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Incursion fleets rely on good resists and buffer supported by a logistics. There are simply too many enemies to be able to fit a strong enough local tank, not to mention that by sacrificing a small portion of your fleet to bring in logistics instead of more damage dealers, the rest of the damage dealers can fit more offensive modules and your fleet will perform better. | Incursion fleets rely on good resists and buffer supported by a logistics. There are simply too many enemies to be able to fit a strong enough local tank, not to mention that by sacrificing a small portion of your fleet to bring in logistics instead of more damage dealers, the rest of the damage dealers can fit more offensive modules and your fleet will perform better. | ||
− | Once you have a good enough tank, the rest of your spare slots should be used to augment your damage potential. While there's such a thing as under-tanked, being over-tanked is not only wasteful in incursions but even dangerous if done at the cost of | + | Once you have a good enough tank, the rest of your spare slots should be used to augment your damage potential. While there's such a thing as under-tanked, being over-tanked is not only wasteful in incursions but even dangerous if done at the cost of offence. |
− | See [[Preparing for Incursions]] for more information about what skills | + | See [[Preparing for Incursions]] for more information about what skills we ask that members of the [[EVE University Incursion Community]] have trained. While other communities might have similar requirements, this is just what we recommend. |
− | == | + | == Shield vs armour doctrines == |
− | + | Incursions can be done with both armour and shield doctrines, but there is a certain game design bias towards shield ships and fits. | |
− | + | * Shield tanking modules are less skill-dependant compared to armour, since the passive armour modules require high armour compensation skills to function effectively. | |
+ | * Armour tanking modules have much stronger passive resists, allowing them to ensure high resists despite being neuted out. This is more of a benefit for headquarter sites as there are more neuting capable ships there, unlike vanguards where the neuting risk can be removed reliably. | ||
+ | * Remote shield booster modules apply their repairs at the beginning of the cycle, while remote armour repairers apply their repairs at the end of the cycle. This makes it easier to manage sudden aggro-shifts with shield logistics. | ||
− | + | In the [[EVE University Incursion Community]] we run almost exclusively shield fleets due to the fact that it's slightly faster to train the shield skills. | |
− | The | + | == Omni damage and resists == |
+ | The Sansha incursion rats deal damage in two ways, lasers (EM and thermal) and torpedoes (kinetic and explosive). As such, they hit across all four resist types. While you can sometimes compensate for a low kinetic resist by having a higher explosive resist, or get away with lower resists due to having a small signature and high speed, generally you don't have the luxury of having resist holes in incursions. | ||
− | + | Just as they do damage across the board, the Sansha incursion rats have omni tanks as well. The only notable exception is the '''Lirsautton Parichaya''', it's a little weaker against thermal damage and stronger against explosive damage. So contrary to missions where Amarr and Gallente weapons are somewhat limited due to their set damage types, these weapons are not hampered by resists in incursions. | |
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− | + | You can find out more statistics about the Sansha incursion rats on the [[Sansha's Manual]] page. | |
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− | The | + | == Applied DPS == |
− | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90% | + | One of the most important aspects to realize is that whatever DPS (damage per second) your favourite third party fitting tool tells you that you have, or whatever the fitting window ingame tells you, is worth nothing if you cannot apply that damage. Hence the term ''"applied DPS"'' as opposed to ''"paper DPS"'' which is basically just your potential damage. |
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+ | Your velocity, your target's velocity, approach vectors, your gun's signature resolution, your target's ship signature, locking speed, locking range, your weapon's optimal and falloff range and tracking all play a vital part in how much of your damage you'll be able to apply on your enemy. See [[Turret Damage|turret damage]] or the [[Gunnery Guide|gunnery guide]] for a more comprehensive introduction to the factors determining how much damage you'll end up doing when you undock and leave your theoretical bubble. Practically this means that utility modules often make or break fleets. | ||
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+ | We always use faction ammunition in incursions for the added damage compared to regular tech one ammunition. Certain tech two ammunition is used for specific ships or roles, like '''Null L''' for blaster boats or '''Scorch L''' for pulse lasers, but most of the time you'll be using faction ammunition since it does not suffer the tracking or range penalties most short range tech two ammunitions do. | ||
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+ | == Utility modules == | ||
+ | Utility modules refer to modules you fit that doesn't directly give you a higher dps in your favourite third party fitting program or on your fitting screen ingame. Instead they act as force multipliers of sorts making up for weaknesses or capitalize on strengths for increased efficiency. There are also modules that has no impact on your offensive capabilities, but are invaluable when things go wrong. | ||
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+ | ! [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px|Utility midslot]] Utility medium slots | ||
+ | ! [[image:icon hi slot.png|24px|Utility highslot]] Utility high slots | ||
+ | ! [[image:icon drones.png|24px|Utility drones]] Utility drones | ||
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+ | | valign="top" style="padding:4px;" | [[image:icon_sensor_booster_ii.png|24px|link]] '''Sensor Booster II'''<br>[[image:icon_stasis_webifier_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Federation Navy Stasis Webifier'''<br>[[image:icon_tracking_computer_ii.png|24px|link=]] '''Tracking Computer II'''<br>[[image:icon_target_painter_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Republic Fleet Target Painter''' | ||
+ | | valign="top" style="padding:4px;" | [[image:icon_shield_transporter_i.png|24px|link=]] Large Asymmetric Enduring Remote Shield Booster<br>[[image:Icon remote capacitor transmitter ii.png|24px|link=]] Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II<br>[[image:icon auto targeting system i.png|24px|link=]] Auto Targeting System I<br>[[image:icon_drone_link_augmentor_i.png|24px|link=]] Drone Link Augmentor I | ||
+ | | valign="top" style="padding:4px;" | [[image:Icon ISIS weapon Drones.png|24px|link=]] Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot I<br>[[image:Icon ISIS weapon Drones.png|24px|link=]] Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I<br>[[image:Icon ISIS weapon Drones.png|24px|link=]] Light Shield Maintenance Bot I<br>[[image:Icon ISIS weapon Drones.png|24px|link=]] Light Armor Maintenance Bot I | ||
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+ | While the exact fits vary between communities as well as fleet compositions, there are a few common grounds for using utility mids. In vanguards, the sensor boosters allow you to lock up the much smaller frigates more quickly, webs are used to help apply damage to enemies that come close, while painters and tracking computers help apply damage at range. The same can be said for assaults and headquarters, although the need for sensor boosters rapidly diminish as you move on from vanguards, as there are fewer frigates in assaults and headquarter sites, reducing the need for sensor boosters. They are sometimes only needed on dronebunnies or to push your locking range. | ||
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+ | Utility highs are selected based on individual ship needs or what type of logistics you have. A fleet with scimitars will often focus on remote shield boosters on battleships with utility highs for emergencies, unless individual ships require a cap chain in order to have enough cap (like certain nightmare fits). A fleet with basilisks might need a few spare remote capacitor transmitters amongst their damage dealers, in case one of the basilisks disconnects and they need someone else to establish a cap chain with. The auto targeting module (extra locks) and drone link augmentor (to push drone control range far enough to reach enemies where they spawn) are rare options, but used in case you don't need more remote shield boosters or remote capacitor transmitters. | ||
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+ | As for utility drones, you have the choice of replacing some of your damage dealing drones with maintenance bots, or carry both, for emergencies. | ||
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+ | ==== Supporting short or long range setups ==== | ||
+ | The priority for certain utility modules change depending on your setup. If you're fighting mostly within web range, webs themselves end up giving you far more applied damage than tracking computers do. On top of that, they benefit everyone who's shooting that target and not just you. But if you're engaging primarily at range, outside web range, a web is utterly useless and you benefit more from a target painter or local tracking computers to improve your damage application. While sensor boosters are critical in [[Incursion_sites#Vanguard_sites|vanguards]], they are less important in [[Incursion_sites#Assault_sites|assaults]] and [[Incursion_sites#Headquarter_sites|headquarters]]. | ||
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+ | Below are some examples of how you could change your midslots depending on your fleet composition for vanguards. | ||
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− | ! | + | ! colspan="2" | Short range |
− | ! style="background:#222222;" | + | ! colspan="2" | Long range |
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− | ! | + | ! Flexible<small> <ref>If your fleet has a decent amount of webs already, a tracking computer to increase your tracking or extend your range will benefit you more than adding another web.</ref></small> |
− | + | ! Dedicated webber<small> <ref>If you're one of the few with webs, use as many as possible to capitalize on your role.</ref></small> | |
− | |- | + | ! Flexible<small> <ref>In fleets where you're shooting targets both at range and within web range, a mix might be beneficial if you don't have dedicated webbers.</ref></small> |
− | + | ! Alpha doctrine<small> <ref>In a setup where you rely on shooting things where they spawn, you need both the tracking and range as well as the ability to quickly lock targets up. In competitions the faster lock time is also advantageous.</ref></small> | |
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− | [[ | + | | style="padding:4px;" | [[image:icon_sensor_booster_ii.png|24px|link]] '''Sensor Booster II'''<br>[[image:icon_stasis_webifier_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Federation Navy Stasis Webifier'''<br>[[image:icon_stasis_webifier_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Federation Navy Stasis Webifier'''<br>[[image:icon_tracking_computer_i.png|24px|link=]] '''Tracking Computer II''' |
− | [[image: | + | | style="padding:4px;" | [[image:icon_sensor_booster_ii.png|24px|link]] '''Sensor Booster II'''<br>[[image:icon_stasis_webifier_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Federation Navy Stasis Webifier'''<br>[[image:icon_stasis_webifier_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Federation Navy Stasis Webifier'''<br>[[image:icon_stasis_webifier_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Federation Navy Stasis Webifier''' |
− | + | | style="padding:4px;" | [[image:icon_sensor_booster_ii.png|24px|link]] '''Sensor Booster II'''<br>[[image:icon_stasis_webifier_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Federation Navy Stasis Webifier'''<br>[[image:icon_target_painter_faction.png|24px|link=]] '''Republic Fleet Target Painter'''<br>[[image:icon_tracking_computer_i.png|24px|link=]] '''Tracking Computer II''' | |
− | [[ | + | | style="padding:4px;" | [[image:icon_sensor_booster_ii.png|24px|link]] '''Sensor Booster II'''<br>[[image:icon_sensor_booster_ii.png|24px|link]] '''Sensor Booster II'''<br>[[image:icon_tracking_computer_i.png|24px|link=]] '''Tracking Computer II'''<br>[[image:icon_tracking_computer_i.png|24px|link=]] '''Tracking Computer II'''<br> |
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− | + | ==== Standard loadout for the EVE University Incursion Community ==== | |
− | + | In the [[EVE University Incursion Community]] we focus primarily on the ability to get rid of warp disrupt capable ships, which are mostly frigates. That means we go for the more flexible fittings to ensure decent locking times and enough webs and painters to apply damage. | |
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+ | When in doubt, just follow the recommended fits on the [[Vanguard Incursion fits|Vanguard]] page or ask your '''fleet commander''' for advice. | ||
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+ | == Drones == | ||
+ | Drones can be a tremendous asset, if you pick the right ones and use them intelligently. The sum of all the drones in fleet can easily amount to the equivalent of adding an extra pilot or two on grid, so it's not something to treat lightly. See [[Anatomy_of_Incursions#Utilizing_drones|utilizing drones]] for tactical information on how to make the most of drones. | ||
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+ | ==== Drone choice ==== | ||
+ | When selecting drones you need to factor in how to get the best mix of microwarpdrive and orbital speeds, as well as tracking and optimal range for the type of fleet and sites you run - generally smaller sites have more frigates, which need fast, well tracking drones. Amarr drones generally provide the best mix for most situations ''except for headquarter sites'' where slower drones, but with higher focused DPS, are useful for taking down large ships. See [[Drones#Light.2C_medium_and_heavy_drones|drones]] for more statistics about drone attributes. | ||
− | + | Below are the drones we recommend within our community: | |
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− | | | + | ! Recommended drones/site |
− | + | ! Light drones | |
− | + | ! Medium drones | |
− | + | ! Heavy drones | |
− | + | ! Sentry drones | |
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− | |- | + | | style="text-align: left;" | [[image:incursions vanguard icon.png|18px|Vanguard sites]] [[Incursion sites#Vanguard sites|Vanguard sites]] |
− | | | + | | '''Acolyte II'''<small> <ref>[[Alpha Clones]] can use {{co|coral|Imperial Navy Acolytes}} instead, due to skill restrictions.</ref></small> |
− | | | + | | <small>{{co|grey|Not recommended}}</small> |
− | + | | <small>{{co|grey|Not recommended}}</small> | |
