User:Olly Wakwako/sandbox/Incursion Upgrades and Progression: Difference between revisions

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{{important note box|The [[EVE University Incursion Community]] doesn't require '''unistas''' to use fancy hulls and modules or put expensive implants into your head. If you wish, you may use our loaner battleships indefinitely. However, we encourage those that enjoy the content and have the means to upgrade their ships, as it opens the possibility to take part in other communities, and allows us to run Vanguards more effectively}}

There are a lot of ways to spend ISK on your incursion character in order to improve your performance, be that '''buying a pirate faction battleship''', getting '''faction and deadspace modules''' or '''injecting implants''' into your head. Some of these options are more effective than others, so before you start ''"throwing ISK at the problem"'' with wild abandon ... take a moment to consider your options.

* We suggest that unistas use the loaner battleships provided by the Incursions Community until you can afford to buy a Pirate Faction Battleship. At that point, you should buy yourself the full starter fit for your preferred hull.

* You should at this point train towards the appropriate Tier II weapon system for the hull you have chosen.

* Once you have fully upgraded your Pirate Battleship, you should consider training into the Marauder which shares a weapon system with your current ship (Vargur from Machariel, Kronos from Vindicator, Paladin from Nightmare).

* Following buying and fitting a Marauder, you should finish by completing your implant set following the Implants Guide.

==== Oneiros ====

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{{icon|gallente2|28}}{{sk|Gallente Cruiser}}<br>

[[File:Icon remote armor repair i.png|28px]]{{sk|Remote Armor Repair Systems}}<br>

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==== Nestor ====

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{{icon|amarr2|28}}{{sk|Amarr Battleship}}<br>

{{icon|gallente2|28}}{{sk|Gallente Battleship}}<br>

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=== Pirate faction battleships ===

Some of these have a natural progression, like the [[Vanguard Incursion fits#Maelstrom|Maelstrom]] pilot only needing {{sk|Gallente Battleship}} to move into a '''Machariel''' and a [[Vanguard Incursion fits#Hyperion|Hyperion]] pilot only needing to train {{sk|Minmatar Battleship}} to get into the '''Vindicator'''. Left a bit on the side is the [[Vanguard Incursion fits#Rokh|Rokh]] with a low priority synergy with the '''Nightmare''' given the {{sk|Caldari Battleship}} skill and a slightly stronger synergy with the '''Vindicator''' given that they both use the {{sk|Large Hybrid Turret}} skill for their guns.

==== Nightmare ====

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| valign="top" style="padding:4px;" | The {{ship|Nightmare|tooltip}} has very good damage at any range due to fast-swapping crystals and compensates for the innate low tracking of lasers with the ship's tracking bonus. It also has plenty of utility midslots available. Has some cap issues putting some pressure on good cap skills.

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| valign="top" style="padding:4px;" | The {{ship|Vindicator|tooltip}} is a brawler without match, both in terms of damage and incredibly strong webs. Despite appearances, it can also apply at range with Null ammunition once upgraded with Tech II blasters.

{{icon|minmatar2|28}}{{sk|Minmatar Battleship}}<small>&nbsp;<ref name="galmin"/></small> (highest priority as it increases webifier effectiveness)<br>

{{icon|large blaster|28}}{{sk|Large Hybrid Turret}} increases damage

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{{icon|large autocannon|28}}{{sk|Large Projectile Turret}} increases damage

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==== Paladin ====

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{{icon|amarr2|28}}{{sk|Amarr Battleship}} Improves capacitor and range projection<br>

{{icon|large pulse laser|28}}{{sk|Large Energy Turret}} Increases damage

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==== Kronos  ====

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{{icon|gallente2|28}}{{sk|Gallente Battleship}} Improves damage and range<br>

{{icon|large blaster|28}}{{sk|Large Hybrid Turret}} Increases damage

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==== Vargur ====

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{{icon|minmatar2|28}}{{sk|Minmatar Battleship}} Improves damage and projection<br>

In almost all cases, upgrading your hull should be your first goal if you're looking to invest more ISK. Generally speaking for hisec, while faction and deadspace modules are great, pirate faction hulls often give superior bonuses without inflating the value of droppable modules fit to your ship. In the case of Incursions specifically, the matter comes down to the pirate faction battleships having two damage bonuses and powerful role bonuses (instead of having an offensive and a defensive bonus), plus much better overall ship stats such as align time.

