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Once you have the minimum skills, it's time to consider what else to train. | Once you have the minimum skills, it's time to consider what else to train. | ||
{{note box|In the time it takes to train a skill from IV to V you can usually train up a handful of other skills from I to IV, so as a general rule of thumb we recommend that people train their skills up to IV before starting to max them out. Sometimes you need a skill that requires you to train another skill to V, so it's not always avoidable, but until you have a solid set of skills trained it makes sense to hold off on training skills to V.}} | {{note box|In the time it takes to train a skill from IV to V you can usually train up a handful of other skills from I to IV, so as a general rule of thumb we recommend that people train their skills up to IV before starting to max them out. Sometimes you need a skill that requires you to train another skill to V, so it's not always avoidable, but until you have a solid set of skills trained it makes sense to hold off on training skills to V.}} | ||
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+ | == Advanced weapons and modules == | ||
+ | Tech two guns for damage dealers and a full set of tech two remote shield boosters greatly improve your efficiency in fleets. | ||
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== Advanced hulls == | == Advanced hulls == | ||
The step from a battleship to a strategic cruiser or a pirate faction battleship is surprisingly short and you should take this step as soon as possible to get into a really good ship. You might need to top off some of the support skills, pending on what ship you decide to move into, if you run into powergrid, CPU or cap issues. | The step from a battleship to a strategic cruiser or a pirate faction battleship is surprisingly short and you should take this step as soon as possible to get into a really good ship. You might need to top off some of the support skills, pending on what ship you decide to move into, if you run into powergrid, CPU or cap issues. | ||
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! [[file:icon_ship.png|32px|link=]] Strategic Cruisers | ! [[file:icon_ship.png|32px|link=]] Strategic Cruisers | ||
! [[file:icon_ship_dark.png|32px|link=]] Pirate Faction Battleships<small> <ref>Assuming the worst possible starter skills, two racial shiplines and new gunnery skills. Most likely you'll end up only needing to train a new racial ship line for your secondary battleship skill.</ref></small> | ! [[file:icon_ship_dark.png|32px|link=]] Pirate Faction Battleships<small> <ref>Assuming the worst possible starter skills, two racial shiplines and new gunnery skills. Most likely you'll end up only needing to train a new racial ship line for your secondary battleship skill.</ref></small> | ||
− | ! [[file: | + | ! [[file:icon_gunnery_turret.png|32px|link=]] Additional turrets |
− | ! [[file:icon_ship_other.png|32px|link=]] | + | ! [[file:icon_ship_other.png|32px|link=]] Additional ships |
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| ~ 43 days and 20 hours | | ~ 43 days and 20 hours | ||
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| ~ 9 days and 17 hours | | ~ 9 days and 17 hours | ||
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Mechanics V<br> | Mechanics V<br> | ||
Shield Operation III<br> | Shield Operation III<br> | ||
− | CPU | + | CPU Management V<br> |
− | Power Grid | + | Power Grid Management V<br> |
− | {{co|grey| | + | {{co|grey|Gunnery V<small> <ref>'''Gunnery V''' for the Legion, Loki and Proteus, but only '''Gunnery III''' for the Tengu. This skill is covered by the '''minimum skills''' already.</ref></small>}}<br> |
Missile Launcher Operation III<small> <ref>'''Missile Launcher Operation V''' for the Tengu and '''Missile Launcher Operation III''' for the Loki. Neither the Legion or the Proteus needs this skill trained unless they decide to fit missiles.</ref></small><br> | Missile Launcher Operation III<small> <ref>'''Missile Launcher Operation V''' for the Tengu and '''Missile Launcher Operation III''' for the Loki. Neither the Legion or the Proteus needs this skill trained unless they decide to fit missiles.</ref></small><br> | ||
Navigation V<br> | Navigation V<br> | ||
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<racial> Offensive Systems V<small> <ref>For the '''Legion''' it is very important to get '''Amarr Offensive Systems V''', since it increases damage projection as well as reduces cap usage of your turrets. For the '''Loki''' it is a straight up damage projection increase which translates into an increase of applied damage.</ref></small><br> | <racial> Offensive Systems V<small> <ref>For the '''Legion''' it is very important to get '''Amarr Offensive Systems V''', since it increases damage projection as well as reduces cap usage of your turrets. For the '''Loki''' it is a straight up damage projection increase which translates into an increase of applied damage.</ref></small><br> | ||
<racial> Propulsion Systems IV | <racial> Propulsion Systems IV | ||
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<primary> Frigate III<br> | <primary> Frigate III<br> | ||
<primary> Destroyer III<br> | <primary> Destroyer III<br> | ||
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! [[file:icon_cogs.png|32px|link=]] Support skills | ! [[file:icon_cogs.png|32px|link=]] Support skills | ||
− | ! [[file: | + | ! [[file:icon_gunnery_turret.png|32px|link=]] Gunnery skills |
! [[file:icon_ship.png|32px|link=]] Ship skills | ! [[file:icon_ship.png|32px|link=]] Ship skills | ||
− | ! [[File:Icon | + | ! [[File:Icon drones.png|32px|link=]] Drone skills |
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− | | colspan= | + | | colspan=5 align="center" | Prioritize which skills to train first, some are more important than others, so do your research. |
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Cybernetics V<small> <ref>'''Cybernetics''' V is required for the top-tier advanced implants, like the +6% CONCORD-implants.</ref></small><br> | Cybernetics V<small> <ref>'''Cybernetics''' V is required for the top-tier advanced implants, like the +6% CONCORD-implants.</ref></small><br> | ||
− | CPU | + | CPU Management V<br> |
− | Power Grid | + | Power Grid Management V<br> |
Mechanics V<br> | Mechanics V<br> | ||
Capacitor Management V<br> | Capacitor Management V<br> | ||
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Sensor Linking V<small> <ref name="links">'''Sensor Linking''' is only required if you can fit the '''Tracking Link''' module and only needed at higher skill-levels if you try to fit several faction links at once.</ref></small><br> | Sensor Linking V<small> <ref name="links">'''Sensor Linking''' is only required if you can fit the '''Tracking Link''' module and only needed at higher skill-levels if you try to fit several faction links at once.</ref></small><br> | ||
EM Shield Compensation V<small> <ref>Only if you actually use the passive '''EM Ward Amplifier''' module.</ref></small><br> | EM Shield Compensation V<small> <ref>Only if you actually use the passive '''EM Ward Amplifier''' module.</ref></small><br> | ||