− | + | | {{co|slateblue|'''Garde II'''}}<small> <ref>{{co|slateblue|(Situational)}} Unbonused sentries have considerably lower tracking and needs to operate at range or stay on cruisers..</ref></small> | |
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− | | | + | | style="text-align: left;" | [[image:incursions assault icon.png|18px|Assault sites]] [[Incursion sites#Assault sites|Assault sites]] |
− | + | | '''Acolyte II''' | |
− | [[ | + | | '''Infiltrator II''' |
− | | | + | | <small>{{co|grey|Not recommended}}</small> |
− | + | | {{co|slateblue|'''Curator II'''}}<small> <ref>{{co|slateblue|(Situational)}} In order to use '''Curator II''' drones you need to remain stationary more often than not. The extra range of curators is needed for the 35 - 65 km engagement range.</ref></small> | |
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− | | | + | | style="text-align: left;" | [[image:incursions headquarter icon.png|18px|Headquarter sites]] [[Incursion sites#Headquarter sites|Headquarter sites]]<small> <ref>Drones are often put on stationary objects in headquarter sites, thus focus shifts from '''Amarr drones''' (speed and application) to '''Gallente drones''' (maximum damage).</ref></small> |
− | + | | '''Hobgoblin II''' | |
− | + | | '''Hammerhead II''' | |
− | + | | '''Ogre II'''<small> <ref>If cost isn't an issue, '''Gecko''' or ''''Augmented' Ogre''' drones are preferred due to increased speed and better damage application.</ref></small> | |
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− | == | + | == Rigging choice == |
− | + | [[image:albert_einstein.jpg|thumb|200px|[[Wikipedia:Albert Einstein|''"It’s all relative, you might say."'']]]] | |
+ | It's very easy to dismiss the importance of the rig selection when buying a new ship. While it's usually not something a new pilot needs to worry about when getting any of the [[Vanguard Incursion fits|minimum fits]] posted on the wiki, it's extremely important for people looking to get a new ship as it heavily influences your options in terms of flexibility and utility slots (which is everything in incursions). Don't spend too much ISK on a temporary setup, either go for a cheap ''"good enough"'' setup while you're saving up for your ideal setup, or just wait until you can afford the whole setup you want in the end. | ||
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+ | For examples of these setups, see the [[#Advanced fits|advanced fits]] section below. | ||
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+ | ==== Electromagnetic or thermal rig ==== | ||
+ | In general the electromagnetic rig will free up more midslots, but tends to require fancier deadspace modules to compensate for the overall lower resists. The thermal rig gives you a stronger and more flexible tank without having to rely on the high-end deadspace modules, at the cost of not being able to free up as many midslots. | ||
− | + | ==== Defence or offence ==== | |
+ | Going for offence means that you're limited to a single tech one resist rig in combination to your burst rig, due to the high calibration cost of the tech two damage rig (a tech one burst rig wouldn't work due to stacking penalties). Choosing a more defensive setup will allow you to fit a tech two resist rig as well as making full use of the other two rigs. The offensive rigs are usually much cheaper than the defensive ones, but since the offensive setup usually has to up the quality of their deadspace modules to get a comparable resist profile, they're often forced to use higher tiered deadspace mods. | ||
− | + | ==== Flexibility vs efficiency vs cost ==== | |
− | + | Given the different needs for tank and utility modules between the different type of sites, most incursion communities go for the most efficient rig setup for the kind of sites they are running. A community running vanguards exclusively often have different setups than those who run headquarters only. Communities that push for high-end fits with expensive deadspace modules usually have different rig selections too, since those stronger modules opens up for a few more options. | |
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− | + | Going for the most efficient setup is of course always going to be the strongest way to do it, but sometimes you have to be practical. In our case, within our community, we factor in flexibility and cost a lot more. We want our members to be able to use the same ship for any type of site without having to resort to spending billions on faction and deadspace modules. That doesn't stop people who want to from doing it, but it does mean that some of our recommended fits will differ quite a lot from that of public communities. | |
− | + | See [[Ship_progression_in_Incursions#Fit_progression|fit progression]] for an example of how your efficiency and flexibility is increased (with additional midslots) going from the cheapest setup to more costly ones. | |
+ | {{clear}} | ||
− | + | == Determining a proper tank == | |
− | + | There are a few easy ways to determine whether a tank is OK or not. Below are some key aspects that help when you're testing your ship in your favorite third-party fitting tool or if you've taken on the role of [[Roles_in_Incursions#Waitlist_manager|waitlist manager]] and need to quickly gauge whether the fit someone x up with is OK or not. | |
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− | = | + | ==== Resist holes ==== |
− | + | A lot of ships share a standard resist profile, so they share the same resist holes and have the same issues and weaknesses. Understanding what innate weaknesses a ship has is key to knowing how to best raise it to the desired high average resists mentioned above. | |
− | + | Below is a list of different resist profiles for various ship classes as well as a few specific ships with deviating profiles. The last column lists the obvious weaknesses of the class/hull, which will help you determine how to best achieve the desired resist profile. Plugging a hole is usually a simple matter of adding a resist rig or a combination of a rig and a shield amplifier, then up the resists in general by using one or two multispectrum hardeners. | |
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− | {| style="font-size:90%;" | + | ! Ship |
+ | ! Base resist profile | ||
+ | ! Comments | ||
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+ | | Regular/faction battleships<small> <ref>Includes '''regular battleships''', '''navy''' and '''fleet issue battleships''' as well as '''pirate faction battleships'''.</ref></small> | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]] 0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]20%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]40%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]50% | ||
+ | | An {{co|slateblue|EM}} hole and a weak {{co|crimson|thermal}} resist. | ||
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+ | | Resist bonused battleships<small> <ref>Like the '''Rokh''' and other ships with 4% per level resist bonuses. The values are assuming maximum skills, so the full +20% better resists.</ref></small> | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]]20%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]36%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]52%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]60% | ||
+ | | Weak {{co|slateblue|EM}} and {{co|crimson|thermal}} resists, but no resist holes. | ||
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− | | [[ | + | | Praxis |
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]]28%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]28%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]28%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]28% | ||
+ | | Weak omni resists. | ||
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− | | [[ | + | | Scimitar |
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]]75%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]60%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]40%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]50% | ||
+ | | No resist holes. | ||
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− | | [[ | + | | Basilisk |
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]] 0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]80%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]70%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]50% | ||
+ | | An {{co|slateblue|EM}} hole. | ||
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− | | | + | ==== Effective shield hit points ==== |
− | | [[image: | + | You can judge your tank by many means, but for Incursions the best way to measure your tank is to look at '''effective shield hit points''' (ESHP), as opposed to '''damage per second repaired''' (DPS-tank) or the generic '''effective hit points''' (EHP). This is because a lot of ships have significant armour and hull hit points, so the effective hit points value can be quite misleading on a battleship with a damage control for example, as the EHP-value skyrockets compared to a ship without a damage control fitted, but very little of it applies to the actual ESHP. You also need to factor in things like speed and signature, because a smaller ship that is orbiting will be a lot harder to hit than a large, stationary ship. So don't casually compare a ship's effective shield hit points against another without taking that into your consideration. |
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+ | ==== Shield hit points and resists ==== | ||
+ | While the above mentioned effective shield hit points is a good measure, it is not always practical to use on the fly. For one it doesn't really tell you if the ship has any glaring resist holes, so for practical reasons we tend to speak in more general terms -- Shield hit points and resists. It's much easier to just ask the pilot ''"How many raw shield hit points do you have?"'' and ''"What are your resists if you undock and turn on all your modules?"''. It's very easy for people to check this ingame and it tells us enough to judge whether or not the fit is ok. | ||
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+ | ==== Guidelines ==== | ||
+ | {{note box|Values listed here are pre-Surgical Strike, which reduced the effectiveness of most resist modules by 20%. As such, shield Headquarters groups now only require 67% resists and 95k EHP (Warp to Me minimums).}} | ||
+ | Below are some rough guidelines for what a proper tank might be for a battleship (there isn't much variation to speak of for logistics). Since we focus mainly on low skilled, kitchen sink setups we're going with a relatively high recommended level for our community. The values below are of raw shield hit points and paired average resists (EM/thermal and kinetic/explosive), values '''before boosts''' for easy comparison. | ||
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+ | | [[image:Incursions_vanguard_icon.png|42px|Vanguards]] | ||
+ | | [[Incursion sites#Vanguard sites|Vanguards]] ''(33k+ effective shield hit points)''<br>70% resists and at least 10,000 raw shield hit points. | ||
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− | | [[image: | + | | [[image:Incursions_assault_icon.png|42px|Assaults]] |
+ | | [[Incursion sites#Assault sites|Assaults]] ''(40k+ effective shield hit points)''<br>70% resists and at least 12,000 raw shield hit points. | ||
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− | | [[image: | + | | [[image:Incursions_headquarter_icon.png|42px|Headquarters]] |
+ | | [[Incursion sites#Headquarter sites|Headquarters]] ''(52k+ effective shield hit points + 100k effective hit points in total)''<br>73% resists and at least 14,000 raw shield hit points. | ||
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− | + | Naturally lower shield hit points is doable if you adjust your resists accordingly. In vanguards and assaults it's also possible to drop a little lower in really good fleets. Just remember that resists are far more important than raw shield hit points, as higher resists has the secondary benefit of increasing the efficiency of remote repairs. Below is a graph illustrating how damage changes with scaling resists. | |
− | + | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | |
+ | |- style="background-color: #222222;" | ||
+ | ! colspan="2" | Resists | ||
+ | ! Actual damage taken | ||
+ | |- style="background-color:#300000;" | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 61% resists | ||
+ | | rowspan="7" style="background-image: linear-gradient(#AA0000, #00AA00); background-color: #111111; width: 0.25em"| | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 30% more damage ''(39% damage taken)'' | ||
+ | |- style="background-color: #200000" | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 64% resists | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 20% more damage ''(36% damage taken)'' | ||
+ | |- style="background-color: #100000;" | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 67% resists | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 10% more damage (33% damage taken) | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | | + | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | {{co|yellow|70% resists}} |
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | {{co|yellow|Baseline damage ''(30% damage taken)''}} | ||
+ | |- style="background-color: #001000;' | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 73% resists | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 10% less damage (27% damage taken) | ||
+ | |- style="background-color: #002000;" | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 76% resists | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 20% less damage (24% damage taken) | ||
+ | |- style="background-color: #003000;" | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 79% resists | ||
+ | | style="padding-left:5px; padding-right:5px;" | 30% less damage (21% damage taken) | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | |||
|} | |} | ||
− | |||
− | == | + | ==== Stacking penalties and offgrid boosts ==== |
− | {{ | + | A ship with fewer modules or rigs stacking will also benefit more from boosts, thus not suffering quite as much as they might initially seem to. This of course means they also have more to lose if boosts go down, which is worth noting. |
− | + | ||
− | {| style="font-size:90%;" | + | Further down this page you'll see examples of this with the [[#Advanced_fits|advanced setups]]. If you pay attention to the normal resist profiles vs the resist profile with command bursts you'll see that the [[#Electromagnetic_rig|electromagnetic rig setup]] for vanguards for example has a deceptively low EM/thermal resist, averaging around 62% instead of the recommended 70%. This would suggest nearly +30% more damage taken from turret damage, as your resists are almost 9% lower (see the graph above). But due to less stacking penalties that setup ends up having roughly ~68% average EM/thermal resists after boosts which is fairly close to the 72% of our recommended fits and will eventually only take +10% more damage from turrets, while taking torpedoes just fine. |
+ | |||
+ | This is then further compensated by pirate faction hulls (which this expensive setup should be used on) who overall have much lower signatures. The signature difference is at the very least 22% between the highest signature pirate faction hull (Vindicator) and the lowest signature regular battleship (Maelstrom), thus pirate faction hulls take reduced damage from missiles thanks to their much lower signature. The [[Nightmare]] and [[Machariel]] have even smaller signatures, meaning they take even less damage. | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Upgrade priorities = | ||