! colspan=3 | Energy Turrets

! colspan=3 | Hybrid Turrets

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| Kronos

| Tempest Fleet

| Vargur  

|-  

| {{co|lightgreen|2689}}

| 1061

| {{co|lightgreen|2786}}

|-  

| 7.96 <ref name="vindi">This statistic is slightly misleading as the Vindicators in fleet are often provided with remote tracking computers and sensor boosters from the logistics and booster pilots.</ref>

| {{co|lightgreen|12.1}}

| 5.27

| {{co|lightgreen|8.17}}

| {{co|lightgreen|6.99km / 36.1km}}

| 3.9km / 30.4km

| {{co|lightgreen|4.5km / 54.4km}}

|-  

| {{co|lightgreen|Stable +8.31 GJ/s}}

| {{co|lightgreen|Stable +14.5 GJ/s}}

| {{co|lightgreen|Stable +17.9 GJ/s}}

|-  

| 46.7k

| 40.2k

| {{co|lightgreen|61.6k}}

| 47.0k

|-  

| {{icon|sensor resolution|24}} Scan Resolution

| {{co|lightgreen|516 mm}}

| {{co|crimson|396 mm}}

| {{co|crimson|371 mm}}

|-  

| 420 m

| 374 m

| 380 m

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| [[image:icon_drones.png|24px|link=]] Drone Capacity

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| [[image:icon_velocity.png|24px|link=]] Warp Speed

| 3.5 AU/s <ref name="marauder_warp"/>

| 3.6 AU/s

| 3.5 AU/s <ref name="marauder_warp"/>

|-  

| 640M

| 1.87B

| 4.69B

| 758M

| 4.38B

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For the most part, fit progression is really only relevant for high-end ships like the three pirate faction battleships and marauders mentioned above. Logistics ships use pretty much the same rigs, changing only a few modules based on their desired fit. Remember that upgrading from a regular battleship to a pirate faction battleship alone is a big upgrade and the best use of your ISK for the initial upgrade.

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== Faction and deadspace modules ==

Consider the actual benefit you will get from upgrading a certain module. Getting a deadspace hardener is useful for most ships as it frees up a midslot. But even though a faction tracking computer or a sensor booster might make sense for public fleets built to compete, for our community that isn't going to be as worthwhile of an investment as we usually don't compete.

To put this into perspective you need to factor in [[stacking penalties]]. If you're just using one module to a given effect, it's easy to calculate and see the difference, but when you have more intricate combinations where things end up 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th in the stacking hierarchy, it might be a little harder to see what you get out of it.

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== Injecting implants ==

See [[Preparing for Incursions#Minimum skills for logistics|minimum]] and [[Preparing for Incursions#Recommended skills for logistics|recommended skills]] for a list of specific skills to train early on to quickly move into the '''recommended''' and '''advanced''' logistics fits.

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| {{co|coral|Implants}}

See [[Preparing for Incursions#Minimum skills for damage dealers|minimum]] and [[Preparing for Incursions#Recommended skills for damage dealers|recommended skills]] for a list of specific skills to train early on.

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| {{co|coral|Tech two weapons}}

As soon as you have the skills for it, toss away those old meta turrets and replace them with your tech two turrets of choice. All ships, tech one battleships as well as pirate faction battleships benefit greatly from the much more powerful tech two turrets (and their advanced ammunition).

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| {{co|coral|Improved drone skills}}

There are several drone-related skills to help improve your performance. First improving drone control range, then general '''drone support''' and '''specialization''' skills. Later on you might train '''heavy drones''' for headquarter sites or '''sentry drones''' for vanguard sites.

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| {{co|coral|Capacitor management}}

Some skills improve basic capacitor regeneration, others reduce capacitor usage instead. Some ships will have little to no issues with cap, while others are much more subject to it and require very high skills. Implants play a small role in this as well, so your mileage will vary here depending on your skills, ship, fit and implants.

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| {{co|coral|Fitting skills}}

== Planning ahead ==

You should also consider secondary value of whatever you train, perhaps you can find an end-of-the-line ship that not only furthers your goals for incursions but other goals as well given the skills you'll end up training for it. If you already know that you like smaller ships, or have plans for diving into a wormhole in the future, it would make much more sense training into a strategic cruiser than a pirate faction battleship.