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Logistics, in EVE, refers to ships and modules that provide remote support to other ships. In real life, the term "logistics" is typically used to describe the coordination of military troops and supplies, and EVE University has a Logistics Division that serves this role. But in the EVE client, Logistics decribes remote assistance, and particularly:
- Remote Shield Boosting
- Remote Armor Repair
- Remote Hull Repair
- Remote Capacitor Transfer
- Remote Tracking Support
- Remote Sensor Boosting
One other type of off-grid remote boost module, the Warfare Link, is not typically considered logistics and will not be described here. This Guide summarizes the common mechanics of logistics modules; explains the differences between remote shield, armor, and hull repair in detail; and compares ships that are bonused for logistics. CCP made significant changes to logistics modules and ships in the Frostline patch in December 2015, and those changes have been incorporated here.
Visual effects for the different types of logistics modules are shown on the Identifying Visual Effects page.
Logistics Modules and Mechanics
Remote Repair: Comparing Shield, Armor, and Hull Repair
Most commonly, fleet logistics is about remote repair. "Local" repair—in which a ship repairs itself—is not considered "logistics" in EVE. Instead, logistics ships specialize in repairing other ships. In this way, logistics ships in EVE are similar to the "healer" character classes you find in many other online multiplayer games; logistics pilots usually assist their fleetmates by restoring their hitpoints (HP), during battle. Remote repair can be used to restore HP to a ship's shield, armor, or hull, via three types of high-slot, remote repair modules: Remote Shield Boosters, Remote Armor Repairers, and Remote Hull Repairers. (Technically speaking, shields are "boosted" rather than "repaired", but for the purpose of this Guide, shield boosters have been classified as repair modules.) These three types of remote repair modules have some important differences, and the differences became more pronounced with the December 2015 Frostline update. The chart below illustrates these differences for medium-sized, Tech I modules of each type:
| Item | CPU (tf) |
Powergrid (MW) |
Cycle Time (sec) |
Repair Amount (HP) |
Repair Rate (HP/sec) |
Activation Cost (GJ) |
Cap Demand (GJ/sec) |
Optimal Range |
Falloff | Rep Applied At | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| File:RemoteShieldBoostIcon.png | Medium Remote Shield Booster I | 50 | 52 | 8 | 260 | 32.5 | 232 | 29.0 | 5.00 km | 7.50 km | beginning of cycle |
| Fitted to a Scythe* (Tech I shield logistics cruiser) |
390 | 48.8 | 158 | 19.7 | 26.5 km | 39.8 km | |||||
| File:RemoteArmorRepIcon.png | Medium Remote Armor Repairer I | 20 | 120 | 6 | 196 | 32.7 | 155 | 25.8 | 8.75 km | 2.50 km | end of cycle |
| Fitted to an Exequror* (Tech I armor logistics cruiser) |
294 | 49.0 | 105 | 17.6 | 46.4 km | 13.3 km | |||||
| File:RemoteHullRepIcon.png | Medium Remote Hull Repairer I | 68 | 115 | 6 | 96 | 16.0 | 244 | 40.7 | 8.75 km | 5.00 km | end of cycle |
∗ Flown by a low-skill Unista (Racial Cruiser IV, Shield Emission Systems III, Remote Armor Repair Systems III). Your results may vary.
As the table above shows, fitting remote repair modules to bonused logistics ships makes them work much better, and pilot skills affect these numbers as well. In addition, there are meta versions of these modules with improved range ("Scoped"), CPU and powergrid requirements ("Compact"), or capacitor usage ("Enduring"). So, the specific values in this table are not so important. Nevertheless, the chart does illustrate some of the most important differences between remote shield, armor, and hull repair modules:
- The icons for remote repair modules look like those of local repair modules, and armor and hull repairers look alike. Make sure you select the module you want! All remote assistance modules are distinguished from local modules by a double arrow on the icon. The icons for remote armor and hull repairers show welding helmets with different colors: gold for armor, and silver for hull. If you find the symbols confusing, the names are much clearer, so you can mouse over the module icon to make sure you have the right kind.