+ | {{important note box|The [[EVE University Incursion Community]] doesn't require '''unistas''' to use fancy hulls and modules or put expensive implants into your head due to the constant threat of war. Pilots who take the necessary precautions are of course allowed to, but should do so of their own free will being aware of the risk.}} | ||
+ | There are a lot of ways to spend ISK on your incursion character in order to improve your performance, be that '''buying a pirate faction battleship''', getting '''faction and deadspace modules''' or '''injecting implants''' into your head. Some of these options are more effective than others, so before you start ''"throwing ISK at the problem"'' with wild abandon ... take a moment to consider your options. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Buying a pirate faction battleship == | ||
+ | In almost all cases, upgrading your hull should be your first goal if you're looking to invest more ISK. Generally speaking for hisec, while faction and deadspace modules are great, pirate faction hulls often give superior bonuses without inflating the value of droppable modules fit to your ship. In the case of Incursions specifically, the matter comes down to the pirate faction battleships having two damage bonuses and powerful role bonuses (instead of having an offensive and a defensive bonus), plus much better overall ship stats such as align time. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Below is a list of some of the differences (relevant to incursions) for a [[Vindicator]] compared to a Hyperion, a [[Machariel]] compared to a Maelstrom, and a [[Nightmare]] compared to a Praxis. | ||
+ | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | ||
+ | |- style="background-color: #222222;" | ||
+ | ! Improvements | ||
+ | ! Hyperion » Vindicator | ||
+ | ! Maelstrom » Machariel | ||
+ | ! Praxis » Nightmare | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | {{icon|turret new|24}} Effective turrets<small> <ref name="turrets">'''Effective turrets''' is a measure of raw turrets modified by rate of fire or damage bonuses of the hulls as well as role bonuses.</ref></small> | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+22,2% more damage}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+9,4% more damage}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+33,3% more damage}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | {{icon|tracking|24}} Tracking speed | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+37,5% more tracking}} | ||
+ | | {{co|grey|Similar}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+37,5% more tracking}} | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | {{icon|range|24}} Turret falloff | ||
+ | | {{co|grey|Similar}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+50% more falloff}} | ||
+ | | {{co|grey|Similar}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | [[image: | + | | [[image:Icon capacitor capacity.png|24px|link=]] Capacitor recharge<small> <ref name="cap">'''Peak recharge''' is a measure of capacitor capacity / capacitor recharge time * 2,5 (peak coefficient). See [[Capacitor_Recharge_Rate|capacitor recharge rate]] for more information.</ref></small> |
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+14,3% capacitor recharge}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+4,7% capacitor recharge}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+17,8% capacitor recharge}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | | + | | {{icon|shield|24}} Shield hit points |
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+16,7% more shield hp}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+16,5% more shield hp}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+62,3% more shield hp}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | | + | | {{icon|sig|24}} Signature |
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|17,5% smaller signature}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|23,9% smaller signature}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|20,4% smaller signature}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | | + | | {{icon|range|24}} Targeting range |
− | |} | + | | {{co|lightgreen|20,8% longer lock range}} |
− | + | | {{co|grey|Similar}} | |
− | + | | {{co|lightgreen|37,1% longer lock range}} | |
− | |||
− | {| | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | [[image: | + | | [[image:icon_drones.png|24px|link=]] Drone capacity |
+ | | {{co|crimson|-50 m3 drone bay}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+25 m3 drone bay}} | ||
+ | | {{co|crimson|-150 m3 drone bay}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | | + | | {{icon|sensor resolution|24}} Scan resolution |
− | |} | + | | {{co|crimson|-9,1% scan resolution}} |
− | + | | {{co|lightgreen|+38,9% scan resolution}} | |
− | + | | {{co|crimson|-15,2% scan resolution}} | |
− | |||
− | |||
− | {| | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | [[image: | + | | [[image:icon_warp_speed.png|24px|link=]] Warp speed |
+ | | {{co|grey|Same}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+1 AU/s warp speed}} | ||
+ | | {{co|grey|Same}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | | + | | {{icon|inertia|24}} Inertia |
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+29,7% more agile}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+29,4% more agile}} | ||
+ | | {{co|crimson|-18,0% less agile}} | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | [[image: | + | | [[image:icon_velocity.png|24px|link=]] Velocity<ref>A ship's '''velocity''' is unimportant in Vanguards, but valued in Assaults and Headquarters, which involve moving with microwarpdrives to anchor positions.</ref> |
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+14,7% faster}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+71,3% faster}} | ||
+ | | {{co|lightgreen|+52,0% faster}} | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Faction and deadspace modules == | ||
+ | First of all, remember that getting a pirate faction hull is always going to give you better applied damage (and often many other advantages) compared to spending ISK on faction and deadspace modules. With the exception of the '''Federation Navy''' or '''Serpentis Stasis Webifier''' and '''tech two weapons''', it is recommended that you get a better hull long before you look into upgrading modules. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Consider the actual benefit you will get from upgrading a certain module. Getting a deadspace hardener is useful for most ships as it frees up a midslot. But even though a faction tracking computer or a sensor booster might make sense for public fleets built to compete, for our community that isn't going to be as worthwhile of an investment as we usually don't compete. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==== What do you get in return? ==== | ||
+ | To put this into perspective you need to factor in [[stacking penalties]]. If you're just using one module to a given effect, it's easy to calculate and see the difference, but when you have more intricate combinations where things end up 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th in the stacking hierarchy, it might be a little harder to see what you get out of it. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ==== Module variants and price deviations ==== | ||
+ | {| | ||
+ | | valign="top" style="padding:0px;" | [[Image:Market.png|64px|link=]] | ||
+ | | valign="top" style="padding-top:12px;" | When you're shopping for faction or deadspace modules, check all equivalent variants for price deviations. For example, the {{co|coral|Federation Navy Tracking Computer}} is identical in all but the name to the {{co|coral|Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer}} and their prices fluctuate over time, so use the [[Show Info and Compare]]-feature ingame to find potential alternatives and you might save millions. | ||
|} | |} | ||
− | For slot 8 | + | |
− | {| style="font-size:90%;" | + | == Injecting implants == |
+ | There are plenty of hardwiring implants that are useful for incursion runners, with effects ranging from damage projection (tracking, damage or rate of fire) to fitting/support related effects (increased capacitor, powergrid or CPU) and warp speed. The bonuses from implants do not suffer stacking penalties, thus even the +3% variants are quite potent and cheap enough to use even while at war due to the low risk of actually losing your pod. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The best hardwiring implants (apart from officer implants) come from the [[Loyalty_Points#CONCORD_loyalty_points|CONCORD Loyalty Point]] store and give a +6% bonus but require {{sk|Cybernetics|V}}. Implants are available for all skills and wallets however, ranging from the 1%, 3% and 5% implants of normal LP stores to the CONCORD specific 2%, 4% and 6% implants. | ||
+ | |||
+ | As with all things, do your research and see if it's cheaper to simply buy it off of the market instead of getting it yourself from the LP store. See [[List of Skill Hardwiring Implants|hardwiring implants]] for a full list of available implants. | ||
+ | |||
+ | See the [[EVE University Incursion Community Implant Guide|Incursion Community Implant Guide]] for more information about recommended implants. This guide will cover the two types of implants that we suggest: Skill Hardwiring (slots 6-10) and Attribute Enhancing (slots 1-5). These implants are not required to fly in our community, but they do greatly improve ship performance. In order to use any of the implants listed in this guide, you will need to have the Cybernetics skill trained to at least level V. This will allow you to use 6% implants, which can be purchased with Concord Loyalty Points (LP) earned by running Incursions. These implants can be found at Concord Stations and cost 250 million ISK and 250,000 LP. | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Battleship setups = | ||
+ | Below are some examples of tank setups for battleships; both the setups we use for our ''minimum'' fits as well as some ''advanced'' ones for high-end ships. The sections show the variance between tanking features of the ship, notably midslots but also rigs or other in-built resistances. | ||
+ | |||
+ | In order to highlight the transition of each type of fit from vanguards to headquarters, each setup will not only show the vanguard fit in question, but also how it works if you take off some tank as well as what's needed to make that setup work for assaults and headquarters. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Boosts are from a max skills, mindlinked attack command ship (e.g. Sleipnir) for Vanguards, and a max skills, mindlinked fleet command ship (e.g. Claymore) for Assaults and Headquarters. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Minimum setup == | ||
+ | This is the minimum skill setup that we use within our community for [[Vanguard Incursion fits|vanguard fits]]. It is designed to be cheap and flexible enough to be useful in a variety of different sites. For assaults and headquarters, we often use a {{co|coral|Large Shield Extender II}} to ensure that everyone has enough buffer, even with the minimum skills we require. | ||
+ | |||
+ | This assumes our [[Preparing_for_Incursions#Damage_dealers|minimum skills]] so the {{icon|em resist|20}}EM resist can be up to '''2% higher''' with {{sk|EM Shield Compensation|V|icon=yes}} instead of III. | ||
+ | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | ||
+ | |- style="background:#222222;" | ||
+ | ! <small>Slots</small> | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | '''Vanguard''' ''(less tank)''<small> <ref>In a really good fleet with excellent damage projection, with an experienced fleet commander and seasoned logistics, you can usually remove the EM amplifier in favour of more application mods with an EM reinforcer.</ref></small> | ||
+ | ! Vanguard | ||
+ | ! Assault | ||
+ | ! Headquarter | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align: center;" | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II | ||
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:Module icon em ward amplifier tech2.png|24px|EM Shield Amplifier II]] EM Shield Amplifier II | ||
+ | | [[image:icon_shield_extender_ii.png|24px|Large Shield Extender II]] Large Shield Extender II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:Module icon em ward amplifier tech2.png|24px|EM Shield Amplifier II]] EM Shield Amplifier II | ||
+ | | [[image:icon_shield_extender_ii.png|24px|Large Shield Extender II]] Large Shield Extender II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:icon shield amplifier deadspace.png|24px|Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier]] {{co|salmon|Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier}}<small> <ref name="upgrade">This is a necessary upgrade in order to improve overall resists for headquarter sites.</ref></small> | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon rigs.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech2.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer II]] {{co|salmon|Thermal Shield Reinforcer II}}<small> <ref name="upgrade" /></small> <br>[[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | |- style="background: #222222; white-space: nowrap" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon_resists.png|24px|Normal resist profile.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]59,6%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]59,9%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]69,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]74,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]63,9%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]67,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]69,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]74,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]63,9%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]67,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]69,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]74,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]69,5%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]70,0%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]69,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]74,9% | ||
+ | |- style="background: #001000; text-align: center;" | ||
+ | | style="padding:0px;" | [[Image:Icon shield harmonizing.png|24px|Resist profile with shield command bursts active.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]62,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]65,1%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]78,2% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]66,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]69,8%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]78,2% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]66,1%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]69,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,6%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]78,0% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]70,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]71,8%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,6%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]78,0% | ||