− | Biology V | + | Biology V<small> <ref>'''Biology''' increases the duration of drugs by 20% per skillevel. Should only be considered if you fly with communities that contest all the time and use drugs to get the upper hand.</ref></small> |
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Weapon Upgrades V<br> | Weapon Upgrades V<br> | ||
Advanced Weapon Upgrades V<br> | Advanced Weapon Upgrades V<br> | ||
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Surgical Strike V<br> | Surgical Strike V<br> | ||
Trajectory Analysis V<br> | Trajectory Analysis V<br> | ||
− | Controlled Bursts V<small> <ref>'''Controlled Bursts''' is useful for all hybrids and lasers, but useless for projectiles | + | Controlled Bursts V<small> <ref>'''Controlled Bursts''' is useful for all hybrids and lasers, but useless for projectiles aas they do not use cap to fire.</ref></small><br> |
Large <racial> Turret V<br> | Large <racial> Turret V<br> | ||
Large <racial> Specialization IV<br> | Large <racial> Specialization IV<br> | ||
− | Medium <racial> Turret V<small> <ref name="medium">Only if you're aiming for flying Strategic Cruisers and Command Ships with medium weapon systems.</ref></small><br> | + | Medium <racial> Turret V<small> <ref name="medium">Only if you're aiming for flying '''Strategic Cruisers''' and '''Command Ships''' with medium weapon systems.</ref></small><br> |
Medium <racial> Specialization IV<small> <ref name="medium"></ref></small><br> | Medium <racial> Specialization IV<small> <ref name="medium"></ref></small><br> | ||
<weapon> Rigging IV | <weapon> Rigging IV | ||
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Logistics V<br> | Logistics V<br> | ||
<racial> Defensive Systems V<br> | <racial> Defensive Systems V<br> | ||
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Navigation V<br> | Navigation V<br> | ||
Warp Drive Operation V | Warp Drive Operation V | ||
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Drone Interfacing V<br> | Drone Interfacing V<br> | ||
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Drone Navigation V<br> | Drone Navigation V<br> | ||
Drone Sharpshooting V<br> | Drone Sharpshooting V<br> | ||
Drone Durability IV<small> <ref>'''Drone Durability''' is one of those skills that you might consider twice before training. It's nice to have some studier drones, but ideally they shouldn't be taking damage anyway.</ref></small><br> | Drone Durability IV<small> <ref>'''Drone Durability''' is one of those skills that you might consider twice before training. It's nice to have some studier drones, but ideally they shouldn't be taking damage anyway.</ref></small><br> | ||
− | Sentry | + | Drone Avionics V<small><ref>'''Drone Avionics''' increases your drone control range by an additional 5 km / skillevel on top of the base 25 km control range.</ref></small><br> |
− | + | Electronic Warfare IV<small> <ref>'''Electronic Warfare''' is required for '''Advanced Drone Avionics'''.</ref></small><br> | |
− | + | Advanced Drone Avionics IV<small><ref>'''Advanced Drone Avionics''' increases your drone control range by an additional 3 km / skillevel allowing you to reach up to 60 km drone control range.</ref></small><br> | |
+ | Repair Drone operation V<small> <ref>'''Repair Drone Operation V''' is needed for tech two shield maintenance bots.</ref></small><br> | ||
+ | Medium Drone Operation<small> <ref>'''Medium Drone Operation V''' is required for '''Infiltrator II''' drones.</ref></small><br> | ||
+ | Sentry Drone Operation V<small> <ref>If your ship can field sentries, train '''Sentry Drones V''' so you can field tech two sentries. Not useful for common fleets, but very useful for specialized fleets.</ref></small><br> | ||
+ | Heavy Drone Operation V<small> <ref name="ogres">If your ship can field '''Ogres''', train '''Gallente Drone Specialization IV''' and '''Heavy Drone Operation V'''. While not used in vanguards and assaults, they can be very useful in some headquarter sites and the mothership site.</ref></small><br> | ||
+ | Amarr Drone Specialization IV<br> | ||
+ | Gallente Drone Specialization IV<small> <ref name="ogres"></ref></small><br> | ||
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While we primarily run shield fleets, most of the skills you use will be reusable for armour fleets as well. It wouldn't take too long to touch up on your armour skills to be able to run armour fleets. For unistas it also gives them great skills to use within the [[Wormhole Campus]], as they run primarily armour fleets. | While we primarily run shield fleets, most of the skills you use will be reusable for armour fleets as well. It wouldn't take too long to touch up on your armour skills to be able to run armour fleets. For unistas it also gives them great skills to use within the [[Wormhole Campus]], as they run primarily armour fleets. | ||
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! [[file:icon_remote_armor_repair_i.png|32px|link=]] Logistics | ! [[file:icon_remote_armor_repair_i.png|32px|link=]] Logistics | ||
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Hull Upgrades V<br> | Hull Upgrades V<br> | ||
Armor Rigging III<br> | Armor Rigging III<br> | ||
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<new racial> Frigate III<br> | <new racial> Frigate III<br> | ||
<new racial> Destroyer III<br> | <new racial> Destroyer III<br> | ||
− | <new racial Cruiser V<br> | + | <new racial> Cruiser V<br> |
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<small><references/></small> | <small><references/></small> | ||
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= Useful training for alts = | = Useful training for alts = | ||
It is no secret that having alts or several accounts are extremely useful in EVE. Incursions are no different and we can make good use of alts for a wide variety of things, especially unistas during war. | It is no secret that having alts or several accounts are extremely useful in EVE. Incursions are no different and we can make good use of alts for a wide variety of things, especially unistas during war. |
Revision as of 18:13, 8 June 2014
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Preparations |
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Planning ahead
Unless you are already heavily invested into a certain race or weapon system, it might be a good idea to think of which logistics ship, strategic cruiser or pirate faction battleship you'll want in the end, rather than what your first incursion ship should be.
You should also consider secondary value of whatever you train, perhaps you can find an end-of-the-line ship that not only furthers your goals for incursions but other goals as well given the skills you'll end up training for it. If you already know that you like smaller ships, or have plans for diving into a wormhole in the future, it would make much more sense training into a strategic cruiser than a pirate faction battleship.
See ship progression in Incursions for more information.
