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== Fitting Principles ==
== Fitting Principles ==


The EVE University Incursion community suggests fits based on a set of principles which are designed to allow us to run the sites safely and efficiently. These princples act as guidelines that are followed in every fit we suggest to our community.  
The EVE University Incursion community suggests fits based on a set of principles which are designed to allow us to run the sites safely and efficiently. These principles act as guidelines that are followed in every fit we suggest to our community.  


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Drones will not be called upon in every fleet, as they are of marginal benefit. However, they can get fleets out of sticky situations on occasion, so we ask that every ship be fitted with at least a set of '''Acolytes''' and a set of '''Armor Maintainance Bots''' for use in emergencies.
Drones will not be called upon in every fleet, as they are of marginal benefit. However, they can get fleets out of sticky situations on occasion, so we ask that every ship be fitted with at least a set of '''Acolytes''' and a set of '''Armor Maintenance Bots''' for use in emergencies.
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Incursions can be done with both shield and armor doctrines. Previously the EVE University Incursion Community has used a shield doctrine, however we now use an armor doctrine. There are pros and cons to both:
Incursions can be done with both shield and armor doctrines. Previously the EVE University Incursion Community has used a shield doctrine, however we now use an armor doctrine. There are pros and cons to both:


* Shield tanking modules are less skill dependant compared to armor, as passive armor modules require the armor compensation skills. However, there is no multispectrum passive shield amplifier, so shield tanking relies on capacitor, and can be turned off if a ship is sufficiently neuted. This aspect is most prevalent in Assault and Headquarters sites, where neut pressure is much more of a concern owing to the Otouni Mesen, which carries a capital-sized neutralizer, as well as the requirement of those sites to equip propulsion modules which are exceedingly capacitor hungry on their own.
* Shield tanking modules are less skill dependent compared to armor, as passive armor modules require the armor compensation skills. However, there is no multispectrum passive shield amplifier, so shield tanking relies on capacitor, and can be turned off if a ship is sufficiently neuted. This aspect is most prevalent in Assault and Headquarters sites, where neut pressure is much more of a concern owing to the Otouni Mesen, which carries a capital-sized neutralizer, as well as the requirement of those sites to equip propulsion modules which are exceedingly capacitor hungry on their own.
* Remote shield boosters apply their repairs at the start of a cycle, which can allow logistics to be applied sooner in the case of sudden aggro switches, however amour repairs tend to cycle faster, and have some buffer in their shields, meaning this benefit is somewhat negated.
* Remote shield boosters apply their repairs at the start of a cycle, which can allow logistics to be applied sooner in the case of sudden aggro switches, however amour repairs tend to cycle faster, and have some buffer in their shields, meaning this benefit is somewhat negated.
* In the event that a ships tank were to break, shield ships have more buffer than armor ships - a shield ship can bleed both armor and hull, whereas an armor tanked ship would only be bleeding hull.
* In the event that a ships tank were to break, shield ships have more buffer than armor ships - a shield ship can bleed both armor and hull, whereas an armor tanked ship would only be bleeding hull.
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=== Applied DPS ===
=== Applied DPS ===
One of the most important aspects to realize is that whatever DPS (damage per second) your favourite third party fitting tool tells you that you have, or whatever the fitting window ingame tells you, is worth nothing if you cannot apply that damage. Hence the term ''"applied DPS"'' as opposed to ''"paper DPS"'' which is basically just your potential damage.
One of the most important aspects to realize is that whatever DPS (damage per second) your favorite third party fitting tool tells you that you have, or whatever the fitting window ingame tells you, is worth nothing if you cannot apply that damage. Hence the term ''"applied DPS"'' as opposed to ''"paper DPS"'' which is basically just your potential damage.


One notable example of this is the use of missiles. Because of missile flight time, it is possible to fire missiles at a target, but have that target die before those missiles apply their damage. This is effectively lost DPS, and would be a common situation in any fleet involving ships with missile-based weapon systems. As such, we do not allow missile ships in our fleets, as they do not do anywhere near close to their paper DPS consistently throughout the fleet.
One notable example of this is the use of missiles. Because of missile flight time, it is possible to fire missiles at a target, but have that target die before those missiles apply their damage. This is effectively lost DPS, and would be a common situation in any fleet involving ships with missile-based weapon systems. As such, we do not allow missile ships in our fleets, as they do not do anywhere near close to their paper DPS consistently throughout the fleet.
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=== Utility modules ===
=== Utility modules ===
Utility modules refer to modules you fit that doesn't directly give you a higher dps in your favourite third party fitting program or on your fitting screen ingame. Instead they act as force multipliers of sorts making up for weaknesses or capitalize on strengths for increased efficiency. There are also modules that has no impact on your offensive capabilities, but are invaluable when things go wrong.
Utility modules refer to modules you fit that doesn't directly give you a higher dps in your favorite third party fitting program or on your fitting screen ingame. Instead they act as force multipliers of sorts making up for weaknesses or capitalize on strengths for increased efficiency. There are also modules that has no impact on your offensive capabilities, but are invaluable when things go wrong.