- Remote hull repairers are inferior to remote armor repairers and shield boosters, so remote hull repairers are never used in combat. Remote hull repairers require a great deal of CPU, powergrid and capacitor, and repair less HP than other repair modules. Unlike the other two remote repair types, there are no ships in EVE that are bonused for hull repair. As a result, remote hull repairers are not generally used in fleets, even for compositions focused on hull tanking. Remote hull repair is a convenient alternative to paying for hull repairs in station, however, and so these modules are used outside of combat.
- Overall, remote shield boosters and armor repairers restore HP at the same rate. Neither of these repair modes is inherently better than the other. They do have differences, however, that make each one preferable under certain circumstances.
- Remote armor repairers require less capacitor than remote shield boosters. Not only do armor repairers require less capacitor per cycle, they are also more cap efficient (requiring less cap per time) relative to shield boosters. This means that armor-repairing ships have more cap room for other active modules, and are less sensitive to enemy neutralizers and Nosferatus, than shield-boosting ships. Armor logistics ships have an easier time running all of their repair modules continuously, whereas shield logistics ships often have to cycle their boosting modules on and off to conserve capacitor. Because of their cap efficiency, armor logistics ships are more powerful for longer engagements (in which fleetmates don't die quickly), and in any PvE activity where cap stability may be an issue.
- Remote armor repairers have longer optimal range than remote shield boosters. Armor logistics ships can stay farther away from the action, and still deliver 100% of their repping power, compared to shield logistics ships. As the chart shows, ship-bonused armor repairers have fairly long optimal range, and an Exequror—a Tech I armor logistics cruiser—can apply full armor repairs from 50 km away. The optimal range of a Scythe, the matching Tech I shield logistics cruiser, is less than two-thirds as long. As a result, it is easier to keep armor-repairing ships out of harm's way than it is shield-repairing ships.
- Because shield boosters deliver HP at the beginning of the module cycle, no cycles are wasted. Armor repairers, by contrast, deliver repairs at the end of the module cycle. One downside of flying armor logistics is that, sometimes, your armor-tanked fleetmates will die faster than the cycle time of your remote armor repair modules. When this happens, each module's repair cycle is lost; the target of the remote armor repairer no longer exists, and so when the module completes its cycle, nothing gets repaired. This never happens with remote shield boosters, because a shield booster delivers HP at the beginning its module cycle. This may sound like an unusual situation—how is it possible that a ship is destroyed in just 6 seconds? In fact, this happens frequently in large fleet fights, where tens of opponent damage dealers are focusing fire on a single ship. But wasted cycles also affect longer fights, where each wasted cycle diminishes the overall, average efficiency of repairs. Not only does shield repair involve no wasted cycles, but because shield disappears before armor, shield logistics pilots have a little more time to rescue their fleetmates than armor logistics pilots do. As a result, shield logistics is better than armor in very large fleet engagements, or in any situation where you expect your fleetmates to die quickly.
- Remote shield boosters deliver more HP/cycle, so they have more repair "alpha". Combat ships are sometimes judged by how much damage they can deliver in their first ("alpha") volley. Logistics ships can be compared by a very similar measure, by how much damage they can repair in their initial repair cycle. By this measure, remote shield boosters are better than remote armor repairers—they repair more damage, right away.
Prior to the December 2015 Frostline patch, the statistics for shield and armor repair modules were much more similar, and flying shield and armor logistics was mechanically almost identical. Now, even though logistics pilots are still expected to fly whatever logistics type matches their fleet's doctrine, they have to pilot shield and armor ships slightly differently, according to their strengths and limitations.