+ | |- style="background: #200000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle; background:#200000; padding:0px;" | [[image:icon overheating.png|24px|Resist profile when you're overheating your defensive modules.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]65,9%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]69,4%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]77,1%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]69,3%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]72,8%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]77,1%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]69,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]72,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]76,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,8% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]70,6%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]74,4%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]76,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,8% | ||
+ | <!--|- style="background:#0F0719;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle; background:#0F0719; padding:0px;" | [[image:Icon energy neutralizer i.png|24px|Resist profile if all your defensive modules run out of capacitor and turn off.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | -->|} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Resist bonused ships === | ||
+ | Ships like the {{sh|Rokh}} with resist bonuses can fit slightly different due to their higher base resistances. | ||
+ | |||
+ | This assumes our [[Preparing_for_Incursions#Damage_dealers|minimum skills]] so the various resist can go up by '''1 - 3% higher''' with {{sk|Caldari Battleship|V|icon=yes}} instead of III and additional {{icon|em resist|20}}EM resist can be gained by training {{sk|EM Shield Compensation|V|icon=yes}}. | ||
+ | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | ||
+ | |- style="background: #222222;" | ||
+ | ! <small>Slots</small> | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | '''Vanguard''' ''(less tank)''<small> <ref>In a good fleet with excellent damage projection, with an experienced fleet commander and seasoned logistics, you can usually remove the damage control in favour of more damage mods.</ref></small> | ||
+ | ! Vanguard | ||
+ | ! Assault | ||
+ | ! Headquarter | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:Module icon em ward amplifier tech2.png|24px|EM Shield Amplifier II]] EM Shield Amplifier II<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:Module icon em ward amplifier tech2.png|24px|EM Shield Amplifier II]] EM Shield Amplifier II<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:Module icon em ward amplifier tech2.png|24px|EM Shield Amplifier II]] EM Shield Amplifier II | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:Module icon em ward amplifier tech2.png|24px|Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier]] {{co|salmon|Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier}}<small> <ref name="upgrade">This is a necessary upgrade in order to improve overall resists for headquarter sites.</ref></small> | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] Freed up low slot | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon rigs.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | |- style="background:#222222;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon_resists.png|24px|Normal resist profile.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]55,4%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]61,9%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]60,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]67,4% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]61,0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]66,6%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]65,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]71,5% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]66,8%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]71,6%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]68,1%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]71,6%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,9% | ||
+ | |- style="background:#001000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;background:#001000; padding:0px;" | [[Image:Icon shield harmonizing.png|24px|Resist profile with shield command bursts active.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]61,1%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]66,8%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]68,6%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]73,8% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]66,0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]70,9%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]72,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,1% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]68,8%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]73,3%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]76,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,7% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]70,0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]73,3%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]76,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,7% | ||
+ | |- style="background:#200000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle; padding:0px;" | [[image:icon overheating.png|24px|Resist profile when you're overheating your defensive modules.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]63,4%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]68,8%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]70,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]75,6% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]68,0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]72,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]74,4%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]78,7% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]71,6%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]76,0%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]79,7%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]83,1% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]72,8%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]79,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]79,7%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]83,1% | ||
+ | |||
+ | <!-- Resist profile whilist neuted out.|- valign="top" style="background:#0F0719;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle;" | [[image:Icon energy neutralizer i.png|24px|Resist profile if all your defensive modules run out of capacitor and turn off.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% --> | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
+ | <!-- The navy setups are no longer needed due to the pricing of pirate faction ships, removing this entire section as it's not viable for a ship with more than 4 midslots. --> | ||
+ | <!-- | ||
+ | === Navy & Fleet Issue ships with four midslots === | ||
+ | Ships like the [[Apocalypse Navy Issue]] and the [[Megathron Navy Issue]] with only four midslots aren't recommended for incursions, mostly due to their lack of midslots but also due to being armour based and suffering from fairly low shield hit points (and in the case of the apocalypse serious capacitor issues) which just compounds the issues of these ships. Within certain limits they can still do reasonably well in vanguards and assaults, but they are unable to do headquarter sites both from an efficiency point of view as well as due to their weak tank. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Navy and Fleet Issue ships have higher rig calibration points than other ships (400 points instead of the regular 350 points). | ||
+ | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | ||
+ | |- style="background: #222222;" | ||
+ | ! <small>Slots</small> | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | '''Vanguard''' ''(less tank)''<small> <ref>In a good fleet with excellent damage projection, with an experienced fleet commander and seasoned logistics, you can usually remove the damage control in favour of more damage mods.</ref></small> | ||
+ | ! Vanguard | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | '''Assault''' ''(less tank)''<small> <ref>This setup is considerably weaker than your average assault setup, even with the extra shield extender. Its considerably weaker resists means repairs are less effective.</ref></small> | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_ii.png|24px|Multispectrum Shield Hardener II]] Multispectrum Shield Hardener II<br>[[image:icon shield extender ii.png|24px]] Large Shield Extender II<small> <ref>The '''Large Shield Extender II''' module is often needed in assaults for armour tanked ships to compensate for lower innate shield hit points.</ref></small> | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] Freed up low slot | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon rigs.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I<br>[[image:module icon shield rig tech2.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer II]] EM Shield Reinforcer II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I<br>[[image:module icon shield rig tech2.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer II]] EM Shield Reinforcer II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I<br>[[image:module icon shield rig tech2.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer II]] EM Shield Reinforcer II | ||
+ | |- style="background:#222222;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon_resists.png|24px|Normal resist profile.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]60,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]65,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]69,0%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]74,1% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]65,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]70,0%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]72,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,4% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]65,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]70,0%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]72,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,4% | ||
+ | |- valign="top" style="background:#001000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle; padding:0px;" | {{icon|warfare link|24|Resist profile with warfare links active.}} | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]63,1%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]68,2%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]67,7%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]72,2%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]76,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,7% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]67,7%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]72,2%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]76,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,7% | ||
+ | <!-- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Resist profile with overheat & neuted out. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- style="background:#200000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon overheating.png|24px|Resist profile when you're overheating your defensive modules.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | |- style="background:#0F0719; | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle; padding:0px;" | [[image:Icon energy neutralizer i.png|24px|Resist profile if all your defensive modules run out of capacitor and turn off.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | --> | ||
+ | <!-- Extra cut-out. | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
+ | --> | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Advanced fits == | ||
+ | While there are several ways to fit high-end ships for incursions depending on your choice of rigs (see the [[#Rigging choice|rigging choice]] section above), here are some frequently used variants. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Calibration === | ||
+ | Due to calibration point limits there are several combinations, but here are three common ones that capitalize on either '''offence''', '''defence''' or '''warp speed'''. | ||
+ | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | ||
+ | |- style="background: #222222;" | ||
+ | ! <small>Slots</small> | ||
+ | ! Offensive | ||
+ | ! Defensive | ||
+ | ! Warp speed | ||
+ | |- style="vertical-align: top;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align: center;" | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I<br>[[image:module icon hybrid rig tech2.png|24px|Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II]] Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II<small> <ref>This should of course be a '''Energy Burst Aerator II''' for laser weapons and a '''Projectile Burst Aerator II''' for projectile weapons.</ref></small> | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech2.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer II<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Spare rig slot<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Spare rig slot | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech2.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer II]] EM Shield Reinforcer II<br>[[image:module icon propulsion rig tech2.png|24px|Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II]] Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Spare rig slot | ||
+ | |- style="background: #222222; text-align:center;" | ||
+ | | '''<small>SUM</small>''' | ||
+ | | style="background:#200000;" | '''350/{{co|grey|350}}''' (0 points left) | ||
+ | | style="background:#002000;" | '''75/{{co|grey|350}}''' (275 points left) | ||
+ | | style="background:#002000;" | '''150/{{co|grey|350}}''' (200 points left) | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
+ | Filling up the spare rig slots is a matter of figuring out what rig benefits you the most, based on the type of fleet compositions you run, what kind of ship you fly and if a rig can in some way help you free up a low- or midslot. If you need more range use a '''Locus Coordinator II''' rig (150 points), if you need more shield hit points use a '''Core Defense Field Extender II''' rig (75 points) and if you need more cap use either a '''Capacitor Control Circuit II''' rig (150 points) or a '''Discharge Elutriation II''' rig (150 points). | ||
+ | |||
+ | Just remember that any offensive rig you fit on your ship '''needs''' to be tech two, otherwise it'll end up at the end of stacking penalties and that will render it completely useless. | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Thermal rig === | ||