Minimum skills
The following skills are the minimum skills needed to use the fits we use for incursions. For more information on what the different skills do, see the support skills page. The training times listed for these will assume that you trained Cybernetics I and got a cheap set of +3 attribute implants, which is not only reasonable but highly recommended regardless what you plan on doing in EVE. There's even The +3 Implants Program for unistas to get started.
Damage dealers
Getting the minimum skills for a damage dealer requires a couple of months worth of training, if you train into a turret-based battleship on a brand new character.
Considering that is far more likely that you come looking for incursions after you have played the game for at least a couple of weeks, having trained some of the support skills already (the tutorial mentions many of them), you can often get ready much faster. Add to that the potential of neural remapping and what might seem like a daunting train can be covered in no-time.
These minimum skills will allow you to fly any of the minimum battleship fits for vanguards. It will also allow you to fly most of the assaults fits, although some of them might require you to touch up on a skill or two.
Core skills | Utility skills | Gunnery skills | Ship skills | Drone skills |
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~ 13 days and 1 hour | ~ 8 days and 18 hours | ~ 22 days and 9 hours | ~ 5 days and 8 hours | ~ 13 days |
Cybernetics I |
Signature Analysis IV |
Gunnery V |
<racial> Frigate III [9] |
Drones V |
~ 62 days, 12 hours and 5 minutes worth of training in total |
- ^ Shield Operation IV is required for the EM Shield Compensation skill.
- ^ Shield Operation IV is required for the EM Shield Compensation skill.
- ^ Hull Upgrades IV is required to fit the Damage Control II module.
- ^ Propulsion Jamming is a needed to use a stasis webifier.
- ^ Target Painting III is only needed if you'll use a Target Painter module.
- ^ Jury Rigging III is a required for the Shield Rigging skill.
- ^ Controlled Bursts is useful for all hybrids and energy turrets, but useless for projectiles as they do not use cap to fire.
- ^ Small <racial> Turret III is a starter skill, but this is included in case you have to crosstrain into another races weapon system.
- ^ <racial> Frigate III is a starter skill, but this is included in case you have to crosstrain out of your initial race.
- ^ Afterburner III is required for High Speed Maneuvering.
- ^ High Speed Maneuvering is required to fit the Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I module for headquarter sites.
- ^ Drones V, Light Drone Operation V and Amarr Drone Specialization I is required to use Acolyte II. Consider training Medium Drone Operation V to be able to use Infiltrator II drones as well. It's acceptable to skip this skill initially if you can use other drones, like Warrior II drones. But training this up only takes 20 hours.
- ^ Drone Durability I is required to use shield maintenance drones.
- ^ Repair Drone Operation II is required to use light and medium shield maintenance drones. If you have room for heavies they require Repair Drone Operation III.
- ^ Shield Emission System III is required to use shield maintenance drones.
Logistics
Training for logistics is considerably more time-consuming than that of a regular damage dealer. Please remember that when you think the above mentioned skills for a damage dealer is a long train. The bare minimum to make the logistics ships work is Logistics IV, there is practically no way to make these ships function with lower skills than that. The reason for that is because the skill heavily influences the cap usage of remote repair modules as well as capacitor transmitters.
It takes almost three months to get good enough skills to fly a minimum logistics fit and you should try to skill up and upgrade to the recommended fit as soon as possible. The repping power of meta four remote shield boosters are inferior to that of the tech two variant, so moving out of the minimum fit should be a high priority.
Core skills | Utility skills | Logistics skills | Ship skills | Drone skills |
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~ 10 days and 9 hours | ~ 25 days and 22 hours | ~ 6 days and 11 hours | ~ 32 days and 23 hours | ~ 5 days and 16 hours |
Cybernetics I |
Signature Analysis V [4] |
Shield Emission Systems IV |
<racial> Frigate III [10] |
Drones V |
~ 81 days, 9 hours and 44 minutes worth of training in total |
- ^ Energy Grid Upgrades II is required for the reactor controls and power diagnostic modules.
- ^ Shield Upgrades IV is a requirement for the Large Shield Extender II modules. Only Basilisk pilots need this, scimitar pilots will not need it.
- ^ Hull Upgrades IV is required to fit the Damage Control II module. Scimitar pilots could initially skip this.
- ^ a b Signature Analysis V and Long Range Targeting V is a requirement for the Logistics skill.
- ^ Target Management V is a requirement for Advanced Target Management.
- ^ Jury Rigging III is a required for the Shield Rigging skill.
- ^ Shield Rigging is only needed if you use shield rigs, so scimitar pilots can skip this.
- ^ Capacitor Emission Systems IV is only required if you fly a Basilisk with remote capacitor transfer modules, the Scimitar does not need this skill.
- ^ Sensor Linking is only required if you can fit and reduce the cap usage for the Remote Tracking Computer II module.
- ^ <racial> Frigate III is a starter skill, but this is included in case you have to crosstrain out of your initial race.
- ^ Drone Durability I is required to use shield maintenance drones.
- ^ Repair Drone Operation II is required to use light and medium shield maintenance drones.
- ^ Shield Emission Systems III is enough for maintenance drones, but Shield Emission Systems IV is already required Remote Shield Booster II modules.
Miscellaneous skills
Apart from the critical skills listed above, there are a few skills that you should get as soon as possible. We rely on offgrid boosters and as such we need people with leadership skills to pass boosts down the fleet hierarchy. Being able to overheat can often save your ship when something bad happens. Basic navigation skills helps mitigate align times and capacitor consumption from propulsion modules or from initiating warp. Having the skills to use the microwarpdrive and cloak trick for safer travel is also handy and recommended.
Commander | Thermodynamics | Navigation | 32px MWD + Cloak trick |
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~ 6 days and 16 hours | ~ 2 days and 20 hours | ~ 9 days and 17 hours | ~ 1 day and 19 hours |
Leadership V |
Power Grid Management IV [1] |
Acceleration Control IV [3] |
High Speed Maneuvering III |
Further training
Once you have the minimum skills, it's time to consider what else to train.
Advanced hulls
The step from a battleship to a strategic cruiser or a pirate faction battleship is surprisingly short and you should take this step as soon as possible to get into a really good ship. You might need to top off some of the support skills, pending on what ship you decide to move into, if you run into powergrid, CPU or cap issues.