Remote Repair: Comparing Module Size
As you would expect, small, medium and large remote repair modules differ in the amount of HP they repair per cycle, and in their repair range. But these characteristics are also affected a great deal by the ships they are fit to. The chart below compares remote repair modules that have been fitted to logistics ships of matching size:
| Item | Repair Rate (HP/sec) |
Optimal Range |
Falloff |
|---|---|---|---|
| Small Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer fit to an Inquisitor* (Tech I logistics frigate) |
28 | 11.6 km | 19.3 km |
| Medium Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer fit to an Exequror* (Tech I logistics cruiser) |
61 | 51.0 km | 14.6 km |
| Large Solace Scoped Remote Armor Repairer fit to a Nestor* (Faction logistics battleship) |
112 | 26.4 km | 7.7 km |
∗ Skills: All V's.
Though this chart is focused on just armor logistics, and shows just a few of the ships that are bonused for remote repair, it illustrates something that is true across all sub-capital logistics ships and modules: Logistics cruisers, and matching medium-sized logistics modules, represent a sort of sub-capital "sweet spot" in terms of repair amount and range. Medium modules fit to logistics cruisers repair much more effectively than frigates, and have a significant range bonus relative to battleships. (This is due to ship bonuses, not to module differences; unbonused large repairers have longer range than medium repairers.) As will be discussed below in the section on Logistics Ships, Unistas are often advised to skill into Tech I logistics cruisers if they are interested in fulfilling the logistics fleet role.
Remote Repair vs. Local Repair
One, very intuitive reason for including logistics ships in fleets is so that damage dealers can focus on their own role; by having logistics ships manage repair, the other, combat-oriented ships in the fleet can fit more modules, rigs, and implants dedicated to damage-dealing. But another, less intuitive justification is that logistics ships are often better at repairing other ships than those ships are at repairing themselves. The table below illustrates this by comparing local and remote armor repairers fit to cruiser hulls:
| Item | Repair Rate (HP/sec) |
Repair Efficiency (HP/cap unit) |
|---|---|---|
| Medium Remote Armor Repairer II fit to an Exequror* |
69 | 4.3 |
| Medium Armor Repairer II fit to an unbonused hull |
41 | 2.3 |
∗ Skills: All V's.
Logistics ships often repair their fleetmates more effectively, and with less capacitor, than their targets can repair themselves. This comparison can become a bit more complicated with shield boosting, particularly for combat ships that can fit oversized local shield boosters. Nevertheless, remote shield boosters fit to logistics ships—like the remote armor repairers shown above—are more effective than local shield boosters of the same size.
Ancillary Remote Repair Modules
In the Citadel expansion (April 2016), CCP introduced two new classes of remote repair modules: Ancillary Remote Shield Boosters and Ancillary Remote Armor Repairers. These modules are similar in function to local ancillary repair modules (introduced in the Retribution expansion of 2013) that consume charges in exchange for local repairs; the remote versions apply repairs to a fleetmate instead of locally. The attributes of ancillary remote repair modules are different from those of local repair modules, however, and are discussed further below. In general, both ancillary remote armor repairers and ancillary remote shield boosters are used to provide a quick burst of remote repair over a few module cycles, which consume all of the module's loaded charges. Once this happens, ancillary remote repair modules must undergo an extremely slow reload before they can be used in charge-boosted mode again. As a result, ancillary remote repair modules do not improve on the overall repair rate of standard remote repair modules—the combination of boosted repair and the long reload time results in an averaged HP/time that is similar to ordinary remote repair modules—but they can be used to front-load these repairs.
Ancillary Remote Shield Boosters
| Item | Shield Boost (HP) |
Activation Cost, without charges (GJ) |
Activation Cost, with charges* (GJ) |
# Cycles Before Reload |
Reload Time (sec) |
Boost Rate (HP/sec, including reload time) |
CPU (tf) |
Powergrid (MW) |
Cycle Time (sec) |
Optimal Range |
Falloff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Medium Ancillary Remote Shield Booster I | 475 | 700 | 0 | 9 | 60 | 32.4 | 50 | 52 | 8 | 5.00 km | 7.50 km |
| Medium Remote Shield Booster I | 260 | 232 | 32.5 | 50 | 52 | 8 | 5.00 km | 7.50 km |
∗Navy Cap Booster 50. The Cap Booster 25 size may not be used with ancillary shield booster modules. Larger boosters can fit, but they offer no repair gain over Navy Cap Booster 50's, so the smallest possible booster is always used.
