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Once you have the recommended skills, the step from a Battlecruiser up to a decent Battleship is surprisingly short and you should take this step as soon as possible to get into a decent ship. You might need to top off some of the support skills, pending on what ship you decide to move into, if you run into powergrid, CPU or cap issues.
 
Once you have the recommended skills, the step from a Battlecruiser up to a decent Battleship is surprisingly short and you should take this step as soon as possible to get into a decent ship. You might need to top off some of the support skills, pending on what ship you decide to move into, if you run into powergrid, CPU or cap issues.
  
If the [[Wartime_Standard_Operating_Procedures|WSOP]] is not an issue, there's also the strategic cruisers and the pirate faction battleships. For strategic cruisers you'll most likely continue with the gunnery skills you have but will require some support skills to V and of course your racial cruiser of choice to V. Then you just move towards tech two medium weapons for further efficiency. For pirate faction battleships hulls like the Machariel, Nightmare and Vindicator, which are better in all regards compared to the regular battleships regardless of your skill, you only need to train a secondary racial ship-line.
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If the [[Wartime Standard Operating Procedures]] (WSOP) is not an issue, there's also the strategic cruisers and the pirate faction battleships. For strategic cruisers you'll most likely continue with the gunnery skills you have but will require some support skills to V and of course your racial cruiser of choice to V. Then you just move towards tech two medium weapons for further efficiency. For pirate faction battleships hulls like the Machariel, Nightmare and Vindicator, which are better in all regards compared to the regular battleships regardless of your skill, you only need to train a secondary racial ship-line.
  
 
Flying ships that cost over a billion in just the hull shouldn't be taken lightly however, but from an efficiency point of view there is no reason not to get one.
 
Flying ships that cost over a billion in just the hull shouldn't be taken lightly however, but from an efficiency point of view there is no reason not to get one.
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* <racial> Cruiser IV
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* Gunnery V
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* Large <weapon> Turret III
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Large <weapon> Turret III
 
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* Mechanics V
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Mechanics V<br>
* Shield Operation III
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Shield Operation III<br>
* Electronics V
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Electronics V<br>
* Engineering V
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Engineering V<br>
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Gunnery V<small> <ref>'''Gunnery V''' for the Legion, Loki and Proteus, but only '''Gunnery III''' for the Tengu.</ref></small><br>
* Missile Launcher Operation V<small> <ref>'''Missile Launcher Operation V''' for the Tengu and '''Missile Launcher Operation III''' for the Loki. Neither the Legion or the Proteus needs this skill trained unless they decide to fit missiles.</ref></small>
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Missile Launcher Operation V<small> <ref>'''Missile Launcher Operation V''' for the Tengu and '''Missile Launcher Operation III''' for the Loki. Neither the Legion or the Proteus needs this skill trained unless they decide to fit missiles.</ref></small><br>
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<racial> Cruiser V
 
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* <primary> Battleship III
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<secondary> Frigate IV<br>
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<secondary> Cruiser IV<br>
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''<racial> Cruiser IV''<br>
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''<racial> Battleship III''<br>
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''Gunnery V''<small> <ref>'''Gunnery''' V alone takes 4 days and 6 hours to train. If you have it already, or if you're crosstraining into another racial battlecruiser, the time to crosstrain is significantly shorter.</ref></small><br>
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See the '''recommended battleship fits''' for [[Vanguard_Incursion_fits#Battleships|vanguards]] and [[Assault_Incursion_fits#Battleships|assaults]].
 
See the '''recommended battleship fits''' for [[Vanguard_Incursion_fits#Battleships|vanguards]] and [[Assault_Incursion_fits#Battleships|assaults]].

Revision as of 15:32, 5 April 2013

Recommended skills

The following skills are recommended, if not downright required to fit the modules you have to in order to do incursions. For more information on what the different skills do, see the Support Skills page.

The training times listed for these will assume that you trained Cybernetics I and got a cheap set of +3 attribute implants, which is not only reasonable but highly recommended regardless what you plan on doing in EVE. There's even The +3 Implants Program for unistas to get started.

It's worth thinking one step further and try to figure out which of the advanced hulls you think you'll likely train into, then pick the most suitable path there in terms of which racial ship-line you go down first and what weapon system you train into. For example, if you do not meet the recommended skills for missiles it might be a good idea to consider how much time it would take to cross-train into a turret-based ship right away instead of spending precious time continuing to train missile skills. There's no point trying to pick the "best" Battlecruiser, simply because they all have downsides making them less than ideal for incursioning.

That said, it's perfectly fine to top off your current skills to meet the minimum requirement to come try incursions, if you're not sure you'll like it. You don't have to commit before trying it out.

Damage dealers

Getting the recommended skills for a damage dealer requires 59 days at the most, if you train into a turret-based battlecruiser on a brand new character. In comparison training for missiles is longer, up to 66 days, but normally you would only take that route if you already have missile skills to begin with.

Considering that is far more likely that you come looking for incursions after you have played the game for at least a couple of weeks, having trained some of the support skills already (the tutorial mentions many of them), you can often get ready much faster. Add to that the potential of neural remapping and what might seem like a daunting train can be covered in no-time.