+ | The thermal rig setup is primarily a more defensive setup, used for even resists with the ability to really push the resists up. The downside of this setup is that you're forced to use two midslots and cannot drop down to one midslot for vanguards without taking some serious hits to your overall resists, even if you add a {{co|coral|Damage Control II}} instead. Depending on what other rigs you use, you'll have enough calibration points to upgrade to a tech two anti-thermal rig further increasing your tank. The nerfs from the Surgical Strike update have limited the flexibility of this setup, precluding hardener-free fits and from using a Tech 2 Aerator in Headquarters fleets. | ||
+ | |||
+ | This assumes our [[Preparing_for_Incursions#Damage_dealers|minimum skills]] so the {{icon|em resist|20}}EM resist can be up to '''2% higher''' with {{sk|EM Shield Compensation|V|icon=yes}} instead of III. | ||
+ | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | ||
+ | |- style="background:#222222;" | ||
+ | ! <small>Slots</small> | ||
+ | ! Vanguard | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | '''Headquarter''' <small> <ref>With just one multispectrum hardener it is more susceptible to neuts in headquarters prevalent in headquarters sites. Further, the use of two resist mods precludes the use of a Tech 2 Aerator.</ref></small> | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | [[image: | + | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] |
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] Pithum C-Type Multispectrum ...<br>[[image:icon shield amplifier deadspace.png|24px|Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier]] Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier | ||
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum A-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] {{co|salmon|Pithum A-Type Multispectrum ...}}<small> <ref name="upgrade">This is a necessary upgrade in order to get enough resists with just one multispectrum hardener for headquarter sites.</ref></small><br>[[image:icon shield amplifier deadspace.png|24px|Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier]] {{co|salmon|Pithum A-Type EM Shield Amplifier}}<small> <ref name="upgrade" /></small> | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control faction.png|24px]] {{co|salmon|Syndicate Damage Control}} <small> <ref name="upgrade" /> </small> | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon rigs.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer I]] Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech2.png|24px|Large Thermal Shield Reinforcer II]] {{co|salmon|Thermal Shield Reinforcer II}}<small><ref name="upgrade" /></small><br>[[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | |- style="background:#222222;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; padding:0px;" | [[image:icon_resists.png|24px|Normal resist profile.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]60,5%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]65,1%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]64,6%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]70,5% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]71,3%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]69,6%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]71,2%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]72,7% | ||
+ | |- style="background:#001000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[Image:Icon shield harmonizing.png|24px|Resist profile with shield command bursts active.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]65,6%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]69,6%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]71,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]76,2% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]73,1%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]73,3%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]73,3%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,8% | ||
+ | |- style="background:#200000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon overheating.png|24px|Resist profile when you're overheating your defensive modules.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]68,5%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]72,5%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]74,2%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]78,5% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]76,0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]76,5%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]76,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]80,4% | ||
+ | <!-- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Resist profile whilst neuted out. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- style="background:#0F0719;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:Icon energy neutralizer i.png|24px|Resist profile if all your defensive modules run out of capacitor and turn off.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | --> | ||
|} | |} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
− | == | + | === Electromagnetic rig === |
− | + | The EM rig setup is primarily used to free up as many slots are possible, but requires you to spend considerably more ISK on deadspace hardeners and will still have slightly lower EM and thermal resists for vanguard fits compared to the others, but that is offset by the larger buffer, smaller signature of the pirate faction battleships this setup should be fitted to and the fact it takes less damage from missiles due to comparably higher kinetic and explosive resists. | |
− | {| style="font-size:90%;" | + | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" |
+ | |- style="background: #222222;" | ||
+ | ! <small>Slots</small> | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | '''Vanguard''' ''(less tank)''<small> <ref>While your combined EM and thermal resists are a bit low, your kinetic and explosive resists remain high, so in a really good fleet with excellent damage projection, with an experienced fleet commander and seasoned logistics, you can usually remove the damage control in favour of more damage mods.</ref></small> | ||
+ | ! Vanguard | ||
+ | ! Assault | ||
+ | ! Headquarter | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum B-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] Pithum B-Type Multispectrum ... | ||
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum B-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] Pithum B-Type Multispectrum ... | ||
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum C-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] Pithum C-Type Multispectrum ... <br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum B-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] Pithum B-Type Multispectrum ... | ||
+ | | [[image:icon mid slot.png|24px]] Freed up mid slot<br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum A-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] {{co|salmon|Pithum A-Type Multispectrum ...}}<small> <ref>This is a necessary upgrade in order to get your EM and thermal resists up to an acceptable level for headquarter sites, especially if you run with less than recommended shield hit points.</ref></small><br>[[Image:icon_hardener_adaptive_deadspace.png|24px|Pithum A-Type Multispectrum Shield Hardener]] Pithum A-Type Multispectrum ... | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:icon low slot.png|24px]] Freed up low slot | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control tech2.png|24px]] Damage Control II | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon damage control faction.png|24px]] Syndicate Damage Control | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon rigs.png|24px]] | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | | [[image:module icon shield rig tech1.png|24px|Large EM Shield Reinforcer I]] EM Shield Reinforcer I | ||
+ | |- style="background:#222222;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon_resists.png|24px|Normal resist profile.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]51,9%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]48,0%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]61,0%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]67,5% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]58,0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]54,5%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]65,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]71,6% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]66,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]67,4%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]75,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]79,6% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]70,0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]71,0%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]78,3%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]81,9% | ||
+ | |- style="background:#001000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center; vertical-align:middle; padding:0px;" | [[Image:Icon shield harmonizing.png|24px|Resist profile with shield command bursts active.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]58,1%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]58,2%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]68,6%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]73,9% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]63,4%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]63,4%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]72,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]77,1% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]68,2%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]71,4%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]78,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]82,1% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]71,8%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]74,6%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]80,9%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]84,1% | ||
+ | |- style="background:#200000;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:icon overheating.png|24px|Resist profile when you're overheating your defensive modules.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]62,6%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]62,7%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]72,0%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]76,7% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]67,3%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]67,3%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]75,5%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]79,6% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]73,9%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]76,5%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]82,3%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]85,3% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]77,6%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]79,8%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]84,8%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]87,4% | ||
+ | <!-- | ||
+ | |||
+ | Resist profile whilst neuted out. | ||
+ | |||
+ | |- style="background:#0F0719;" | ||
+ | | style="text-align:center;" | [[image:Icon energy neutralizer i.png|24px|Resist profile if all your defensive modules run out of capacitor and turn off.]] | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|20px|Electromagnetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|20px|Thermal resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|20px|Kinetic resistance]]-%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|20px|Explosive resistance]]-% | ||
+ | --> | ||
+ | |} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Strategic cruisers and command ships = | ||
+ | While a lot of communities avoid strategic cruisers and command ships due to the fact that their damage output cannot match that of pirate faction battleships, we still allow them as they can easily match the efficiency of tech one battleships. As such, we welcome properly fit strategic cruisers and command ships in our community, as they are good enough for our purposes and we don't benefit from alienating people who prefer to fly smaller ships. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Just be sure to inform people that if they have plans to fly with public communities, they will most likely need to train into a proper battleship. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Different resist profiles == | ||
+ | One of the biggest differences fitting strategic cruisers and command ships compared to battleships is that they have a different resist profile. They are also much smaller in signature, especially the strategic cruisers, so won't need the same raw buffer of shield hit points either. As such, the solution could range from anything between a thermal and EM hardener for the '''Legion''' to a mere anti-EM rig on the '''Tengu''' or a multispectrum hardener for the '''Sleipnir'''. | ||
+ | {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:90%;" | ||
+ | |- style="background:#222222;" | ||
+ | ! Ship | ||
+ | ! Base resist profile | ||
+ | ! Comments | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Astarte | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]] 0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]60%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]85%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]50% | ||
+ | | An {{co|slateblue|EM}} hole. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Loki | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]]50%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]40%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]40%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]50% | ||
+ | | No resist holes. | ||
+ | |- | ||
+ | | Sleipnir | ||
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]]75%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]60%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]40%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]50% | ||
+ | | No resist holes. | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | [[ | + | | Tengu |
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]] 0%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]60%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]55%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]50% | ||
+ | | An {{co|slateblue|EM}} hole. | ||
|- | |- | ||
− | | [[ | + | | Vulture<small> <ref>This takes into account the Vulture's innate 20% resist bonus (as the ship requires Caldari Battlecruiser V to sit inside)</ref> </small> |
+ | | [[Image:icon_resist_em.png|24px|Electromagnetic resistance]]20%[[Image:icon_resist_therm.png|24px|Thermal resistance]]84%[[Image:icon_resist_kin.png|24px|Kinetic resistance]]76%[[Image:icon_resist_exp.png|24px|Explosive resistance]]60% | ||
+ | | Weak {{co|slateblue|EM}} resists. | ||
|} | |} | ||
+ | <small><references/></small> | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[Category:Incursions]] |
Latest revision as of 15:21, 16 December 2023
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Fitting principles
Incursion fleets rely on good resists and buffer supported by a logistics. There are simply too many enemies to be able to fit a strong enough local tank, not to mention that by sacrificing a small portion of your fleet to bring in logistics instead of more damage dealers, the rest of the damage dealers can fit more offensive modules and your fleet will perform better.