As the comparison chart above shows, ancillary remote shield boosters (ARSBs) have two advantages over standard, Tech I shield boosters: they deliver almost double the shield boost of a standard shield booster for 9 module cycles, and they require no capacitor when operated with cap booster charges. ARSBs also receive all of the ship bonuses that standard remote shield boosters do (and so, while the exact numbers in this table will change according to the ship they are fitted to, the comparison will not). These are pretty significant advantages. Shield logistics ships are often capacitor-limited, and so delivering repairs without the need for capacitor not only helps them contribute longer, but also makes them more resistant against enemy capacitor warfare. And an initial, powerful shield boost might be just what your fleet needs at the beginning of a fight, when incoming alpha damage is at its greatest.
Nevertheless, ARSBs have some clear drawbacks. When the ARSB module runs out of cap booster charges, the logistics pilot has two choices: either wait for a 60-second reload, or use the module without charges, which costs three times as much capacitor as the standard module. (Most shield logistics ships don't have enough capacitor for the second option.) As is true for local ancillary repair modules, only one ARSB can be fit to a ship, so logistics pilots with an ASRB fitted will also have to use standard shield boosters. And finally, while ARSBs compare well against standard Tech I modules, they don't look quite as strong compared to meta, Tech II, faction or deadspace shield boosters; they have shorter range, and sometimes worse fitting, than many of these other options. In particular, Tech II logistics ships are probably better fit with standard shield boosters, because Tech II ships are less capacitor-limited. On the other hand, groups of Tech I Scythe pilots could benefit significantly by fitting ARSBs, so that they can boost each other through the initial wave of damage that is frequently aimed at logistics. Although ARSBs are very new and rare—they can only be manufactured from blueprint copies found via exploration or ratting—they may still find a niche in low-skill logistics.
Ancillary Remote Armor Repairers
| Item | Repair Amount, with charges* (HP) |
Repair Amount, without charges (HP) |
Activation Cost | # Cycles Before Reload |
Reload Time (sec) |
Repair Rate (HP/sec, including reload time) |
CPU (tf) |
Powergrid (MW) |
Cycle Time (sec) |
Optimal Range |
Falloff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Medium Ancillary Remote Armor Repairer I | 435 | 145 | 155 | 8 | 60 | 32.2 | 20 | 120 | 6 | 8.75 km | 2.50 km |
| Medium Remote Armor Repairer I | 196 | 155 | 32.7 | 20 | 120 | 6 | 8.75 km | 2.50 km |
∗Nanite Repair Paste.
Ancillary Remote Armor Repairers (ARARs) are similar to ARSBs in that they deliver more HP repair—more than double that of a standard, Tech I remote repair module—at the expense of charges. ARARs consume nanite repair paste instead of cap boosters, and they can only be loaded with eight cycles worth of charges instead of nine. More significantly, ARARs consume capacitor whether they are loaded with paste or not, but they only repair 1/3 as much HP when they are operated without paste. Just like ARSBs, ARARs have a 60-second reload time that limits the average repair efficiency of the modules. You can only fit a maximum of one, and ARARs compare poorly against meta, Tech II, faction and deadspace repairers in fitting and overall efficiency. But, as with ARSBs, they can be used for a short burst of repairs at the beginning of an engagement.
Logistics Drones
Logistics drones (Maintenance Bots) are an important component of logistics piloting. All logistics ships of all sizes and races have dronebays that can fit maintenance bots. In addition, nearly all Tech I and Tech II logistics cruisers (except the Osprey and Augoror) receive a 100% bonus to maintenance bot repair amount. To put the importance of this bonus into perspective, about 25% of the repping power of a standard, Unista Fleet-Up Fit Scythe comes from its drones.