For strategic cruisers you'll most likely require you to train some support skills to V and of course your racial cruiser of choice to V. Then you just move towards tech two medium weapons for further efficiency. When it comes to pirate faction battleship hulls like the Machariel, Nightmare and Vindicator, which are better in all aspects compared to the regular battleships regardless of your skill, you'll need to train anything from a secondary racial shipline to two new racial shiplines and new racial turret skills. Flying ships that cost over a billion in just the hull shouldn't be taken lightly however, but from an efficiency point of view there is no reason not to get one.
Also remember that once you've trained the generic support skills for ships and weapons, crosstraining into a different racial ship or a secondary racial turret doesn't take that long. Same for logistics, once you have the skills to fly one of them, the other is a matter of training up a new racial cruiser skill to V. Being able to fly several ships and roles, like both that of a damage dealer and a logistics, gives you a tremendous amount of flexibility. It also makes you quite desirable among the incursion communities, both within EVE University and beyond, as having pilots capable of switching roles or ships based on what the fleet needs is incredibly useful.
Strategic Cruisers | Pirate Faction Battleships [1] | Additional turrets | Additional ships |
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~ 43 days and 20 hours | ~ 24 days and 15 hours | ~ 5 days and 5 hours | ~ 9 days and 17 hours |
Mechanics V |
<primary> Frigate III |
Small <racial> Turret III |
<racial> Frigate III |
- ^ Assuming the worst possible starter skills, two racial shiplines and new gunnery skills. Most likely you'll end up only needing to train a new racial ship line for your secondary battleship skill.
- ^ Gunnery V for the Legion, Loki and Proteus, but only Gunnery III for the Tengu. This skill is covered by the minimum skills already.
- ^ Missile Launcher Operation V for the Tengu and Missile Launcher Operation III for the Loki. Neither the Legion or the Proteus needs this skill trained unless they decide to fit missiles.
- ^ For the Loki it is very important to get Minmatar Electronic Systems V, since it increases the projection of your webrange with the Immobility Drivers subsystem. Slightly less important for the Legion, but it does increase your scan resolution.
- ^ For the Legion it is very important to get Amarr Offensive Systems V, since it increases damage projection as well as reduces cap usage of your turrets. For the Loki it is a straight up damage projection increase which translates into an increase of applied damage.
Honing your skills
Remember that the minimum skills are just the beginning and there is much room for improvement. Increase these skills, train up for tech two weaponry and max out the gunnery and support skills, and your ship will be much more efficient. You'll also have many more options to improve your fit with better fitting and support skills, like upgrading a module, drop an excessive tank module for more utility modules and so forth.
What you're going to train next differs a little bit based on what ship and what weapons you're going to use. For some fitting skills will be prioritized due to the lack of CPU or powergrid of their hull, for others capacitor skills are more important while others can simply go straight for better ship skills and tech two weaponry.
Support skills | Gunnery skills | Ship skills | Drone skills | |
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Cybernetics V [1] |
Weapon Upgrades V |
Battleship V |
Drone Interfacing V |
- ^ Cybernetics V is required for the top-tier advanced implants, like the +6% CONCORD-implants.
- ^ Jury Rigging IV is only needed if it is a requirement for your more generic rigs, like energy grid rigs.
- ^ Capacitor Emission Systems is only required for ships that use energy transfer modules, like the Guardian and the Basilisk. It's also useful for ships in need of cap chains to remain cap stable, like the Nightmare.
- ^ Sensor Linking is only required if you can fit the Tracking Link module and only needed at higher skill-levels if you try to fit several faction links at once.
- ^ Only if you actually use the passive EM Ward Amplifier module.
- ^ Biology increases the duration of drugs by 20% per skillevel. Should only be considered if you fly with communities that contest all the time and use drugs to get the upper hand.
- ^ Controlled Bursts is useful for all hybrids and lasers, but useless for projectiles aas they do not use cap to fire.
- ^ a b Only if you're aiming for flying Strategic Cruisers and Command Ships with medium weapon systems.
- ^ While it isn't a requirement for anything, it does add longevity to your overheat abilities.
- ^ Drone Durability is one of those skills that you might consider twice before training. It's nice to have some studier drones, but ideally they shouldn't be taking damage anyway.
- ^ Drone Avionics increases your drone control range by an additional 5 km / skillevel on top of the base 25 km control range.
- ^ Electronic Warfare is required for Advanced Drone Avionics.
- ^ Advanced Drone Avionics increases your drone control range by an additional 3 km / skillevel allowing you to reach up to 60 km drone control range.
- ^ Repair Drone Operation V is needed for tech two shield maintenance bots.
- ^ Medium Drone Operation V is required for Infiltrator II drones.
- ^ If your ship can field sentries, train Sentry Drones V so you can field tech two sentries. Not useful for common fleets, but very useful for specialized fleets.
- ^ a b If your ship can field Ogres, train Gallente Drone Specialization IV and Heavy Drone Operation V. While not used in vanguards and assaults, they can be very useful in some headquarter sites and the mothership site.
Crosstraining into armour
While we primarily run shield fleets, most of the skills you use will be reusable for armour fleets as well. It wouldn't take too long to touch up on your armour skills to be able to run armour fleets. For unistas it also gives them great skills to use within the Wormhole Campus, as they run primarily armour fleets.
Damage dealers | Logistics |
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~ 18 days and 10 hours | ~ 46 days and 7 hours |
Hull Upgrades V |
Hull Upgrades V |
Useful training for alts
It is no secret that having alts or several accounts are extremely useful in EVE. Incursions are no different and we can make good use of alts for a wide variety of things, especially unistas during war.
Hacker / Scout
Scouting can be done in pretty much any ship, even shuttles. When it comes to hacking there are a few skills that help.
Support skills | Navigation skills | Ship skills | Hacking |
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~ 3 hours and 40 minutes | ~ 4 hours and 29 minutes | ~ 15 minutes | ~ 8 hours and 6 minutes |
Hull Upgrades I |
Caldari Frigate I [3] |
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~ 16 hours and 28 minutes worth of training in total |
- ^ Afterburner III is a requirement for the High Speed Maneuvering skill.
- ^ High Speed Maneuvering I is what's strictly needed, but consider spending another 18 hours getting High Speed Maneuvering III trained for better capacitor handling.
- ^ Getting Caldari Frigate higher isn't really needed because the hull bonus no longer influences hacking in Incursions (since it uses the old method and the hull bonus no longer affects it).
