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Also of note is that module drawbacks (negative effects) can also be stacking penalized. | Also of note is that module drawbacks (negative effects) can also be stacking penalized. | ||
== Effects of stacking | == Effects of stacking penalties== | ||
Normally, the benefits of additional modules/rigs would be multiplicative. So if fitting one Speed Booster (a fictional module with nice round numbers to make the math easier to understand) module increases a ship's speed by 10%, fitting two of them would increase a ship's speed by 21% (<span style="white-space: nowrap;">(1 + 10%) × (1 + 10%) = 1.1 × 1.1 = 1.21</span>), and fitting three would increase it by 33% (<span style="white-space: nowrap;">1.1 × 1.1 × 1.1 = 1.33</span>). | Normally, the benefits of additional modules/rigs would be multiplicative. So if fitting one Speed Booster (a fictional module with nice round numbers to make the math easier to understand) module increases a ship's speed by 10%, fitting two of them would increase a ship's speed by 21% (<span style="white-space: nowrap;">(1 + 10%) × (1 + 10%) = 1.1 × 1.1 = 1.21</span>), and fitting three would increase it by 33% (<span style="white-space: nowrap;">1.1 × 1.1 × 1.1 = 1.33</span>). | ||
However, due to the stacking penalties effect, the second, third, and fourth Speed Booster modules' effects are only partially effective (86.9%, 57.1%, and 28.3% respectively - see [[ | However, due to the stacking penalties effect, the second, third, and fourth Speed Booster modules' effects are only partially effective (86.9%, 57.1%, and 28.3% respectively - see [[#The Formula|below]] for details), and would therefore only increase a ship's speed by: | ||
* <span style="white-space: nowrap;">10% × 86.9% = 9%</span> for the second module | * <span style="white-space: nowrap;">10% × 86.9% = 9%</span> for the second module | ||
* <span style="white-space: nowrap;">10% × 57.1% = 5.7%</span> for the third module | * <span style="white-space: nowrap;">10% × 57.1% = 5.7%</span> for the third module | ||
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== The Formula == | == The Formula == | ||
[[image:StackingPenaltyGraph.png|400px | [[image:StackingPenaltyGraph.png|thumb|400px|The effectiveness of stacking penalized modules plotted.]] | ||
Stacking-penalized modifiers are applied one at a time, in descending order of strength. | Stacking-penalized modifiers are applied one at a time, in descending order of strength. | ||
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* Absolute effects are never stacking-penalized, only percentage effects. That is to say, things like +1 warp core strength, +1000 structure HP, +15 m signature radius, +400 GJ capacitor are not stacking-penalized because they are not percentage (%) effects. | * Absolute effects are never stacking-penalized, only percentage effects. That is to say, things like +1 warp core strength, +1000 structure HP, +15 m signature radius, +400 GJ capacitor are not stacking-penalized because they are not percentage (%) effects. | ||
* Modules, rigs, the effects of [[Command Bursts]] and | * Modules, rigs, the effects of [[Command Bursts]] and environmental effects of [[Abyssal Deadspace]], [[Triglavian minor victory]], [[EDENCOM systems]] and [[Pochven]] are stacking-penalized. | ||
** Skills, ship bonuses from ship skills, implants, hardwirings, [[Combat Booster|boosters]] (such as Synth Blue Pill, Strong X-Instinct, and others) and the effects of [[wormhole space]] are not stacking penalized. | ** Skills, ship bonuses from ship skills, implants, hardwirings, [[Combat Booster|boosters]] (such as Synth Blue Pill, Strong X-Instinct, and others) and the effects of [[wormhole space]] are not stacking penalized. | ||
* Negative and positive effects are stacking-penalized separately. So, one +% and one -% effect to an attribute suffers no penalties, whereas with two +% and two -% effects, one of each would only be 86.9% effective. An example might be velocity modifiers: if you have one Overdrive Injector System on your ship (to increase your speed) whilst at the same time being slowed by a single Stasis Webifier from an enemy ship - both velocity | * Negative and positive effects are stacking-penalized separately. So, one +% and one -% effect to an attribute suffers no penalties, whereas with two +% and two -% effects, one of each would only be 86.9% effective. An example might be velocity modifiers: if you have one Overdrive Injector System on your ship (to increase your speed) whilst at the same time being slowed by a single Stasis Webifier from an enemy ship - both velocity modifiers are 100% effective. If you are then affected by second Stasis Webifier (from the same or another ship) that second web will be only 86.9% effective. | ||
It can be hard to tell exactly what suffers stacking penalties and what does not. For instance, the Overdrive Injector System II gives +12.5% velocity at a cost of -20% cargo capacity, and the description claims it suffers stacking penalties. The velocity bonus is stacking-penalized, but the cargo drawback is actually ''not''. Similarly, the Warp Core Stabilizer II gives you one extra warp core strength at a cost of -40% targeting range and -40% scan resolution. It doesn't mention stacking penalty in the description, but the drawbacks ''are'' actually stacking-penalized. | It can be hard to tell exactly what suffers stacking penalties and what does not. For instance, the Overdrive Injector System II gives +12.5% velocity at a cost of -20% cargo capacity, and the description claims it suffers stacking penalties. The velocity bonus is stacking-penalized, but the cargo drawback is actually ''not''. Similarly, the Warp Core Stabilizer II gives you one extra warp core strength at a cost of -40% targeting range and -40% scan resolution. It doesn't mention stacking penalty in the description, but the drawbacks ''are'' actually stacking-penalized. | ||
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{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
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! Ship attribute | |||
! | ! Stacking-penalized | ||
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| Powergrid (including reduced-PG-need effects) | | Powergrid (including reduced-PG-need effects) | ||
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| Capacitor capacity | | Capacitor capacity | ||