Once you have a good enough tank, the rest of your spare slots should be used to augment your damage potential. While there's such a thing as under-tanked, being over-tanked is not only wasteful in incursions but even dangerous if done at the cost of offence.
See Preparing for Incursions for more information about what skills we ask that members of the EVE University Incursion Community have trained. While other communities might have similar requirements, this is just what we recommend.
Shield vs armour doctrines
Incursions can be done with both armour and shield doctrines, but there is a certain game design bias towards shield ships and fits.
- Shield tanking modules are less skill-dependant compared to armour, since the passive armour modules require high armour compensation skills to function effectively.
- Armour tanking modules have much stronger passive resists, allowing them to ensure high resists despite being neuted out. This is more of a benefit for headquarter sites as there are more neuting capable ships there, unlike vanguards where the neuting risk can be removed reliably.
- Remote shield booster modules apply their repairs at the beginning of the cycle, while remote armour repairers apply their repairs at the end of the cycle. This makes it easier to manage sudden aggro-shifts with shield logistics.
In the EVE University Incursion Community we run almost exclusively shield fleets due to the fact that it's slightly faster to train the shield skills.
Omni damage and resists
The Sansha incursion rats deal damage in two ways, lasers (EM and thermal) and torpedoes (kinetic and explosive). As such, they hit across all four resist types. While you can sometimes compensate for a low kinetic resist by having a higher explosive resist, or get away with lower resists due to having a small signature and high speed, generally you don't have the luxury of having resist holes in incursions.
Just as they do damage across the board, the Sansha incursion rats have omni tanks as well. The only notable exception is the Lirsautton Parichaya, it's a little weaker against thermal damage and stronger against explosive damage. So contrary to missions where Amarr and Gallente weapons are somewhat limited due to their set damage types, these weapons are not hampered by resists in incursions.
You can find out more statistics about the Sansha incursion rats on the Sansha's Manual page.
Applied DPS
One of the most important aspects to realize is that whatever DPS (damage per second) your favourite third party fitting tool tells you that you have, or whatever the fitting window ingame tells you, is worth nothing if you cannot apply that damage. Hence the term "applied DPS" as opposed to "paper DPS" which is basically just your potential damage.
Your velocity, your target's velocity, approach vectors, your gun's signature resolution, your target's ship signature, locking speed, locking range, your weapon's optimal and falloff range and tracking all play a vital part in how much of your damage you'll be able to apply on your enemy. See turret damage or the gunnery guide for a more comprehensive introduction to the factors determining how much damage you'll end up doing when you undock and leave your theoretical bubble. Practically this means that utility modules often make or break fleets.
We always use faction ammunition in incursions for the added damage compared to regular tech one ammunition. Certain tech two ammunition is used for specific ships or roles, like Null L for blaster boats or Scorch L for pulse lasers, but most of the time you'll be using faction ammunition since it does not suffer the tracking or range penalties most short range tech two ammunitions do.
Utility modules
Utility modules refer to modules you fit that doesn't directly give you a higher dps in your favourite third party fitting program or on your fitting screen ingame. Instead they act as force multipliers of sorts making up for weaknesses or capitalize on strengths for increased efficiency. There are also modules that has no impact on your offensive capabilities, but are invaluable when things go wrong.
While the exact fits vary between communities as well as fleet compositions, there are a few common grounds for using utility mids. In vanguards, the sensor boosters allow you to lock up the much smaller frigates more quickly, webs are used to help apply damage to enemies that come close, while painters and tracking computers help apply damage at range. The same can be said for assaults and headquarters, although the need for sensor boosters rapidly diminish as you move on from vanguards, as there are fewer frigates in assaults and headquarter sites, reducing the need for sensor boosters. They are sometimes only needed on dronebunnies or to push your locking range.
Utility highs are selected based on individual ship needs or what type of logistics you have. A fleet with scimitars will often focus on remote shield boosters on battleships with utility highs for emergencies, unless individual ships require a cap chain in order to have enough cap (like certain nightmare fits). A fleet with basilisks might need a few spare remote capacitor transmitters amongst their damage dealers, in case one of the basilisks disconnects and they need someone else to establish a cap chain with. The auto targeting module (extra locks) and drone link augmentor (to push drone control range far enough to reach enemies where they spawn) are rare options, but used in case you don't need more remote shield boosters or remote capacitor transmitters.
As for utility drones, you have the choice of replacing some of your damage dealing drones with maintenance bots, or carry both, for emergencies.
Supporting short or long range setups
The priority for certain utility modules change depending on your setup. If you're fighting mostly within web range, webs themselves end up giving you far more applied damage than tracking computers do. On top of that, they benefit everyone who's shooting that target and not just you. But if you're engaging primarily at range, outside web range, a web is utterly useless and you benefit more from a target painter or local tracking computers to improve your damage application. While sensor boosters are critical in vanguards, they are less important in assaults and headquarters.
Below are some examples of how you could change your midslots depending on your fleet composition for vanguards.
Short range | Long range | ||
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Flexible [1] | Dedicated webber [2] | Flexible [3] | Alpha doctrine [4] |
Sensor Booster II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Tracking Computer II |
Sensor Booster II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier |
Sensor Booster II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Target Painter Tracking Computer II |
Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II |
- ^ If your fleet has a decent amount of webs already, a tracking computer to increase your tracking or extend your range will benefit you more than adding another web.
- ^ If you're one of the few with webs, use as many as possible to capitalize on your role.
- ^ In fleets where you're shooting targets both at range and within web range, a mix might be beneficial if you don't have dedicated webbers.
- ^ In a setup where you rely on shooting things where they spawn, you need both the tracking and range as well as the ability to quickly lock targets up. In competitions the faster lock time is also advantageous.
Standard loadout for the EVE University Incursion Community
In the EVE University Incursion Community we focus primarily on the ability to get rid of warp disrupt capable ships, which are mostly frigates. That means we go for the more flexible fittings to ensure decent locking times and enough webs and painters to apply damage.
When in doubt, just follow the recommended fits on the Vanguard page or ask your fleet commander for advice.
Drones
Drones can be a tremendous asset, if you pick the right ones and use them intelligently. The sum of all the drones in fleet can easily amount to the equivalent of adding an extra pilot or two on grid, so it's not something to treat lightly. See utilizing drones for tactical information on how to make the most of drones.
Drone choice
When selecting drones you need to factor in how to get the best mix of microwarpdrive and orbital speeds, as well as tracking and optimal range for the type of fleet and sites you run - generally smaller sites have more frigates, which need fast, well tracking drones. Amarr drones generally provide the best mix for most situations except for headquarter sites where slower drones, but with higher focused DPS, are useful for taking down large ships. See drones for more statistics about drone attributes.
Below are the drones we recommend within our community:
Recommended drones/site | Light drones | Medium drones | Heavy drones | Sentry drones |
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Vanguard sites | Acolyte II [1] | Not recommended | Not recommended | Garde II [2] |
Assault sites | Acolyte II | Infiltrator II | Not recommended | Curator II [3] |
Headquarter sites [4] | Hobgoblin II | Hammerhead II | Ogre II [5] | Not recommended |
- ^ Alpha Clones can use Imperial Navy Acolytes instead, due to skill restrictions.
- ^ (Situational) Unbonused sentries have considerably lower tracking and needs to operate at range or stay on cruisers..
- ^ (Situational) In order to use Curator II drones you need to remain stationary more often than not. The extra range of curators is needed for the 35 - 65 km engagement range.
- ^ Drones are often put on stationary objects in headquarter sites, thus focus shifts from Amarr drones (speed and application) to Gallente drones (maximum damage).
- ^ If cost isn't an issue, Gecko or 'Augmented' Ogre drones are preferred due to increased speed and better damage application.
Rigging choice
It's very easy to dismiss the importance of the rig selection when buying a new ship. While it's usually not something a new pilot needs to worry about when getting any of the minimum fits posted on the wiki, it's extremely important for people looking to get a new ship as it heavily influences your options in terms of flexibility and utility slots (which is everything in incursions). Don't spend too much ISK on a temporary setup, either go for a cheap "good enough" setup while you're saving up for your ideal setup, or just wait until you can afford the whole setup you want in the end.
For examples of these setups, see the advanced fits section below.
Electromagnetic or thermal rig
In general the electromagnetic rig will free up more midslots, but tends to require fancier deadspace modules to compensate for the overall lower resists. The thermal rig gives you a stronger and more flexible tank without having to rely on the high-end deadspace modules, at the cost of not being able to free up as many midslots.
Defence or offence
Going for offence means that you're limited to a single tech one resist rig in combination to your burst rig, due to the high calibration cost of the tech two damage rig (a tech one burst rig wouldn't work due to stacking penalties). Choosing a more defensive setup will allow you to fit a tech two resist rig as well as making full use of the other two rigs. The offensive rigs are usually much cheaper than the defensive ones, but since the offensive setup usually has to up the quality of their deadspace modules to get a comparable resist profile, they're often forced to use higher tiered deadspace mods.