- ^ Electronics Upgrades III is a requirement for the Hacking skill.
- ^ Hacking I is what's strictly needed, but consider spending another 11 hours getting Hacking III trained for a considerable increase in efficiency.
Minimum Heron fit
When it comes to suitable ships for hacking it pretty much boils down to speed and midslots. We recommend the Heron (Caldari Frigate) because it's cheap, fast and has five midslots.
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The information presented here represents how we do things in the EVE University Incursion Community. It does not represent the best or only way to run Incursions. We make some compromises when it comes to efficiency for the sake of additional safety to create an environment where anyone can step up and learn a new role. |
Vanguard fittings
The fits used by the EVE University Incursion Community focus around our need to be able to clear warp disrupt capable ships first, which are often small and hard to hit frigates. This sets us apart from most communities, in that we often favor short-range and high tracking with multiple webs and painters, as opposed to the more common long-range setups with dedicated webbers that other communities use.
It is recommended that you visit this page after reading Preparing for Incursions and Incursion fitting principles. These articles will guide you to a fuller understanding of how the modules in the fits below work, and together, meet the task of engaging small ships effectively. These articles also detail the theory and reasoning behind the fittings below, and additional information such as what skills are needed, what implants are recommended and the like, is also placed there.
Finally, the three guidelines below are vital to the success of the fleet. Please bear them in mind when fitting your first ship.
Armor focus
In the EVE University Incursion Community we run armor fleets to provide easier progression to higher level sites and other communities as the majority of public incursion communities now favor armor tanking. |
Don't compromise these fits
We've already tried to downscale and reduce the skill requirements as much as we can for these fits, but at the end of the day, the content you're about to join in on is high-end PvE content. Your individual performance is very important as we have a limited amount of people in the fleet, so every skill and module matters. |
Improving fits
These fits are tailored in order to get a solidly tanked ship with a good level of performance, for you to begin running incursions. However, there is room for individual taste and preference. See the ship progression page as well as the upgrade priorities section of the fitting principles page for more guidance on progression in terms of ship upgrades and fits as well as skills. |
All fits use Miranda's template which is easily used with the in-game Fitting tool. If you click the EFT button you will open up a text box with the complete list of modules, charges and drones for the fit. This can then be copied to import directly into your favorite third-party fitting program. Be sure to read the SKILLS and NOTES section as well, they contain valuable information about the fit and if there are any common tweaks you could do.
Damage Dealer Ships
These fits are minimum fits, able to contribute to fleet efficiency. Some of the rigging choices may seem weird for these fits, but they are all chosen to allow for extreme flexibility in refitting between Vanguards, Assaults as well as Headquarter sites. As such, some fits you see here may seem slightly compromised, but that is a choice we made to allow people to use the same ship for all the different sites. If you have a substantially similar incursions rig that is already attached to your ship, please do not feel obliged to switch those incursion rigs out in order to run with us.
Starter Battleships
Praxis
The Praxis has some upsides over the other T1 battleships listed, namely having seven mid and low slots, an ample drone bay with room for both lights and sentries, and a drone damage bonus. This also means that it can support energy turrets while also having spare mid slots for application. However, it has less resists versus kinetic/explosive damage, and low buffer.
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Stasis Webifier
Parallel Enduring Target Painter
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Federation Navy Garde x4
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Imperial Navy Multifrequency L x24
Imperial Navy Radio L x18
Imperial Navy Xray L x24
Scan Resolution Script x2
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
- All the required skills for damage dealers
- Sentry Drone Interfacing (optional, for sentry drones)
- Since laser weapons can change crystals relatively fast, it's highly recommended to carry at least two different sets of crystals, preferably three for various ranges.
- Once you can use tech two lasers, upgrade to Mega Pulse Laser II and use your Imperial Navy Multifrequency L along with Conflagration L and Scorch L.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Drone Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
- Federation Navy Gardes are not usable by Alpha clones. Imperial Navy Acolytes can be used instead.
- Gardes have higher damage output than light drones, but with very poor tracking. Depending on the fleet composition, the FC may ask for either light drones or sentries.
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Phased Scoped Target Painter
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Tracking Computer II
Shadow Serpentis Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Federation Navy Garde x4
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L x10000
Scan Resolution Script x2
Optimal Range Script x3
Tracking Speed Script x3
- All the required skills for damage dealers
- Sentry Drone Interfacing (optional, for sentry drones)
- Either of the Federation Navy or Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L ammo work for incursions, as the only difference is the name. Pick whichever is cheapest.
- Once you can use tech two hybrids, upgrade to Neutron Blaster Cannon II guns and carry Null L for long range but keep faction ammo for short range.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Drone Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
- Federation Navy Gardes are not usable by Alpha clones. Imperial Navy Acolytes can be used instead.
- Gardes have higher damage output than light drones, but with very poor tracking. Depending on the fleet composition, the FC may ask for either light drones or sentries.
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Centum C-Type Kinetic Energized Membrane
Corelum C-Type Explosive Energized Membrane
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Large Thermal Armor Reinforcer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Imperial Navy Microwave L x8
Imperial Navy Multifrequency L x16
Imperial Navy Xray L x8
Nanite Repair Paste x200
Scan Resolution Script x1
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
- All the required skills for damage dealers
- Amarr Battleship III
- Since laser weapons can change crystals relatively fast, it's highly recommended to carry at least two different sets of crystals, preferably three for various ranges.
- Once you can use tech two lasers, upgrade to Mega Pulse Laser II and use your Imperial Navy Multifrequency L along with Conflagration L and Scorch L.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Drone Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
Megathron
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Centum C-Type Explosive Energized Membrane
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Large Kinetic Armor Reinforcer I
Large Thermal Armor Reinforcer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L x20000
Federation Navy Iron Charge L x10000
Nanite Repair Paste x200
Scan Resolution Script x1
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
- All the required skills for damage dealers
- Gallente Battleship III
- Either of the Federation Navy or Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L ammo work for incursions, as the only difference is the name. Pick whichever is cheapest.
