Cargo Hauling with the Cloak Trick: Difference between revisions

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Most people will notice that there is no armor or shield [[Tanking|tank]] in any of these fittings. Any kind of traditional tank is an utter waste of time and can be extremely expensive. The reality is that haulers are paper thin and defenseless if you get [[Tackling Guide|tackled]] it’s only a matter of time (normally mere seconds) before you are going to be destroyed as there is no method of retaliation that we can bring to bear upon our attackers. Even if you fit weapons they will not be up to the task of taking out a ship designed for combat.

Because of this we use the [[Cloak Trick]]. Instead of trying to absorb damage our goal here is to completely dodge it by being unavailable for targeting and warping out of the area as soon as possible.

Because of this, we use the [[Cloak Trick]]. Instead of trying to absorb damage our goal here is to completely dodge it by being unavailable for targeting and warping out of the area as soon as possible.

=== Inherent problems of the MWD + Cloaking Trick ===

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=== Nanofiber Internal Structure II vs Inertial Stabilizers II ===

There are some ships ~~which~~ have no problems with power grid and don’t benefit from cargo expanding modules. These ships are specialist ships ~~which~~ can only hold certain types of cargo, like ammunition. Their special cargo holds are far larger than any standard cargo hold on any ship in this class, while their normal cargo holds are only about 500-550 cubic meters. As cargo hold expansion modules operate on a percentage basis; the benefit they give these ships is insignificant.

There are some ships that have no problems with power grid and don’t benefit from cargo expanding modules. These ships are specialist ships that can only hold certain types of cargo, like ammunition. Their special cargo holds are far larger than any standard cargo hold on any ship in this class, while their normal cargo holds are only about 500-550 cubic meters. As cargo hold expansion modules operate on a percentage basis; the benefit they give these ships is insignificant.

We take advantage of this fact to act on our fourth goal. By fitting Nanofiber Internal Structure II’s and Inertial Stabilizers II, we reduce the ship's mass and increase its agility. This means a smaller warp out time which means less time spent in any particular place in space, cloaked or otherwise.

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=== Use of T2 equipment for new players ===

Anyone who has taken a look at the [[T2]] gear in ~~Eve~~ Online has probably noted how much more time and isk it takes to be able to use and afford. Normally they would not be viable options for new characters trying to fly ships as soon as possible. Most T2 equipment requires a level five in at least one skill however the T2 modules we use in these fittings only require a level two. Additionally both of the modules we are using require the same level two skill so we are getting the use of two T2 modules for one level two skill.

Anyone who has taken a look at the [[T2]] gear in EVE Online has probably noted how much more time and isk it takes to be able to use and afford it. Normally they would not be viable options for new characters trying to fly ships as soon as possible. Most T2 equipment requires a level five in at least one skill however the T2 modules we use in these fittings only require a level two. Additionally both of the modules we are using require the same level two skill so we are getting the use of two T2 modules for one level two skill.

== Haulers by race ==

The following table is a comparison of the different haulers ~~which~~ new characters will be able to fly with relatively little training. Ships from each race are considered and were fitted according to the goals listed above.

The following table is a comparison of the different haulers that new characters will be able to fly with relatively little training. Ships from each race are considered and were fitted according to the goals listed above.

All ships were fitted using [[PYFA]] and a "dummy" pilot with zero skills. In some fittings an alternate "dummy" pilot with {{sk|Power Grid Management|III|icon=yes}} was used. These fittings are normally for those haulers with larger default hold capacities as their power grids are smaller in general. The use of the second "dummy" pilot is noted in the title of the fit.

All ships were fitted using [[PYFA]] and a "dummy" pilot with zero skills. In some fittings, an alternate "dummy" pilot with {{sk|Power Grid Management|III|icon=yes}} was used. These fittings are normally for those haulers with larger default hold capacities as their power grids are smaller in general. The use of the second "dummy" pilot is noted in the title of the fit.

=== Summary statistics by race ===

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== Conclusion ==

After all of that we have a pretty clear picture showing us the optimal choices available to us based upon different criteria. As a new character you may or may not have spare ISK to spend but all new characters will have to consider time to train as a factor in the ship they choose to haul cargo while cloaked.

After all of that, we have a pretty clear picture showing us the optimal choices available to us based upon different criteria. As a new character, you may or may not have spare ISK to spend but all new characters will have to consider time to train as a factor in the ship they choose to haul cargo while cloaked.

If you are ISK heavy ~~than~~ your primary concern is probably going to be cargo capacity. Apart from specialist cargo holds the two best fits for this category (in order) is the Bestower with PGM III at over 16k m^3 and then the Badger at just over 15k m^3. As the badger does not require the training of PGM III it is slightly faster to get into. It is also half the price of the Bestower.

If you are ISK heavy then your primary concern is probably going to be cargo capacity. Apart from specialist cargo holds the two best fits for this category (in order) is the Bestower with PGM III at over 16k m^3 and then the Badger at just over 15k m^3. As the badger does not require the training of PGM III it is slightly faster to get into. It is also half the price of the Bestower.

For the purely budget conscious the Badger is still the best choice. Every other hauler is more expensive and the badger is only about a thousand cubic meters shy of having the largest hold as well.