Flexibility vs efficiency vs cost
Given the different needs for tank and utility modules between the different type of sites, most incursion communities go for the most efficient rig setup for the kind of sites they are running. A community running vanguards exclusively often have different setups than those who run headquarters only. Communities that push for high-end fits with expensive deadspace modules usually have different rig selections too, since those stronger modules opens up for a few more options.
Going for the most efficient setup is of course always going to be the strongest way to do it, but sometimes you have to be practical. In our case, within our community, we factor in flexibility and cost a lot more. We want our members to be able to use the same ship for any type of site without having to resort to spending billions on faction and deadspace modules. That doesn't stop people who want to from doing it, but it does mean that some of our recommended fits will differ quite a lot from that of public communities.
See fit progression for an example of how your efficiency and flexibility is increased (with additional midslots) going from the cheapest setup to more costly ones.
Determining a proper tank
There are a few easy ways to determine whether a tank is OK or not. Below are some key aspects that help when you're testing your ship in your favorite third-party fitting tool or if you've taken on the role of waitlist manager and need to quickly gauge whether the fit someone x up with is OK or not.
Resist holes
A lot of ships share a standard resist profile, so they share the same resist holes and have the same issues and weaknesses. Understanding what innate weaknesses a ship has is key to knowing how to best raise it to the desired high average resists mentioned above.
Below is a list of different resist profiles for various ship classes as well as a few specific ships with deviating profiles. The last column lists the obvious weaknesses of the class/hull, which will help you determine how to best achieve the desired resist profile. Plugging a hole is usually a simple matter of adding a resist rig or a combination of a rig and a shield amplifier, then up the resists in general by using one or two multispectrum hardeners.
Ship | Base resist profile | Comments |
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Regular/faction battleships [1] | 0%20%40%50% | An EM hole and a weak thermal resist. |
Resist bonused battleships [2] | 20%36%52%60% | Weak EM and thermal resists, but no resist holes. |
Praxis | 28%28%28%28% | Weak omni resists. |
Scimitar | 75%60%40%50% | No resist holes. |
Basilisk | 0%80%70%50% | An EM hole. |
Effective shield hit points
You can judge your tank by many means, but for Incursions the best way to measure your tank is to look at effective shield hit points (ESHP), as opposed to damage per second repaired (DPS-tank) or the generic effective hit points (EHP). This is because a lot of ships have significant armour and hull hit points, so the effective hit points value can be quite misleading on a battleship with a damage control for example, as the EHP-value skyrockets compared to a ship without a damage control fitted, but very little of it applies to the actual ESHP. You also need to factor in things like speed and signature, because a smaller ship that is orbiting will be a lot harder to hit than a large, stationary ship. So don't casually compare a ship's effective shield hit points against another without taking that into your consideration.
Shield hit points and resists
While the above mentioned effective shield hit points is a good measure, it is not always practical to use on the fly. For one it doesn't really tell you if the ship has any glaring resist holes, so for practical reasons we tend to speak in more general terms -- Shield hit points and resists. It's much easier to just ask the pilot "How many raw shield hit points do you have?" and "What are your resists if you undock and turn on all your modules?". It's very easy for people to check this ingame and it tells us enough to judge whether or not the fit is ok.
Guidelines
Below are some rough guidelines for what a proper tank might be for a battleship (there isn't much variation to speak of for logistics). Since we focus mainly on low skilled, kitchen sink setups we're going with a relatively high recommended level for our community. The values below are of raw shield hit points and paired average resists (EM/thermal and kinetic/explosive), values before boosts for easy comparison.
Vanguards (33k+ effective shield hit points) 70% resists and at least 10,000 raw shield hit points. | |
Assaults (40k+ effective shield hit points) 70% resists and at least 12,000 raw shield hit points. | |
Headquarters (52k+ effective shield hit points + 100k effective hit points in total) 73% resists and at least 14,000 raw shield hit points. |
Naturally lower shield hit points is doable if you adjust your resists accordingly. In vanguards and assaults it's also possible to drop a little lower in really good fleets. Just remember that resists are far more important than raw shield hit points, as higher resists has the secondary benefit of increasing the efficiency of remote repairs. Below is a graph illustrating how damage changes with scaling resists.
Resists | Actual damage taken | |
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61% resists | 30% more damage (39% damage taken) | |
64% resists | 20% more damage (36% damage taken) | |
67% resists | 10% more damage (33% damage taken) | |
70% resists | Baseline damage (30% damage taken) | |
73% resists | 10% less damage (27% damage taken) | |
76% resists | 20% less damage (24% damage taken) | |
79% resists | 30% less damage (21% damage taken) |
Stacking penalties and offgrid boosts
A ship with fewer modules or rigs stacking will also benefit more from boosts, thus not suffering quite as much as they might initially seem to. This of course means they also have more to lose if boosts go down, which is worth noting.
Further down this page you'll see examples of this with the advanced setups. If you pay attention to the normal resist profiles vs the resist profile with command bursts you'll see that the electromagnetic rig setup for vanguards for example has a deceptively low EM/thermal resist, averaging around 62% instead of the recommended 70%. This would suggest nearly +30% more damage taken from turret damage, as your resists are almost 9% lower (see the graph above). But due to less stacking penalties that setup ends up having roughly ~68% average EM/thermal resists after boosts which is fairly close to the 72% of our recommended fits and will eventually only take +10% more damage from turrets, while taking torpedoes just fine.
This is then further compensated by pirate faction hulls (which this expensive setup should be used on) who overall have much lower signatures. The signature difference is at the very least 22% between the highest signature pirate faction hull (Vindicator) and the lowest signature regular battleship (Maelstrom), thus pirate faction hulls take reduced damage from missiles thanks to their much lower signature. The Nightmare and Machariel have even smaller signatures, meaning they take even less damage.
Upgrade priorities
There are a lot of ways to spend ISK on your incursion character in order to improve your performance, be that buying a pirate faction battleship, getting faction and deadspace modules or injecting implants into your head. Some of these options are more effective than others, so before you start "throwing ISK at the problem" with wild abandon ... take a moment to consider your options.
Buying a pirate faction battleship
In almost all cases, upgrading your hull should be your first goal if you're looking to invest more ISK. Generally speaking for hisec, while faction and deadspace modules are great, pirate faction hulls often give superior bonuses without inflating the value of droppable modules fit to your ship. In the case of Incursions specifically, the matter comes down to the pirate faction battleships having two damage bonuses and powerful role bonuses (instead of having an offensive and a defensive bonus), plus much better overall ship stats such as align time.
Below is a list of some of the differences (relevant to incursions) for a Vindicator compared to a Hyperion, a Machariel compared to a Maelstrom, and a Nightmare compared to a Praxis.
Improvements | Hyperion » Vindicator | Maelstrom » Machariel | Praxis » Nightmare |
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Effective turrets [1] | +22,2% more damage | +9,4% more damage | +33,3% more damage |
Tracking speed | +37,5% more tracking | Similar | +37,5% more tracking |
Turret falloff | Similar | +50% more falloff | Similar |
Capacitor recharge [2] | +14,3% capacitor recharge | +4,7% capacitor recharge | +17,8% capacitor recharge |
Shield hit points | +16,7% more shield hp | +16,5% more shield hp | +62,3% more shield hp |
Signature | 17,5% smaller signature | 23,9% smaller signature | 20,4% smaller signature |
Targeting range | 20,8% longer lock range | Similar | 37,1% longer lock range |
Drone capacity | -50 m3 drone bay | +25 m3 drone bay | -150 m3 drone bay |
Scan resolution | -9,1% scan resolution | +38,9% scan resolution | -15,2% scan resolution |
Warp speed | Same | +1 AU/s warp speed | Same |
Inertia | +29,7% more agile | +29,4% more agile | -18,0% less agile |
Velocity[3] | +14,7% faster | +71,3% faster | +52,0% faster |
- ^ Effective turrets is a measure of raw turrets modified by rate of fire or damage bonuses of the hulls as well as role bonuses.
- ^ Peak recharge is a measure of capacitor capacity / capacitor recharge time * 2,5 (peak coefficient). See capacitor recharge rate for more information.
- ^ A ship's velocity is unimportant in Vanguards, but valued in Assaults and Headquarters, which involve moving with microwarpdrives to anchor positions.
Faction and deadspace modules
First of all, remember that getting a pirate faction hull is always going to give you better applied damage (and often many other advantages) compared to spending ISK on faction and deadspace modules. With the exception of the Federation Navy or Serpentis Stasis Webifier and tech two weapons, it is recommended that you get a better hull long before you look into upgrading modules.
Consider the actual benefit you will get from upgrading a certain module. Getting a deadspace hardener is useful for most ships as it frees up a midslot. But even though a faction tracking computer or a sensor booster might make sense for public fleets built to compete, for our community that isn't going to be as worthwhile of an investment as we usually don't compete.
What do you get in return?
To put this into perspective you need to factor in stacking penalties. If you're just using one module to a given effect, it's easy to calculate and see the difference, but when you have more intricate combinations where things end up 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th in the stacking hierarchy, it might be a little harder to see what you get out of it.
Module variants and price deviations
When you're shopping for faction or deadspace modules, check all equivalent variants for price deviations. For example, the Federation Navy Tracking Computer is identical in all but the name to the Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer and their prices fluctuate over time, so use the Show Info and Compare-feature ingame to find potential alternatives and you might save millions. |
Injecting implants
There are plenty of hardwiring implants that are useful for incursion runners, with effects ranging from damage projection (tracking, damage or rate of fire) to fitting/support related effects (increased capacitor, powergrid or CPU) and warp speed. The bonuses from implants do not suffer stacking penalties, thus even the +3% variants are quite potent and cheap enough to use even while at war due to the low risk of actually losing your pod.
The best hardwiring implants (apart from officer implants) come from the CONCORD Loyalty Point store and give a +6% bonus but require Cybernetics V. Implants are available for all skills and wallets however, ranging from the 1%, 3% and 5% implants of normal LP stores to the CONCORD specific 2%, 4% and 6% implants.
As with all things, do your research and see if it's cheaper to simply buy it off of the market instead of getting it yourself from the LP store. See hardwiring implants for a full list of available implants.
