Preparing for Incursions: Difference between revisions

Unless you are already heavily invested into a certain race or weapon system, it might be a good idea to think of which logistics ship or pirate faction battleship you'll want in the end, rather than what your first incursion ship should be. You should also consider secondary value of whatever you train, perhaps you can find an end-of-the-line ship that not only furthers your goals for incursions but other goals as well given the skills you'll end up training for it.

See [[ship progression in Incursions]] for more information.

 

The training times listed for these will assume that you utilize the '''+3 attribute implants''' (see [[the +3 Implants Program]] for unistas to get started). These implants are cheap and gives you a much needed boost to your training times.

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[http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/30_days_Concord_Pilot_License_Extension Pilot License Extension] (PLEX) can be used to activate [[Dual Character Training|multiple character training]]. If you want to use the characters at the same time, or plan on training for a long time, consider making a '''second account''' instead as characters on the same account cannot be logged in at the same time.

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The majority of the skills we ask you to train are core fitting and support skills that'll help you fit and fly most ships better. Even the combat skills are mostly general gunnery or drone support skills you'd train as well if you did anything combat related in EVE.

Getting the minimum skills for a damage dealer requires a couple of months worth of training, if you train into a turret-based battleship on a brand new character. These minimum skills will allow you to fly any of the '''minimum battleship fits''' for [[Vanguard Incursion fits#Battleships|vanguards]]. It will also allow you to fly most of the [[Assault Incursion fits#Battleships|assaults]] fits, although some of them might require you to touch up on a skill or two.

| ~ 10 days and 4 hours

| ~ 8 days and 1 hour

| ~ 19 days and 3 hours

| ~ 4 days and 22 hours

| ~ 12 days and 20 hour

Shield Operation IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Shield Operation|IV}} is required for the {{sk|EM Shield Compensation}}} skill.</ref></small><br>

Shield Upgrades IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Shield Upgrades|IV}} is required for the {{sk|EM Shield Compensation}} skill.</ref></small><br>

Hull Upgrades IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Hull Upgrades|IV}} is required to fit the '''Damage Control II''' module.</ref></small>

Propulsion Jamming III<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Propulsion Jamming}} is needed to use a '''stasis webifier''' module.</ref></small><br>

Controlled Bursts IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Controlled Bursts}} is needed to lower the cap usage of all '''hybrid''' and '''energy turrets''', but useless for projectiles as they do not use cap to fire.</ref></small><br>

Small <racial> Turret III<small>&nbsp;<ref name="racial">'''<racial> Frigate III''' and '''Small <racial> Turret III''' are starter skills you normally have, but are included in case you have to cross-train out of your initial race.</ref></small><br>

Amarr Drone Specialization III<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Drones|V}}, {{sk|Light Drone Operation|V}} and {{sk|Amarr Drone Specialization|I}} is required to use '''Acolyte II'''. It's acceptable to skip this skill initially if you can use other drones, like '''Warrior II''' drones, but train it as soon as possible.</ref></small><br>

Drone Durability I<small>&nbsp;<ref name="bots">{{sk|Drone Durability|I}}, {{sk|Repair Drone Operation|II}} and {{sk|Shield Emission Systems|III}} is required to use '''shield maintenance drones'''. If you have room for heavies they require {{sk|Repair Drone Operation|III}}.</ref></small><br>

Repair Drone Operation II<small>&nbsp;<ref name="bots"></ref></small><br>

Shield Emission Systems III<small>&nbsp;<ref name="bots"></ref></small>

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| ~ 19 days and 8 hours

| ~ 34 days and 18 hours

| ~ 2 day and 17 hours

== Minimum skills for logistics ==

Energy Grid Upgrades IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Energy Grid Upgrades}} is required for the '''cap''', '''power diagnostic''' and '''reactor control''' modules.</ref></small><br>

Shield Upgrades IV<small>&nbsp;<ref name="basi">{{co|crimson|Basilisks only}} - {{sk|Shield Upgrades|IV}}, {{sk|Hull Upgrades|IV}} and {{sk|Capacitor Emission Systems|IV}} are required for the '''Large Shield Extender II''', '''Damage Control II''' and '''remote capacitor transmitter''' modules</ref></small><br>

Hull Upgrades IV<small>&nbsp;<ref name="basi"></ref></small>

Signature Analysis V<small>&nbsp;<ref name="logistics">{{sk|Signature Analysis|V}} and {{sk|Long Range Targeting|V}} are requirements for the {{sk|Logistics}} skill.</ref></small><br>