A detailed description of maintenance bots is available in the UniWiki's Guide to Drones. Our advice on logistics drones: use them, and use Tech II's if you have the skills for them.
Logistics Rigs
There are two sets of rigs dedicated to assisting logistics ships:
Remote Repair Augmentors: Reduce the capacitor demand of remote armor repairers (by 20% for Tech I rigs, 25% for Tech II). These do not affect shield boosters.
Drone Repair Augmentors: Increase drone repair amount (10% for Tech I, 15% for Tech II).
Given the cap demand of remote repair modules, and the value of logistics drones, it might seem as though logistics pilots should always fit one or more of these rigs. But Capacitor Control Circult, Trimark Armor Pump, or Ancillary Current Router rigs may be preferable, depending on the fit.
Remote Capacitor Transfer
Remote Capacitor Transmitters consume capacitor on the fitted ship, and transfer that capacitor to a targeted fleetmate. On unbonused ships, remote capacitor transmitters can be used to counter the effects of capacitor warfare, but local options (such as cap battery or booster modules) are often more effective at this job. However, as explained further below in the Logistics Ships section, Caldari and Amarr logistics cruisers have significant bonuses to remote capacitor transmitters that create an unusual situation: when these ships activate a remote capacitor transmitter, they transfer more capacitor than they consume. In effect, Caldari and Amarr logistics cruisers can use remote capacitor transmitters to create capacitor units, out of thin air.
| Medium 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter:* (meta 4) |
Activation Cost (GJ) |
Capacitor Transferred (GJ) |
Optimal Range |
|---|---|---|---|
| unbonused | 85 | 108 | 6.0 km |
| fit to an Osprey (Tech I logistics cruiser) | 85 | 324 | 66.0 km |
∗ Skills: All V's, including Capacitor Emission Systems V.
As shown in the chart, an unbonused transmitter transfers about the same amount of capacitor as it consumes. (A bit more at high skills, a bit less at low skills.) When fit to a Caldari or Amarr logistics cruiser, on the other hand, these modules can generate hundreds of capacitor units for other ships in the fleet, at significant ranges. Most commonly, this extra capacitor is transferred to other logistics ships in a capacitor chain (or "cap chain"). In cap-chain logistics, a squad of logistics ships simultaneously give and receive capacitor to each other as a means of increasing their available capacitor. Cap-chain logistics is described further in the Tactics section of this Guide.
Remote Tracking Computers and Sensor Boosters
The Oneiros and the Scimitar—both solo (non-cap-chain) Tech II logistics cruisers—are bonused for remote tracking computers. These are primarily used to support battleship fleets, and to help their battleship fleetmates hit cruiser-sized targets. Although remote tracking support is probably not the first thing that EVE players think of when they consider logistics ships, remote tracking computers are often fit to these two specific logistics hulls.
No logistics hulls receive bonuses to remote sensor boosters (RSBs), but they are a form of on-grid remote assistance, and RSBs are sometimes fit to logistics ships as a counter to enemy electronic warfare (EWAR). In particular, cap-chained logistics ships can combine RSBs to help counter focused EWAR that is aimed at breaking the cap chain; in this scenario, multiple RSBs can be used to shore up the sensor strength of the targeted chain member.
Logistics Ships
Racial Specializations
| Race | Armor or Shield? | Cap-Chain or Solo? |
|---|---|---|
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Armor | Cap-Chain |
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Shield | Cap-Chain |
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Armor | Solo |
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Shield | Solo |
Each of the four player races specializes in the type of logistics that their ships are naturally tanked for. Caldari and Minmatar ships are ordinarily shield-tanked, and so these two races specialize in shield logistics; and Amarr and Gallente ships are typically armor-tanked, so these two races specialize in armor logistics. In addition, each race either specializes in cap-chain logistics, or not, as shown by the chart at right. It is important to note that capacitor chaining only works for cruisers and force auxiliaries; all frigate logistics ships, of all races, are "solo" logistics ships.
