk]]) 16:05, 20 June 2022 (UTC) on behalf of [[User:Inanashi Mayumi]]
-* Use [https://app.diagrams.net/ App Diagrams] to open the saved XML files and construct the Vulnerability images
+"Hello, i noticed that some time ago the graph about Upwell structures vulnerability got changed due to game changes, however it seems to be misleading about medium structures
+Per eve's support article https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/208289385-Upwell-Structures-Vulnerability-States
+    A structure without online service modules will be in "Low Power" state. This will not change the reinforcement phases for medium structures.
+However on the graph https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/images/6/65/Upwell_reinforcing.png - https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Vulnerability
+    M/L/XL structure with online service modules -> No -> Armor (vulnerable)
+Which means that if there's an Athanor (Medium size refinery) that moves into Low Power state, according to the Wiki graph it would be completely destroyable in one go before getting abandoned.
+Additionally, the support article provides a separate graph for medium structures for what happens at which power state, which clearly shows that Low Power does not remove the Shield reinforcement cycle from medium structures (though it also (in a copy/paste fashion from the x/xl structure graph) claims that there are 2 reinforcements for medium structures, but that's besides the point i'm making)"