Target Management V<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Target Management|V}} is a requirement for the {{sk|Advanced Target Management}} skill.</ref></small><br>

Capacitor Emission Systems IV<small>&nbsp;<ref name="basi"></ref></small><br>

Sensor Linking IV

<racial> Frigate III<small>&nbsp;<ref name="racial">'''<racial> Frigate III''' is a starter skill you normally have, but is included in case you have to cross-train out of your initial race.</ref></small><br>

Warp Drive Operation III

Drone Durability I<small>&nbsp;<ref name="logibots">{{sk|Drone Durability|I}} and {{sk|Repair Drone Operation|II}} is required to use '''shield maintenance drones'''.</ref></small><br>

Repair Drone Operation II<small>&nbsp;<ref name="logibots"></ref></small><br>

{{co|grey|Shield Emission Systems III}}<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Shield Emission Systems|IV}} is already trained as a requirement for the '''Remote Shield Booster II''' module.</ref></small>

| colspan=5 | ~ 74 days and 16 hours worth of training for a{{icon|minmatar2|20}}'''Scimitar''' and ~ 78 days and 7 hours for a{{icon|caldari2|20}}'''Basilisk'''

== Recommended skills for logistics ==

Since the minimum skills only gets you so far, it's important to continue training into the '''recommended logistics fit''' for [[Vanguard Incursion fits#Logistics|logistics]] (and preferably the '''advanced fits''' too). This is important because being able to quickly upgrade from meta to tech two '''Remote Shield Booster II''' modules will ensure the safety of the fleet.

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! [[file:icon_ship_dark.png|32px|link=]] Advanced<small>&nbsp;<ref>This assumes you've already trained the skills listed under '''recommended'''.</ref></small>

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| ~ 11 days and 1 hour

| ~ 42 days and 10 hours

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Logistics V<br>

{{co|grey|Repair Drone Operation V}}

{{co|grey|Shield Rigging IV}}<br>

{{co|grey|Jury Rigging III<small>&nbsp;<ref>{{sk|Jury Rigging|III}} is a requirement for the {{sk|Shield Rigging}} skill.</ref></small>}}

Once you've got the most pressing skills trained and you're looking towards further training, remember that in the time it takes to train a skill from IV to V you can usually train up a handful of other skills from I to IV. As a general rule of thumb we recommend that people train their skills up to IV before starting to max them out. Sometimes you need a skill that requires you to train another skill to V, so it's not always avoidable, but until you have a solid set of skills trained it makes sense to hold off on training skills to V.

When you start training skills to V it might be a good time to start doing some serious skillplanning and consider [[Skills_and_Learning#Neural_Remaps|neural remaps]] and better attribute implants. While restrictive, a good neural remap and attribute upgrades can lower the training time significantly.

Remember that the minimum and recommended skills are just the beginning and there is much room for improvement. Maxing out the gunnery and support skills and topping off your racial ship skills for example will make your ship much more efficient. You'll also have many more options to improve your fit with better fitting and support skills, like upgrading a module, drop an excessive tank module for more utility modules and so forth.

What you're going to train next differs a little bit based on what ship and what weapons you're going to use. For some fitting skills will be prioritized due to the lack of CPU or powergrid of their hull, for others capacitor skills are more important while others can simply go straight for better ship and gunnery skills.

Remote Armor Repair Systems III<small>&nbsp;<ref name="armour bots">{{sk|Remote Armor Repair Systems|III}} is required to use '''armor maintenance bots'''.</ref></small>

Remote Armor Repair Systems IV<small>&nbsp;<ref>Logistics need to train {{sk|Remote Armor Repair Systems|IV}} for the sake of reducing the cap usage of their remote armour repair modules.</ref></small><br>

It is no secret that having alts or several accounts are extremely useful in EVE. Incursions are no different and we can make good use of alts for a wide variety of things, especially unistas during war. The training times shown below are assuming the same +3 attribute implants as mentioned at the top of this page.

Scouting can be done in pretty much any ship and doesn't require any skills at all, even shuttles. When it comes to hacking there are a few skills that help, but for the most part you'll have the skills needed to hack right off the bat.  

For more information about the role, see the [[Roles in Incursions#Hacker/Scout|hacker/scout]] section on the '''Roles in Incursions''' page.

Having an alt capable of flying your ships around is invaluable when your main character is at war or otherwise indisposed. If the purpose is just to fly the ship, they wouldn't need any gunnery skills whatsoever. The same character could theoretically become your dedicated incursion/mission alt down the line to make life easier for your main character, if you have the means to support a second account that is.