This Guide focuses on logistics ships of most interest to young Unista pilots—on logistics frigates and cruisers. The Guide also discusses, more briefly, battleship and capital logistics. More information on these topics is available on the individual ship articles for ships in this class.
Tech I Logistics Frigates
Each of the four empire factions has a Tech I frigate dedicated to logistics, and these frigates are good starting ships for Unistas looking to begin training into the logistics role. The bonuses for the two Tech I shield logistics frigates—the Bantam and the Burst—are identical, as are the bonuses for the two Tech I armor logistics frigates, the Inquisitor and the Navitas. The most common fits for the four ships are also very similar. In general, the Burst and Inquisitor are slightly favored over the other two because of advantages in speed (in the case of the Burst) and tank (Inquisitor).
Logistics frigates have the least repping power and shortest optimal range out of all the logistics ships, but they do have the advantage of being very inexpensive and difficult to hit (like any other Tech I frigate). The charts below illustrate statistics for Tech I shield and armor logistics frigates (using fits that can be shown by mousing over the corresponding table headers) piloted by a typical, low-skill Unista*:
| File:Bantam 128.png | File:Burst 128.png | Caldari/Minmatar Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 10% bonus to Remote Shield Booster amount Role bonuses: (applies regardless of skill level) 300% bonus to Remote Shield Booster falloff |
| Bantam | Burst |
|---|
| Burst (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | |||
| Shield Boost Rate | Optimal Range | Falloff | eHP |
|---|---|---|---|
| 73 HP/sec | 4 km | 29 km | 4000 |
∗ Calculated using UniWiki minimum recommended skillplan, plus Shield Emissions Systems III.
| File:Inquisitor 128.png | File:Navitas 128.png | Amarr/Gallente Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 10% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer amount Role bonuses: 50% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer optimal range |
| Inquisitor | Navitas |
|---|
| Inquisitor (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | |||
| Armor Repair Rate | Optimal Range | Falloff | eHP |
|---|---|---|---|
| 73 HP/sec | 12 km | 19 km | 6800 |
∗ Calculated using UniWiki minimum recommended skillplan, plus Remote Armor Repair Systems III.
As these tables show, a Tech I logistics frigate can repair the damage caused by one or two opponents at most, at short range. (These tables shows HP repaired, rather than eHP repaired. HP can be converted to eHP by dividing by the resist remainder; so, if your Burst was boosting the shields of a fleetmate Svipul that had 75% resists across the board, you would be providing [73 / 0.25] = 292 eHP/sec. That means that the repair rate numbers shown above are deceptively low, but they still aren't great.) Shield logistics frigates have very short optimal ranges, so they can almost never apply their full repair capacity. Pilots with poor capacitor skills, or low skills in the appropriate racial frigate skill or in Shield Emissions Systems or Remote Armor Repair Systems, will have trouble with capacitor even if they use all "Enduring" meta versions of all active modules. For a freshman Unista, as a result, Tech I logistics frigates demand higher skills than analogous Tech I EWAR or tackle frigates.
Still, there are a few roles that Tech I logistics frigates fill uniquely well. Logistics frigates are better than logistics cruisers in gangs of frigate and destroyer damage dealers, because they have the speed to keep up, particularly when fitted with microwarpdrives. And the Inquisitor (along with the Tech II Deacon, described in the next section) is the preferred logistics hull for small-ship wormhole PvE. In general, however, logistics pilots fly cruisers much more often than frigates.