- Once you can use tech two hybrids, upgrade to Neutron Blaster Cannon II guns and carry Null L for long range but keep faction ammo for short range.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Drone Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
Intermediate Battleships
Nightmare
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
Large Radiative Scoped Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Large Explosive Armor Reinforcer I
Large Kinetic Armor Reinforcer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x5
Imperial Navy Microwave L x8
Imperial Navy Multifrequency L x20
Imperial Navy Xray L x8
Nanite Repair Paste x200
Scan Resolution Script x2
Optimal Range Script x4
Tracking Speed Script x4
Parallel Enduring Target Painter x1
- All the required skills for damage dealers
- The Caldari Battleship skill can favourably be left at Level 1, as it only gives you an afterburner bonus (which we do not use in incursions).
- Since laser weapons can change crystals relatively fast, it's highly recommended to carry at least two different sets of crystals, preferably three for various ranges.
- Once you can use tech two lasers, upgrade to either Mega Pulse Laser II and use your Imperial Navy Multifrequency L along with Conflagration L and Scorch L, or Tachyon Beam Laser II with Imperial Navy Multifrequency L, Gleam L and whichever crystal gets you decent range at 60-70km, usually Imperial Navy Gamma L or Imperial Navy Xray L.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Armor Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
Vindicator
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster
Damage Control II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Centum C-Type Explosive Energized Membrane
Large Kinetic Armor Reinforcer I
Large Thermal Armor Reinforcer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Medium Hull Maintenance Bot I x5
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L x10000
Nanite Repair Paste x200
Scan Resolution Script x1
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier x1
- All the required skills for damage dealers
(including the secondary battleship skill) - The Minmatar Battleship is by far the most important skill to improve, as it improves the effectiveness of your webs.
- Both Federation Navy and Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L ammo work for incursions, as the only difference is the name. Pick whichever is cheapest.
- Once you can use tech two hybrids, upgrade to Neutron Blaster Cannon II guns and carry Null L for long range but keep faction ammo for short range.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Shield Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
Advanced Battleships
Some things to keep in mind:
- Due to the Bastion module preventing remote assistance while active, Bastion Marauders require a local tank to safely use.
- If you are new to Incursions, we recommend against starting in a Marauder, as it imposes higher pilot skill requirements compared to other ships. Consider a Vindicator or Nightmare instead, or take advantage of our T1 Battleship loaner program. These fits are made with the expectation that the pilot is experienced in running Incursion sites.
- Set Auto-Repeat off on the Bastion Module and Armor Repairer. The Large reppers are very cap hungry, and can easily cap out the ship if left unattended. Also, disabling auto-repeat on Bastion allows the logi to rep a Marauder in case of a disconnect.
- Marauder fits do not include Stasis Webifiers, as it is assumed that there will be other ships with webs to do the job better. An all Marauder comp will not do in a Uni fleet, and it is expected that the FC will keep tabs on the web capability of their fleet.
Nightmare
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Auto Targeting System I
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Large Explosive Armor Reinforcer I
Large Kinetic Armor Reinforcer I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Imperial Navy Multifrequency L x20
Scorch L x40
Conflagration L x40
Tracking Speed Script x3
Optimal Range Script x3
Scan Resolution Script x3
Republic Fleet Target Painter x1
- All the required skills for damage dealers
- The Caldari Battleship skill can favourably be left at Level 1, as it only gives you an afterburner bonus (which we do not use in incursions).
- Since laser weapons can change crystals relatively fast, it's highly recommended to carry at least two different sets of crystals, preferably three for various ranges.
- Once you can use tech two lasers, upgrade to either Mega Pulse Laser II and use your Imperial Navy Multifrequency L along with Conflagration L and Scorch L, or Tachyon Beam Laser II with Imperial Navy Multifrequency L, Gleam L and whichever crystal gets you decent range at 60-70km, usually Imperial Navy Gamma L or Imperial Navy Xray L.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Armor Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
Vindicator
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates
Large Explosive Armor Reinforcer II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Imperial Navy Acolyte x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Null L x10000
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L x10000
Tracking Speed Script x1
Scan Resolution Script x1
Optimal Range Script x1
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer x1
- All the required skills for damage dealers
(including the secondary battleship skill) - The Minmatar Battleship is by far the most important skill to improve, as it improves the effectiveness of your webs.
- Both Federation Navy and Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L ammo work for incursions, as the only difference is the name. Pick whichever is cheapest.
- Once you can use tech two hybrids, upgrade to Neutron Blaster Cannon II guns and carry Null L for long range but keep faction ammo for short range.
- Omega clones can train Repair Drone Operation III and use Heavy Shield Maintenance Bots instead of mediums.
Paladin
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Bastion Module I
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Auto Targeting System I
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Corpii A-Type Multispectrum Coating
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x5
Acolyte II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Imperial Navy Multifrequency L x20
Scorch L x40
Conflagration L x40
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
Scan Resolution Script x2
Nanite Repair Paste x400
- All the required skills for damage dealers
(including the secondary battleship skill) - Requires all Armor Compensation skills trained to at least level 4
- Cybernetics V
- Marauders IV
- Large Pulse Laser Specialization IV
- Cybernetics V,
- Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Warp Drive Speed WS-618 required with Marauder fits to keep up with Fleet
- Conflagration < 40km, Multifrequency if you need tracking, Scorch otherwise.
- Turn auto-repeat on your Armor repairer and Bastion Module off, the former so as to conserve cap, the latter such that logi are able to save you in case of disconnect.
- Lacking the tracking bonus of the Nightmare, pilots may want to take Standard Drop Booster (or any other grade, really) to compensate for the poor tracking of this ship's guns.
Kronos
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Auto Targeting System I
Bastion Module I
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Coreli A-Type Multispectrum Coating
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Federation Navy Garde x2
Acolyte II x5
Null L x20000
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L x10000
Void L x20000
Optimal Range Script x3
Tracking Speed Script x3
Scan Resolution Script x2
Nanite Repair Paste x400
- All the required skills for damage dealers
(including the secondary battleship skill) - Requires all Armor Compensation skills trained to at least level 4
- Cybernetics V Marauders IV
- Large Blaster Specialization IV
- Cybernetics V,
- Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Warp Drive Speed WS-618 required with Marauder fits to keep up with Fleet
- Void/AM < 20km, Null otherwise.
- Turn auto-repeat on your Armor Repairer and Bastion Module off, the former so as to conserve cap, the latter such that logi are able to save you in case of disconnect.
Elite Battleships
Some things to keep in mind:
- Due to the Bastion module preventing remote assistance while active, Bastion Marauders require a local tank to safely use.