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 Most people will notice that there is no armor or shield [[Tanking|tank]] in any of these fittings. Any kind of traditional tank is an utter waste of time and can be extremely expensive. The reality is that haulers are paper thin and defenseless if you get [[Tackling Guide|tackled]] it’s only a matter of time (normally mere seconds) before you are going to be destroyed as there is no method of retaliation that we can bring to bear upon our attackers. Even if you fit weapons they will not be up to the task of taking out a ship designed for combat.
-Because of this we use the [[Cloak Trick]]. Instead of trying to absorb damage our goal here is to completely dodge it by being unavailable for targeting and warping out of the area as soon as possible.
+Because of this, we use the [[Cloak Trick]]. Instead of trying to absorb damage our goal here is to completely dodge it by being unavailable for targeting and warping out of the area as soon as possible.
 === Inherent problems of the MWD + Cloaking Trick ===
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 === Nanofiber Internal Structure II vs Inertial Stabilizers II ===
-There are some ships which have no problems with power grid and don’t benefit from cargo expanding modules. These ships are specialist ships which can only hold certain types of cargo, like ammunition. Their special cargo holds are far larger than any standard cargo hold on any ship in this class, while their normal cargo holds are only about 500-550 cubic meters. As cargo hold expansion modules operate on a percentage basis; the benefit they give these ships is insignificant.
+There are some ships that have no problems with power grid and don’t benefit from cargo expanding modules. These ships are specialist ships that can only hold certain types of cargo, like ammunition. Their special cargo holds are far larger than any standard cargo hold on any ship in this class, while their normal cargo holds are only about 500-550 cubic meters. As cargo hold expansion modules operate on a percentage basis; the benefit they give these ships is insignificant.
 We take advantage of this fact to act on our fourth goal. By fitting Nanofiber Internal Structure II’s and Inertial Stabilizers II, we reduce the ship's mass and increase its agility. This means a smaller warp out time which means less time spent in any particular place in space, cloaked or otherwise.
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 === Use of T2 equipment for new players ===
-Anyone who has taken a look at the [[T2]] gear in Eve Online has probably noted how much more time and isk it takes to be able to use and afford. Normally they would not be viable options for new characters trying to fly ships as soon as possible. Most T2 equipment requires a level five in at least one skill however the T2 modules we use in these fittings only require a level two. Additionally both of the modules we are using require the same level two skill so we are getting the use of two T2 modules for one level two skill.
+Anyone who has taken a look at the [[T2]] gear in EVE Online has probably noted how much more time and isk it takes to be able to use and afford it. Normally they would not be viable options for new characters trying to fly ships as soon as possible. Most T2 equipment requires a level five in at least one skill however the T2 modules we use in these fittings only require a level two. Additionally both of the modules we are using require the same level two skill so we are getting the use of two T2 modules for one level two skill.
 == Haulers by race ==
-The following table is a comparison of the different haulers which new characters will be able to fly with relatively little training. Ships from each race are considered and were fitted according to the goals listed above.
+The following table is a comparison of the different haulers that new characters will be able to fly with relatively little training. Ships from each race are considered and were fitted according to the goals listed above.
-All ships were fitted using [[PYFA]] and a "dummy" pilot with zero skills. In some fittings an alternate "dummy" pilot with {{sk|Power Grid Management|III|icon=yes}} was used. These fittings are normally for those haulers with larger default hold capacities as their power grids are smaller in general. The use of the second "dummy" pilot is noted in the title of the fit.
+All ships were fitted using [[PYFA]] and a "dummy" pilot with zero skills. In some fittings, an alternate "dummy" pilot with {{sk|Power Grid Management|III|icon=yes}} was used. These fittings are normally for those haulers with larger default hold capacities as their power grids are smaller in general. The use of the second "dummy" pilot is noted in the title of the fit.
 === Summary statistics by race ===
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 == Conclusion ==
-After all of that we have a pretty clear picture showing us the optimal choices available to us based upon different criteria. As a new character you may or may not have spare ISK to spend but all new characters will have to consider time to train as a factor in the ship they choose to haul cargo while cloaked.
+After all of that, we have a pretty clear picture showing us the optimal choices available to us based upon different criteria. As a new character, you may or may not have spare ISK to spend but all new characters will have to consider time to train as a factor in the ship they choose to haul cargo while cloaked.
-If you are ISK heavy than your primary concern is probably going to be cargo capacity. Apart from specialist cargo holds the two best fits for this category (in order) is the Bestower with PGM III at over 16k m^3 and then the Badger at just over 15k m^3. As the badger does not require the training of PGM III it is slightly faster to get into. It is also half the price of the Bestower.
+If you are ISK heavy then your primary concern is probably going to be cargo capacity. Apart from specialist cargo holds the two best fits for this category (in order) is the Bestower with PGM III at over 16k m^3 and then the Badger at just over 15k m^3. As the badger does not require the training of PGM III it is slightly faster to get into. It is also half the price of the Bestower.
 For the purely budget conscious the Badger is still the best choice. Every other hauler is more expensive and the badger is only about a thousand cubic meters shy of having the largest hold as well.