See the Incursion Community Implant Guide for more information about recommended implants. This guide will cover the two types of implants that we suggest: Skill Hardwiring (slots 6-10) and Attribute Enhancing (slots 1-5). These implants are not required to fly in our community, but they do greatly improve ship performance. In order to use any of the implants listed in this guide, you will need to have the Cybernetics skill trained to at least level V. This will allow you to use 6% implants, which can be purchased with Concord Loyalty Points (LP) earned by running Incursions. These implants can be found at Concord Stations and cost 250 million ISK and 250,000 LP.
Battleship setups
Below are some examples of tank setups for battleships; both the setups we use for our minimum fits as well as some advanced ones for high-end ships. The sections show the variance between tanking features of the ship, notably midslots but also rigs or other in-built resistances.
In order to highlight the transition of each type of fit from vanguards to headquarters, each setup will not only show the vanguard fit in question, but also how it works if you take off some tank as well as what's needed to make that setup work for assaults and headquarters.
Boosts are from a max skills, mindlinked attack command ship (e.g. Sleipnir) for Vanguards, and a max skills, mindlinked fleet command ship (e.g. Claymore) for Assaults and Headquarters.
Minimum setup
This is the minimum skill setup that we use within our community for vanguard fits. It is designed to be cheap and flexible enough to be useful in a variety of different sites. For assaults and headquarters, we often use a Large Shield Extender II to ensure that everyone has enough buffer, even with the minimum skills we require.
This assumes our minimum skills so the EM resist can be up to 2% higher with EM Shield Compensation V instead of III.
Slots | Vanguard (less tank) [1] | Vanguard | Assault | Headquarter |
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Freed up mid slot Freed up mid slot Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II |
Freed up mid slot Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II EM Shield Amplifier II |
Large Shield Extender II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II EM Shield Amplifier II |
Large Shield Extender II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier [2] | |
Damage Control II | Damage Control II | Damage Control II | Damage Control II | |
EM Shield Reinforcer I | Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | Thermal Shield Reinforcer II [2] EM Shield Reinforcer I | |
59,6%59,9%69,9%74,9% | 63,9%67,7%69,9%74,9% | 63,9%67,7%69,9%74,9% | 69,5%70,0%69,9%74,9% | |
62,2%65,1%73,8%78,2% | 66,2%69,8%73,8%78,2% | 66,1%69,7%73,6%78,0% | 70,2%71,8%73,6%78,0% | |
65,9%69,4%77,1%80,9% | 69,3%72,8%77,1%80,9% | 69,2%72,7%76,9%80,8% | 70,6%74,4%76,9%80,8% |
- ^ In a really good fleet with excellent damage projection, with an experienced fleet commander and seasoned logistics, you can usually remove the EM amplifier in favour of more application mods with an EM reinforcer.
- ^ a b This is a necessary upgrade in order to improve overall resists for headquarter sites.
Resist bonused ships
Ships like the Rokh with resist bonuses can fit slightly different due to their higher base resistances.
This assumes our minimum skills so the various resist can go up by 1 - 3% higher with Caldari Battleship V instead of III and additional EM resist can be gained by training EM Shield Compensation V.
Slots | Vanguard (less tank) [1] | Vanguard | Assault | Headquarter |
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Multispectrum Shield Hardener II EM Shield Amplifier II Freed up mid slot |
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II EM Shield Amplifier II Freed up mid slot |
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II EM Shield Amplifier II |
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier [2] | |
Freed up low slot | Damage Control II | Damage Control II | Damage Control II | |
Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | |
55,4%61,9%60,9%67,4% | 61,0%66,6%65,8%71,5% | 66,8%71,6%73,5%77,9% | 68,1%71,6%73,5%77,9% | |
61,1%66,8%68,6%73,8% | 66,0%70,9%72,5%77,1% | 68,8%73,3%76,8%80,7% | 70,0%73,3%76,8%80,7% | |
63,4%68,8%70,8%75,6% | 68,0%72,7%74,4%78,7% | 71,6%76,0%79,7%83,1% | 72,8%79,7%79,7%83,1% |
Advanced fits
While there are several ways to fit high-end ships for incursions depending on your choice of rigs (see the rigging choice section above), here are some frequently used variants.
Calibration
Due to calibration point limits there are several combinations, but here are three common ones that capitalize on either offence, defence or warp speed.
Slots | Offensive | Defensive | Warp speed |
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EM Shield Reinforcer I Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II [1] |
Thermal Shield Reinforcer II Spare rig slot Spare rig slot |
EM Shield Reinforcer II Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Spare rig slot | |
SUM | 350/350 (0 points left) | 75/350 (275 points left) | 150/350 (200 points left) |
- ^ This should of course be a Energy Burst Aerator II for laser weapons and a Projectile Burst Aerator II for projectile weapons.
Filling up the spare rig slots is a matter of figuring out what rig benefits you the most, based on the type of fleet compositions you run, what kind of ship you fly and if a rig can in some way help you free up a low- or midslot. If you need more range use a Locus Coordinator II rig (150 points), if you need more shield hit points use a Core Defense Field Extender II rig (75 points) and if you need more cap use either a Capacitor Control Circuit II rig (150 points) or a Discharge Elutriation II rig (150 points).
Just remember that any offensive rig you fit on your ship needs to be tech two, otherwise it'll end up at the end of stacking penalties and that will render it completely useless.
Thermal rig
The thermal rig setup is primarily a more defensive setup, used for even resists with the ability to really push the resists up. The downside of this setup is that you're forced to use two midslots and cannot drop down to one midslot for vanguards without taking some serious hits to your overall resists, even if you add a Damage Control II instead. Depending on what other rigs you use, you'll have enough calibration points to upgrade to a tech two anti-thermal rig further increasing your tank. The nerfs from the Surgical Strike update have limited the flexibility of this setup, precluding hardener-free fits and from using a Tech 2 Aerator in Headquarters fleets.
This assumes our minimum skills so the EM resist can be up to 2% higher with EM Shield Compensation V instead of III.
Slots | Vanguard | Headquarter [1] |
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Freed up mid slot Pithum C-Type Multispectrum ... Pithum C-Type EM Shield Amplifier |
Freed up mid slot Pithum A-Type Multispectrum ... [2] Pithum A-Type EM Shield Amplifier [2] | |
Damage Control II | Syndicate Damage Control [2] | |
Thermal Shield Reinforcer I | Thermal Shield Reinforcer II[2] EM Shield Reinforcer I | |
60,5%65,1%64,6%70,5% | 71,3%69,6%71,2%72,7% | |
65,6%69,6%71,5%76,2% | 73,1%73,3%73,3%77,8% | |
68,5%72,5%74,2%78,5% | 76,0%76,5%76,5%80,4% |
- ^ With just one multispectrum hardener it is more susceptible to neuts in headquarters prevalent in headquarters sites. Further, the use of two resist mods precludes the use of a Tech 2 Aerator.
- ^ a b c d This is a necessary upgrade in order to get enough resists with just one multispectrum hardener for headquarter sites.
Electromagnetic rig
The EM rig setup is primarily used to free up as many slots are possible, but requires you to spend considerably more ISK on deadspace hardeners and will still have slightly lower EM and thermal resists for vanguard fits compared to the others, but that is offset by the larger buffer, smaller signature of the pirate faction battleships this setup should be fitted to and the fact it takes less damage from missiles due to comparably higher kinetic and explosive resists.
Slots | Vanguard (less tank) [1] | Vanguard | Assault | Headquarter |
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Freed up mid slot Freed up mid slot Pithum B-Type Multispectrum ... |
Freed up mid slot Freed up mid slot Pithum B-Type Multispectrum ... |
Freed up mid slot Pithum C-Type Multispectrum ... Pithum B-Type Multispectrum ... |
Freed up mid slot Pithum A-Type Multispectrum ... [2] Pithum A-Type Multispectrum ... | |
Freed up low slot | Damage Control II | Damage Control II | Syndicate Damage Control | |
EM Shield Reinforcer I | EM Shield Reinforcer I | EM Shield Reinforcer I | EM Shield Reinforcer I | |
51,9%48,0%61,0%67,5% | 58,0%54,5%65,9%71,6% | 66,2%67,4%75,5%79,6% | 70,0%71,0%78,3%81,9% | |
58,1%58,2%68,6%73,9% | 63,4%63,4%72,5%77,1% | 68,2%71,4%78,5%82,1% | 71,8%74,6%80,9%84,1% | |
62,6%62,7%72,0%76,7% | 67,3%67,3%75,5%79,6% | 73,9%76,5%82,3%85,3% | 77,6%79,8%84,8%87,4% |
- ^ While your combined EM and thermal resists are a bit low, your kinetic and explosive resists remain high, so in a really good fleet with excellent damage projection, with an experienced fleet commander and seasoned logistics, you can usually remove the damage control in favour of more damage mods.
- ^ This is a necessary upgrade in order to get your EM and thermal resists up to an acceptable level for headquarter sites, especially if you run with less than recommended shield hit points.
Strategic cruisers and command ships
While a lot of communities avoid strategic cruisers and command ships due to the fact that their damage output cannot match that of pirate faction battleships, we still allow them as they can easily match the efficiency of tech one battleships. As such, we welcome properly fit strategic cruisers and command ships in our community, as they are good enough for our purposes and we don't benefit from alienating people who prefer to fly smaller ships.
Just be sure to inform people that if they have plans to fly with public communities, they will most likely need to train into a proper battleship.
Different resist profiles
One of the biggest differences fitting strategic cruisers and command ships compared to battleships is that they have a different resist profile. They are also much smaller in signature, especially the strategic cruisers, so won't need the same raw buffer of shield hit points either. As such, the solution could range from anything between a thermal and EM hardener for the Legion to a mere anti-EM rig on the Tengu or a multispectrum hardener for the Sleipnir.
Ship | Base resist profile | Comments |
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Astarte | 0%60%85%50% | An EM hole. |
Loki | 50%40%40%50% | No resist holes. |
Sleipnir | 75%60%40%50% | No resist holes. |
Tengu | 0%60%55%50% | An EM hole. |
Vulture [1] | 20%84%76%60% | Weak EM resists. |
- ^ This takes into account the Vulture's innate 20% resist bonus (as the ship requires Caldari Battlecruiser V to sit inside)