Tech II Logistics Frigates
In the Frostline patch of Dec 2015, CCP introduced a new ship class: the Tech II logistics frigate. Tech II logistics frigates were designed to improve on their Tech I counterparts in a number of ways. They have considerably more CPU and powergrid, and one more fitting slot, relative to the Tech I frigates above. Tech II logistics frigates also have some unique bonuses relative to Tech I frigates. Flying a Tech II logistics frigate requires a dedicated skill, Logistics Frigates. Because this skill contributes significantly to bonuses in this ship class, pilots are encouraged to train it to IV or V before flying a Tech II logistics frigate. The charts below show data on Tech II shield and armor logistics frigates (and, specifically, the Kirin and Deacon, fit in distinctly different ways) piloted by a high-skill logistics pilot*:
| File:Kirin 128.png | File:Scalpel 128.png | Caldari/Minmatar Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 10% bonus to Remote Shield Booster amount Logistics Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction in Remote Shield Booster duration and activation cost Role bonuses: 300% bonus to Remote Shield Booster falloff |
| Kirin | Scalpel | |
|---|---|---|
| Kirin (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | |||
| Shield Boost Rate | Optimal Range | Falloff | eHP |
|---|---|---|---|
| 123 HP/sec | 5 km | 31 km | 9700 |
∗ Calculated usng UniWiki advanced recommended skillplan +1 at each skill, plus Logistics Frigates IV, Shield Emission Systems V.
| File:Deacon 128.png | File:Thalia 128.png | Amarr/Gallente Frigate bonuses (per skill level): 10% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer amount Logistics Frigates bonuses (per skill level): 5% reduction in Remote Armor Repairer duration and activation cost Role bonuses: 50% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer optimal range |
| Deacon | Thalia | |
|---|---|---|
| Deacon (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | |||
| Armor Repair Rate | Optimal Range | Falloff | eHP |
|---|---|---|---|
| 136 HP/sec | 14 km | 24 km | 17600 |
∗ Calculated usng UniWiki advanced recommended skillplan +1 at each skill, plus Logistics Frigates IV, Remote Armor Repair Systems V.
The repair bonuses, repair range and base velocity of Tech II logistics frigates aren't dramatically better than those of their Tech I relatives. When CCP introduced Tech II logistics frigates, developers argued that the signature radius bonus of the Scalpel and Thalia might be useful for "signature tanking", by which ships can evade damage. Signature tanking works poorly against opponents with light drones, though, and so this strategy has not been widely successful.
Increased CPU and powergrid do mean that Tech II logistics frigates can fit better repair modules than Tech I ships. Tech II modules increase the repair rate of Tech II logistics frigates, and deadspace repair modules increase it further still, as shown in the charts above. Nevertheless, even fit with rare modules, a Tech II logistics frigate repairs no faster than a Tech I logistics cruiser, with shorter range and higher cost. These frigates—and particularly the Deacon, the most popular of the four—are still used in small-ship gangs and in wormhole PvE. But Tech I logistics cruisers are used far more often for logistics than Tech I or Tech II frigates.
Tech I Logistics Cruisers
Tech I logistics cruisers are powerful platforms for remote repair. They receive better range bonuses than any other logistics ship (including Tech II cruisers), and considerable bonuses to repair amount. They are also inexpensive, and relatively easy to skill into. Unistas interested in flying logistics ships are advised to focus their initial training on this ship class. As shown in a chart at the beginning of this Ships section, logistics cruisers can either be "solo" or cap-chain ships; this Guide will deal with these subtypes separately.
"Solo" Logistics Cruisers
The Scythe and the Exequror are the two Tech I logistics cruisers that are not bonused for remote capacitor transfer. New logistics pilots often begin flying one of these first, because they are simpler to pilot than the cap-chain cruisers. But the performance of all of the logistics cruisers is sensitive to pilot skill, and pilots with different skill levels sometimes have to fly even these simpler hulls differently. The charts below illustrate statistics for the Scythe and Exequror piloted by Unistas with different skill levels:
| File:Scythe 128.png | Minmatar Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 12.5% bonus to Remote Shield Booster amount Role bonuses: 430% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range and falloff |
| Scythe |
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| Scythe (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | ||||||
| Pilot Skill Level | Shield Boost Rate (3 Boosters, plus Drones) |
Optimal Range |
Falloff | Capacitor Duration, 3 Boosters Active (other mods off) |
Capacitor Duration, 2 Boosters Active (other mods on) |
eHP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Low* | 155 HP/sec | 27 km | 40 km | 1m 14sec | 2m 54sec | 30,500 |
| Intermediate** | 219 HP/sec | 27 km | 40 km | 2m 47sec | stable (48%) | 31,900 |
| High*** | 235 HP/sec | 27 km | 40 km | stable (50%) | stable (62%) | 32,900 |
∗ Low Skill: UniWiki minimum recommended skillplan, plus Minmatar Cruiser III, Shield Emissions Systems III. Logistics drones cannot be used at this skill level, and an all-Tech-I fit is still 12 MW short on powergrid.