- If you are new to Incursions, we recommend against starting in a Marauder, as it imposes higher pilot skill requirements compared to other ships. Consider a Vindicator or Nightmare instead, or take advantage of our T1 Battleship loaner program. These fits are made with the expectation that the pilot is experienced in running Incursion sites.
- Set Auto-Repeat off on the Bastion Module and Armor Repairer. The Large reppers are very cap hungry, and can easily cap out the ship if left unattended. Also, disabling auto-repeat on Bastion allows the logi to rep a Marauder in case of a disconnect.
- None of these fits include Stasis Webifiers, as it is assumed that there will be other ships with webs to do the job better. An all Marauder comp will not do in a Uni fleet, and it is expected that the FC will keep tabs on the web capability of their fleet.
Paladin
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Bastion Module I
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Auto Targeting System I
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Acolyte II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x5
Conflagration L x40
Scorch L x40
Imperial Navy Multifrequency L x40
Scan Resolution Script x2
Optimal Range Script x2
Tracking Speed Script x2
- All the required skills for damage dealers
(including the secondary battleship skill) - Requires all Armor Compensation skills trained to at least level 4
- Cybernetics V
- Marauders IV
- Large Pulse Laser Specialization IV
- Cybernetics V,
- Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Warp Drive Speed WS-618 required with Marauder fits to keep up with Fleet
- Conflagration < 40km, Multifrequency if you need tracking, Scorch otherwise.
- Turn auto-repeat on your Armor repairer and Bastion Module off, the former so as to conserve cap, the latter such that logi are able to save you in case of disconnect.
- Lacking the tracking bonus of the Nightmare, pilots may want to take Standard Drop Booster (or any other grade, really) to compensate for the poor tracking of this ship's guns.
Kronos
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Auto Targeting System I
Bastion Module I
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Computer
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Corpum A-Type Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Acolyte II x5
Federation Navy Garde x2
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Null L x20000
Void L x20000
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L x10000
Scan Resolution Script x2
Optimal Range Script x3
Tracking Speed Script x3
- All the required skills for damage dealers
(including the secondary battleship skill) - Requires all Armor Compensation skills trained to at least level 4
- Cybernetics V
- Marauders IV
- Large Blaster Specialization IV
- Cybernetics V,
- Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Warp Drive Speed WS-618 required with Marauder fits to keep up with Fleet
- Void/AM < 20km, Null otherwise.
- Turn auto-repeat on your Armor Repairer and Bastion Module off, the former so as to conserve cap, the latter such that logi are able to save you in case of disconnect.
Logistics
Basic Logistics
Oneiros
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large I-ax Enduring Remote Armor Repairer
Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery
Cap Recharger II
Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
800mm Steel Plates II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Multispectrum Energized Membrane II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Acolyte II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Nanite Repair Paste x200
Optimal Range Script x4
Tracking Speed Script x4
- All the required skills for logistics
- Power Grid Management V
- Capacitor Systems Operation V
- All 4 Armor Compensation IV
- Logistics Cruisers IV
- Remote Armor Repair Systems V
- Repair Drone Operation V (see notes)
- Armor Maintenance Bot II drones are nice but not critical, so feel free to use this fit with tech one armor bots while you're training.
- You could use capacitor implants to help you get cap stable without having all the required skills. Using implants in this manner is ok, as long as you don't compromise the fit in some other way.
- If the fleet lacks a dropper alt, and has a second logistics cruiser, one logistics cruiser can drop a Remote Tracking Computer for a 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner.
Advanced Logistics
Oneiros
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
Shadow Serpentis Remote Tracking Computer
Federation Navy 800mm Steel Plates
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
Acolyte II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Nanite Repair Paste x200
Optimal Range Script x4
Tracking Speed Script x4
- All the required skills for logistics
- Power Grid Management V
- Capacitor Systems Operation V
- All 4 Armor Compensation IV
- Logistics Cruisers V
- Remote Armor Repair Systems V
- Repair Drone Operation V (see notes)
- Armor Maintenance Bot II drones are nice but not critical, so feel free to use this fit with tech one armor bots while you're training.
- You could use capacitor implants to help you get cap stable without having all the required skills. Using implants in this manner is ok, as long as you don't compromise the fit in some other way.
- If the fleet lacks a dropper alt, and has a second logistics cruiser, one logistics cruiser can drop a Remote Tracking Computer for a 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner.
Logibooster
Logibooster
Astarte
Armor Command Burst II
Armor Command Burst II
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repairer
Skirmish Command Burst II
Skirmish Command Burst II
Sentient Remote Sensor Booster
Sentient Remote Sensor Booster
Sentient Remote Sensor Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Multispectrum Energized Membrane
Centum C-Type Explosive Energized Membrane
Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay
Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay
Imperial Navy Capacitor Power Relay
Medium Command Processor I
Medium Command Processor I
Acolyte II x5
Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Armor Energizing Charge x600
Rapid Repair Charge x600
Evasive Maneuvers Charge x600
Interdiction Maneuvers Charge x600
Nanite Repair Paste x200
Scan Resolution Script x4
800mm Steel Plates II x1
Signal Amplifier II x1
- Cybernetics V (see note)
- Gallente Battlecruiser V (prerequisite)
o Gallente Cruiser III (prerequisite)
o Gallente Destroyer III (prerequisite)
o Gallente Frigate III (prerequisite) - Command Ships IV
o Leadership V (prerequisite) - Armored Command Specialist V
o Armored Command V (prerequisite) - Skirmish Command Specialist V
o Skirmish Command V (prerequisite)
- Cybernetics V, Skirmish Command Specialist V and Armored Command Specialist V is required for the following mindlink:
Federation Navy Command Mindlink
- Make sure you have the following charges:
Rapid Repair Charge x 600
Armor Energizing Charge x 600
Evasive Maneuvers Charge x 600
Interdiction Maneuvers Charge x 600
Scout/Dropper
Basic
Venture
Small Remote Shield Booster I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Small Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
Small Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I
- Cloaking I (Optional)
- Mining Frigate I
- Shield Emission Systems I
- The Venture can hold 16 stacks of Lyavite containing 255 units in each stack.
- The Small Remote Shield Extender is so that the scout can contribute repairs and sponge a payout if there are less than ten ongrid ships.
- Adding a Prototype Cloaking Device enables the Venture to safely enter the Nation Mining Colony before the final wave. It is not necessary to perform dropper duties, and requires Omega clone status in order to use.