While we primarily run shield fleets, most of the skills you use will be reusable for armour fleets as well. The skills required to fit a solid armour tank is listed in the right-most column even though they are not necessary to train right away.

Support skills Gunnery skills Missile skills Crosstraining armour skills
~ 38 days and 5 hours ~ 20 days and 12 hours ~ 26 days and 22 hours [1] ~ 12 days and 21 hours

Cybernetics I
Electronics IV
Engineering IV
Mechanics IV
Weapon Upgrades IV
Energy Management IV
Energy Systems Operation IV
Shield Upgrades IV
Tactical Shield Manipulation IV
Jury Rigging III
Shield Rigging III
Targeting IV
Long Range Targeting IV
Target Painting III [2]
Propulsion Jamming III [3]
Drones V
Scout Drone Operation V [4]
Gallente Drone Specialization III [4]
Drone Durability I [5]
Repair Drone Operation II [5]
Shield Emission Systems III [5]
<racial> Frigate IV
<racial> Cruiser III
Spaceship Command IV
Battlecruisers IV

Gunnery IV
Small <racial> Turret III
Medium <racial> Turret IV
Motion Prediction IV
Rapid Firing IV
Sharpshooter IV
Surgical Strike IV
Trajectory Analysis IV
Controlled Bursts IV [6]
<weapon> Rigging III [7]

Missile Launcher Operation V [8]
Light Missiles III
Heavy Missiles IV
Missile Projection IV
Missile Bombardment IV
Rapid Launch IV
Guided Missile Precision IV
Target Navigation Prediction IV
Warhead upgrades IV
Launcher Rigging III

Hull Upgrades V
Armor Rigging III
EM Armor Compensation III
Explosive Armor Compensation III
Kinetic Armor Compensation III
Thermic Armor Compensation III
Remote Armor Repair Systems III [9]

  1. ^ This is more of a checklist if you wish to bring a missile boat into Incursions. As mentioned before, you shouldn't train these skills if you don't have them.
  2. ^ Target Painting III is only needed if you'll use a Target Painter module.
  3. ^ Propulsion Jamming III is only needed if you'll use a Stasis Webifier module.
  4. ^ a b Drones V, Scout Drone Operation V and Gallente Drone Specialization I is required to use Hobgoblin II drones.
  5. ^ a b c Drone Durability I, Repair Drone Operation II and Shield Emission System III is required to use Light and Medium Shield Maintenance drones, which can be trained in mere hours if you can already use tech two scout drones.
  6. ^ Controlled Bursts is useful for all hybrids and lasers, but useless for projectiles and missiles as they do not utilize cap.
  7. ^ If your initial ship doesn't have an offensive weapon rig, then you can skip this skill initially.
  8. ^ It's necessary to train Missile Launcher Operation V in order to be able to train Guided Missile Precision, which is essential to apply damage to small frigates.
  9. ^ Remote Armor Repair Systems III is required to use Light and Medium Armor Maintenance drones.

With the above mentioned skills, young unistas interested in doing incursions can fly one of the Minimum Incursion fits, while they train for a more suitable ship. See moving into useful hulls below for further training.

Logistics

Training for logistics is considerably more time-consuming than that of a regular damage dealer. Please remember that when you think the above mentioned skills for a damage dealer is a long train.

It takes up to 80 days to get good enough skills to fly a logistics starter fit.

Support skills Shield skills Drone skills Crosstraining into armour
~ 66 days and 21 hours ~ 7 days and 19 hours ~ 5 days and 6 hours ~ 41 days and 12 hours

Cybernetics I
Electronics IV
Engineering IV
Mechanics IV
Energy Management IV
Energy Systems Operation IV
Energy Grid Upgrades IV
Jury Rigging III
Targeting V [1]
Multitasking III [2]

<racial> Frigate IV
<racial> Cruiser V
Long Range Targeting V [3]
Signature Analysis V [3]
Logistics IV

Energy Emission Systems IV [4]
Sensor Linking IV [5]

Tactical Shield Manipulation IV
Shield Upgrades IV
Shield Rigging III
Shield Emission Systems IV

Drones V
Drone Durability I
Repair Drone Operation II

Hull Upgrades V
Repair Systems II
Armor Rigging III
Remote Repair Systems IV
EM Armor Compensation III
Explosive Armor Compensation III
Kinetic Armor Compensation III
Thermic Armor Compensation III
<racial> Frigate IV
<racial Cruiser V

  1. ^ Targeting V is needed to train Multitasking.
  2. ^ Multitasking trained to III is needed to be able to lock up to ten targets at once.
  3. ^ a b Long Range Targeting V and Signature Analysis V are prerequisites for Logistics.
  4. ^ Energy Emission Systems is only required for a Guardian/Basilisk with energy transfer modules, the Oneiros/Scimitar does not need this skill.