| style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref | | style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref>Both the flat bonus from capacitor batteries and percentage bonus from micro warp drives and capacitor flux coils are unpenalized.</ref> | ||
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| Capacitor recharge rate | | Capacitor recharge rate | ||
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| Shield / armor / hull hit points | | Shield / armor / hull hit points | ||
| style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref | | style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref>Both the flat bonuses and percentage bonuses are unpenalized.</ref> | ||
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| Shield / armor / hull resistances | | Shield / armor / hull resistances | ||
| style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref | | style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref>Damage Control modules, the Reactive Armor Hardener module and Bastion module work slightly differently. | ||
<p>If you only fit only one of them (one Damage Control ''or'' one Reactive Hardener ''or'' one Bastion module), then they are ''never'' stacking penalized. They will ''always'' give their full damage resistance effect, along with your most effective module that also gives it's full effect as explained above, followed by any other modules that will be stacking penalized. This is one reason why the Damage Control module is so popular; because it is always 100% effective.</p> | |||
<p>If, however, you fit ''two'' of them, then one of them (whichever is less effective) will count as a second module and be stacking penalized accordingly (so, 86.9% effective). This is in addition to your normal resistance modules, of which one will give its full effect and the rest stacking penalized as explained above.</p> | |||
<p>As an example, consider the following five modules all fitted to your ship and their resulting effectiveness: one Damage Control ''(100% effective)'', and one Reactive Armor Hardener ''(86.9% effective)''; one EM Armor Hardener ''(100% effective)'', one Multispectrum Energized Membrane ''(EM resistance 86.9% effective, other resistances 100% effective)'', and one Multispectrum Coating ''(EM resistance 57.1% effective, other resistances 86.9% effective)''.</p></ref> | |||
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| Shield boost / armor repair bonus | | Shield boost / armor repair bonus | ||
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| Scan probe sensor strength | | Scan probe sensor strength | ||
| style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref | | style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref>The probe scan strength from Gravity Capacitor Upgrade rigs and Scan Rangefinding Arrays and Sisters & Tech 2 launchers are all stacking penalized, even though the rigs and launchers don't mention it. Sisters probes are not, because they are not percentage effects - the core probes have a base strength of 44 instead of 40 (or 22 instead of 20 in the case of Sisters combat probes).</ref> | ||
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| Scan resolution | | Scan resolution | ||
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| Velocity | | Velocity | ||
| style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref | | style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref>There are two different velocity bonuses, the ''Maximum Velocity Bonus'' (propulsion modules such as afterburners and microwarpdrives) and the ''Velocity Modifier'' (propulsion upgrade modules such as nanifibers, overdrives etc). They stack separately and thus a MWD doesn't change the stacking order for multiple propulsion upgrades.</ref> | ||
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| Inertia modifier (agility) | | Inertia modifier (agility) | ||
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| Duration (cycle time) bonuses (other) | | Duration (cycle time) bonuses (other) | ||
| style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref | | style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref>Although the Nanobot Accelerator rig (to decrease armor repairer cycle time) says it is stacking penalized in Show Info, it isn't.</ref> | ||
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| Missile launcher rate of fire | | Missile launcher rate of fire | ||
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{| class="wikitable" | {| class="wikitable" | ||
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! Overheated module (bonus) | |||
! | ! Stacking-penalized | ||
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| shield/armor repairer (repair ammount) | | shield/armor repairer (repair ammount) | ||
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| Afterburners and micro warp drives | | Afterburners and micro warp drives | ||
| style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref | | style="background: #3a0000; text-align: center;" | yes<ref>Stacking penalized with rapid deployment command burst. Not with speed boosting modules or rigs.</ref> | ||
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| Turrets and missile launchers (damage bonus) | | Turrets and missile launchers (damage bonus) | ||
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| Turrets and missile launchers (Rate of fire bonus ) | | Turrets and missile launchers (Rate of fire bonus ) | ||
| style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref | | style="background: #003a00; text-align: center;" | no<ref>The Bastion module rate of fire bonus is stacking penalized with overheat rate of fire bonus.</ref> | ||
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| Capacitor transmitters | | Capacitor transmitters | ||
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Many overheating bonuses are not stacking penalized simply due to the fact that there are no modules or effects that would modify the same stat as the overheat bonus.These modules are considered to be not stacking penalized until an | Many overheating bonuses are not stacking penalized simply due to the fact that there are no modules or effects that would modify the same stat as the overheat bonus.These modules are considered to be not stacking penalized until an effect that modifies same stat as the overheat bonus is released.<br> | ||
Modules with no overlaping effects: | Modules with no overlaping effects: | ||
* Sensor boosters | * Sensor boosters | ||