Advanced
Prospect
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Small Remote Shield Booster I
5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Medium Shield Extender II
Small Shield Extender II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Limited Hyperspatial Accelerator
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
- The Prospect can hold 40 stacks of Lyavite containing 255 units in each stack.
- The Small Remote Shield Extender is so that the scout can contribute repairs and sponge a payout if there are less than ten ongrid ships.
- Adding a Covert Ops Cloaking Device enables the Prospect to safely enter the Nation Mining Colony before the final wave.
Orca
The Orca is a wonderful ship that's more like a mobile base than just a ship. It has a ship maintenance bay to store ship, enough cargo hold to carry lots of ammo as well as spare modules, an ore hold for lyavite. Its refitting services and fleet hangar is also very useful for changing things up while in space, or to have a nearby stock of lyavite handy in a non-station system.
Even if you fly this ship on an alt that you cannot have logged on at the same time as your main character, the Orca is a tremendously useful ship.
Training into the Orca
Support skills | Ship skills | Leadership skills | Navigation skills |
---|---|---|---|
~ 6 days and 7 hours | ~ 5 days and 15 hours | ~ 10 days and 16 hours | ~ 1 days and 19 hours |
Cybernetics I |
Spaceship Command V |
Leadership I |
Afterburner III |
~ 24 days and 9 hours worth of training in total |
Minimum Orca fit
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
- With everything turned off, you still have 92 - 96k ehp.
- With just the Damage Control II turned on, you have 195 - 200k ehp.
- With the shield hardeners turned on, your ehp goes up to 209 - 230k.
- The rig selection is mostly there to compensate for low skills early on. Once your skills are higher, you really only need that one ancillary current router to fit the microwarpdrive, the other two rigs can eventually be replaced for something else (additional tank, cargo, warp speed or whatever you want).
Ore Hold
The ore hold is perfect for lyavite and can hold up to 163 full stacks which is 41,575 units of ore. (the hold itself can take 50,000 m3 worth of any ore and is unaffected by skill) |
Fleet Hangar
The fleet hangar is another 40,000 m3 that can hold just about anything (including rigged frigates). This hold can be used for spare modules and ore to be available to fleet members, or just secondary storage. |
Ship Maintenance Bay
Nothing in the maintenance bay will drop if your ship is destroyed, they will simply be destroyed along with your ship. This makes it very useful for denying suicide gankers their profit by putting the costly modules on ships inside the maintenance bay. Keep in mind that you would still lose those ships and modules, but they wouldn't be a contributing factor when suicide gankers calculate the profit of ganking you. Ships in the maintenance bay cannot have anything in their cargohold except ammunition, so modules must be fitted to the ships (but need not be online).
The ship maintenance bay is 400,000 m3 worth of assembled ships which is enough to hold ships as large as a battlecruiser-hull, or a selection of cruiser-hull or smaller. You could fill out the maintenance bay with some extra ships for exploration, low level missioning (or even high level missioning with a Tengu), mining ships (for lyavite or just in general). For those with the skills to fly several ships, it is also ideal for moving multiple logistics or strategic cruisers as well as a command ship.
Below is a list of ships and how much room they take up:
Logistics and strategic cruisers | Command ships | Other ships | ||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
89,000 m3 | 107,000 m3 | 118,000 m3 | 80,000 m3 | 92,000 m3 | 115,000 m3 | 216,000 m3 | 252,000 m3 | 234,000 m3 | 18,900 m3 | 100,000 m3 |
Making the most of it
If you can afford to spend a little more time on it, there are various things you could do to make life a little easier for your Orca-pilot.
Should you have a lot of time and an interest in mining as well, the Orca is the premier booster for mining operations, shadowed only by the Rorqual. But that would be a considerable time investment.
Support skills | Navigation skills | Mining Foreman links |
---|---|---|
~ 4 days and 24 hours | ~ 7 days and 12 hours | ~ 58 days and 22 hours |
Mechanics IV |
Warp Drive Operation IV |
Cybernetics V [2] |
- ^ The Industrial Command Ships skill will improve your normal cargo hold capacity.
- ^ Cybernetics V is needed for the Mining Foreman Mindlink.
- ^ Mining Director V is needed for the tech two Mining Foreman Links, as well as improves the efficiency of the links by 100% per level.
- ^ The Warfare Link Specialist skill isn't required to use the tech two Mining Foreman Links, but it improves the efficiency of the links by 10% per level.
- ^ The Industrial Command Ships skill isn't required to use the tech two Mining Foreman Links, but it improves the efficiency of the links by 3% per level.
Valet alt
Having an alt capable of flying your ships around is invaluable when your main character is at war or otherwise indisposed. If the purpose is just to fly the ship, they wouldn't need any gunnery skills whatsoever.
Below are various levels of training needed for different type of tanking capabilities. As a minimum, the Hull tanking and Ship skills is enough to fit a Damage Control II and Reinforced Bulkhead II modules for a solid 150k+ ehp buffer on a regular tech one battleship. If you train the Additional race as well, the alt could move a pirate faction battleship.
Hull tanking | Ship skills | Additional race | Shield tanking [1] | Better shield tanking [2] |
---|---|---|---|---|
~ 1 day and 23 hours | ~ 3 days and 5 hours | ~ 2 days and 11 hours | ~ 15 minutes | ~ 5 day and 11 hours |
Mechanics III |
Spaceship Command IV |
<racial> Frigate III |
Shield Upgrades I |
Shield Upgrades IV |
- ^ This short train allows you to use Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction and amplifiers like the Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I module.
- ^ Increasing the train to a handful of days means you can upgrade the shield tank and use the Large Shield Extender II, EM Ward Amplifier II as well as the Adaptive Invulnerability Field II modules (or any of the active hardeners or passive amplifiers).
Neural remaps
Normally one should be careful about remaps and not spend them needlessly. However, if you are making an alt knowing that it will only train for a month or two and not train anything else after that point, consider using all the remaps.
For example, if you're using a PLEX (Pilot License Extension) to activate Dual Character Training for a month or two, then using all three neural remaps makes sense. It might allow you to squeeze in some more skills or shorten the training time to be within one or two months instead of slightly more.
Common guides
There are several common guides on the wiki already. Our needs in the incursion community are a little different, but it might be useful for general purposes or to get some inspiration of what else to train on your alt.