Thermodynamics

While not critical, being able to overheat your modules for a short while is often more than enough to save your ship when things turn from bad to worse. As such, it's also recommended that people train the following skills:

  • Engineering V (+4 days and 6 hours)
  • Science IV (+18 hours)
  • Thermodynamics III (+11,5 hours)

Moving into useful hulls

Once you have the recommended skills, the step from a Battlecruiser up to a decent Battleship is surprisingly short and you should take this step as soon as possible to get into a decent ship. You might need to top off some of the support skills, pending on what ship you decide to move into, if you run into powergrid, CPU or cap issues.

If the Wartime Standard Operating Procedures (WSOP) is not an issue, there's also the strategic cruisers and the pirate faction battleships. For strategic cruisers you'll most likely continue with the gunnery skills you have but will require some support skills to V and of course your racial cruiser of choice to V. Then you just move towards tech two medium weapons for further efficiency. For pirate faction battleships hulls like the Machariel, Nightmare and Vindicator, which are better in all regards compared to the regular battleships regardless of your skill, you only need to train a secondary racial ship-line.

Flying ships that cost over a billion in just the hull shouldn't be taken lightly however, but from an efficiency point of view there is no reason not to get one.

Battleships Strategic Cruisers Pirate Faction Battleships Crosstraining into a new race
~ 10 days and 2 hours ~ 40 days and 4 hours ~ 17 days and 16 hours ~ 13 days and 8 hours

<racial> Cruiser IV
<racial> Battleship III
Gunnery V
Large <weapon> Turret III

Mechanics V
Shield Operation III
Electronics V
Engineering V
Gunnery V [1]
Missile Launcher Operation V [2]
Navigation V
<racial> Cruiser V

<primary> Cruiser IV
<primary> Battleship III
<secondary> Frigate IV
<secondary> Cruiser IV
<secondary> Battleship III
Gunnery V
Large <weapon> Turret III

<racial> Frigate IV
<racial> Cruiser IV
<racial> Battleship III
Gunnery V [3]
Small <weapon> Turret III
Medium <weapon> Turret III
Large <weapon> Turret III

  1. ^ Gunnery V for the Legion, Loki and Proteus, but only Gunnery III for the Tengu.
  2. ^ Missile Launcher Operation V for the Tengu and Missile Launcher Operation III for the Loki. Neither the Legion or the Proteus needs this skill trained unless they decide to fit missiles.
  3. ^ Gunnery V alone takes 4 days and 6 hours to train. If you have it already, or if you're crosstraining into another racial battlecruiser, the time to crosstrain is significantly shorter.

See the recommended battleship fits for vanguards and assaults.

This is just the the beginning ...

Remember that these recommendations are just for the basic levels and there is much room for improvement. Increase these skills, train up for tech two weaponry and max out the gunnery and support skills, and your ship will be much more efficient. You'll also have many more options to improve your fit with better fitting and support skills, like upgrading a module, swap out an ancillary current rig for a damage rig, drop an excessive tank module for more utility modules and so forth.

What you're going to train next differs a little bit based on what ship and what weapons you're going to use. For some fitting skills will be prioritized due to the lack of CPU/powergrid of their hull, for others capacitor skills are more important while others can simply go straight for better ship skills and tech two weaponry.

Fitting skills Support skills Gunnery skills Logistics skills
Prioritize which skills to train first, some are more important than others, so do your research.
  • Cybernetics V [1]
  • Electronics V
  • Engineering V
  • Mechanics V
  • Jury Rigging IV [2]
  • Energy Management V
  • Energy Systems Operation V
  • Shield Upgrades V
  • Tactical Shield Manipulation V
  • Shield Rigging V
  • Targeting V
  • Multitasking III
  • Long Range Targeting V
  • Weapon Upgrades V
  • Advanced Weapon Upgrades V
  • Gunnery V
  • Motion Prediction V
  • Rapid Firing V
  • Sharpshooter V
  • Surgical Strike V
  • Trajectory Analysis V
  • Controlled Bursts V [3]
  • <weapon> Rigging IV
  • Small <racial> Turret V
  • Medium <racial> Turret V
  • Large <racial> Turret V
  • Small <racial> Specialization IV [4]
  • Medium <racial> Specialization IV [4]
  • Large <racial> Specialization IV [4]
  • <racial> Battleship V
  • Shield Emission Systems V
  • Energy Emission Systems V [5]
  • Sensor Linking V [6]
  • Repair Drone operation V [7]
  1. ^ Cybernetics V is required for the top-tier advanced implants, like the +6% CONCORD-implants.
  2. ^ Jury Rigging IV is only needed if it is a requirement for your more generic rigs, like energy grid rigs.
  3. ^ Controlled Bursts is useful for all hybrids and lasers, but useless for projectiles and missiles as they do not utilize cap.
  4. ^ a b c Turrets have two different specialization skills, for example projectiles have both autocannons and artillery which are split into two different specialization skills.
  5. ^ Energy Emission Systems is only required if you fly a Guardian or a Basilisk with energy transfer modules, the Oneiros and the Scimitar does not need this skill.
  6. ^ Repair Drone Operation V is needed for tech two shield maintenance bots.

Once you've trained these skills, you can fly some of the more advanced fits for vanguards or assaults.