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Aside from damage drones, logistics drones are vital to the safety of a fleet. In the case that the logistics pilot disconnects, the fleet is at significant risk due to the diminished remotre repairs available. In such as case, the fleet relies on the repping power of the logibooster, on the utility reps of ships which have them, and on the logistics drones that every member of the fleet carries. To this end, we suggest that every ship be equipped with at least a set of Armor Maintainance Bots. Additionally, if a pilot wishes, they could bring a set of Hull Maintainance Bots to repair any hull scratches that might occur in sticky situations.
Aside from damage drones, logistics drones are vital to the safety of a fleet. In the case that the logistics pilot disconnects, the fleet is at significant risk due to the diminished remotre repairs available. In such as case, the fleet relies on the repping power of the logibooster, on the utility reps of ships which have them, and on the logistics drones that every member of the fleet carries. To this end, we suggest that every ship be equipped with at least a set of Armor Maintenance Bots. Additionally, if a pilot wishes, they could bring a set of Hull Maintenance Bots to repair any hull scratches that might occur in sticky situations.


=== Rigging choice ===
=== Rigging choice ===
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There are a few easy ways to determine whether a tank is OK or not. You can judge your tank by many means, but for Incursions the best way to measure your tank is to look at '''effective armor hit points''' (EAHP), as opposed to '''damage per second repaired''' (DPS-tank) or the generic '''effective hit points''' (EHP). This is because a lot of ships have significant shield and hull hit points, so the effective hit points value can be quite misleading on a battleship with a damage control for example, as the EHP-value skyrockets compared to a ship without a damage control fitted, but very little of it applies to the actual EAHP.
There are a few easy ways to determine whether a tank is OK or not. You can judge your tank by many means, but for Incursions the best way to measure your tank is to look at '''effective armor hit points''' (EAHP), as opposed to '''damage per second repaired''' (DPS-tank) or the generic '''effective hit points''' (EHP). This is because a lot of ships have significant shield and hull hit points, so the effective hit points value can be quite misleading on a battleship with a damage control for example, as the EHP-value skyrockets compared to a ship without a damage control fitted, but very little of it applies to the actual EAHP.


While the above mentioned effective armor hit points is a good measure, it is not always practical to use on the fly. For one it doesn't really tell you if the ship has any glaring resist holes, so for practical reasons we tend to speak in more general terms -- Armor hit points and resists. It's much easier to just ask the pilot ''"How many raw armor hit points do you have?"'' and ''"What are your resists?"''. It's very easy for people to check this ingame and it tells us enough to judge whether or not the fit is ok.
While the above mentioned effective armor hit points is a good measure, it is not always practical to use on the fly. For one it doesn't really tell you if the ship has any glaring resist holes, so for practical reasons we tend to speak in more general terms -- Armor hit points and resists. It's much easier to just ask the pilot ''"How many raw armor hit points do you have?"'' and ''"What are your resists?"''. It's very easy for people to check this ingame and it tells us enough to judge whether or not the fit is OK.


==== Guidelines ====
==== Guidelines ====
{{note box|Values listed here are approximate based on our tank guidlines, and inferred from the basic fits of armor headquarters groups. Though Warp To Me does publish their tank requirements (67% omni shield resists and 12,000 raw shield HP}, others do not.}}
{{note box|Values listed here are approximate based on our tank guidelines, and inferred from the basic fits of armor headquarters groups. Though Warp To Me does publish their tank requirements (67% omni shield resists and 12,000 raw shield HP}, others do not.}}
Below are some rough guidelines for what a proper tank might be for a battleship (there isn't much variation to speak of for logistics). Since we focus mainly on low skilled, kitchen sink setups we're going with a relatively high recommended level for our community. The values below are of raw armor hit points and paired average resists (EM/thermal and kinetic/explosive), values '''before boosts''' for easy comparison.
Below are some rough guidelines for what a proper tank might be for a battleship (there isn't much variation to speak of for logistics). Since we focus mainly on low skilled, kitchen sink setups we're going with a relatively high recommended level for our community. The values below are of raw armor hit points and paired average resists (EM/thermal and kinetic/explosive), values '''before boosts''' for easy comparison.
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==== Finishing the Fit====
==== Finishing the Fit====
Finally, we have a pair of utility highslots to fill, as well as our drone bay. Continuing the theme of greed, we will use an Auto Targeting System II in one of our highslots, which will allow us to lock a few more targets, making our experience in fleet a bit nicer. We will also include a Remote Armor Repairer, as this can be used in emergencies to keep our fleetmates alive, especially if the logistics pilot disconnects. Finally, we will include a set of 5 Imperial Navy Acolytes for our damage drones, and a set of 5 Medium Armor Maintainance Bots for further emergency logistics.  
Finally, we have a pair of utility highslots to fill, as well as our drone bay. Continuing the theme of greed, we will use an Auto Targeting System II in one of our highslots, which will allow us to lock a few more targets, making our experience in fleet a bit nicer. We will also include a Remote Armor Repairer, as this can be used in emergencies to keep our fleetmates alive, especially if the logistics pilot disconnects. Finally, we will include a set of 5 Imperial Navy Acolytes for our damage drones, and a set of 5 Medium Armor Maintenance Bots for further emergency logistics.  


This rounds out the fit, which looks very similar to our suggested Intermediate Nightmare fit.  
This rounds out the fit, which looks very similar to our suggested Intermediate Nightmare fit.