∗∗ Intermediate Skill: UniWiki advanced recommended skillplan, plus Minmatar Cruiser IV, Shield Emissions Systems IV.
∗∗∗ High Skill: UniWiki advanced recommended skillplan +1 at each skill, plus Minmatar Cruiser V, Shield Emissions Systems V.
| File:Exequror 128.png | Gallente Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 12.5% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer amount Role bonuses: 430% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer optimal range and falloff |
| Exequror |
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| Exequror (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | |||||
| Pilot Skill Level | Shield Boost Rate (3 Boosters, plus Drones) |
Optimal Range |
Falloff | Capacitor Duration, all modules active | eHP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Low* | 154 HP/sec | 51 km | 15 km | 6m 56sec | 24,400 |
| Intermediate** | 223 HP/sec | 51 km | 15 km | stable (60%) | 25,700 |
| High*** | 240 HP/sec | 51 km | 15 km | stable (79%) | 26,200 |
∗ Low Skill: UniWiki minimum recommended skillplan, plus Gallente Cruiser III, Remote Armor Repair Systems III. Logistics drones cannot be used at this skill level.
∗∗ Intermediate Skill: UniWiki advanced recommended skillplan, plus Gallente Cruiser IV, Remote Armor Repair Systems IV.
∗∗∗ High Skill: UniWiki advanced recommended skillplan +1 at each skill, plus Gallente Cruiser V, Remote Armor Repair Systems V.
The Scythe and Exequror are very similar, with roughly the same ship bonuses and repair capacity. As is true for all logistics ships, the shield-boosting Scythe has a shorter optimal range and a longer falloff, whereas the armor-repairing Exequror has a much longer optimal range, but shorter falloff. The role bonuses that logistics cruisers receive to repairer range makes both of these cruisers excellent at repairing from a distance, and the bonuses do not depend on pilot skill level. Repair rate, on the other hand, is very sensitive to pilot skill. Unista logistics pilots are encouraged to target the "Intermediate" skill level above before flying Tech I logistics cruisers.
Tech I logistics cruisers offer more flexibility in fitting than logistics frigates. As a result, pilots with different skill levels may find that they need to fit their ships differently. (You should expect to modify any campus re-ship logistics cruiser you purchase on corp contracts; the pre-made fit you buy may not be appropriate for your skill level.) The fits and data in the charts above illustrate some of the relationships between tank, capacitor, repair capability and pilot skill for solo logistics ships. The Scythe fit sacrifices some capacitor for tank, by filling its mid slots with shield modules. This results in a ship that has greater eHP, but is chronically short on capacitor, especially for low-skill pilots. A low-skill Unista flying this Scythe might need to constantly cycle modules on and off, choosing what to activate and what not to activate at any given moment, depending on circumstances. In this way, a Tech I logistics cruiser can be more challenging to fly than a damage-dealing ship.
The Exequror fit appears to address this problem, by using both a capacitor booster and a capacitor battery in its mid slots. (Capacitor boosters provide more cap, in general, but capacitor batteries offer inherent resistance to enemy neutralizers and Nosferatus.) Sure enough, the Exequror fit shown above is cap stable even with all modules active, and would probably be easier to fly than the Scythe. But this Exequror has a different problem: it has significantly less tank than the Scythe fit. This is particularly bad for logistics ships, because they are typically the initial primary target of enemy fleets. This comparison illustrates the uncomfortable choice that low-skill logistics pilots often have to make between capacitor and tank, and that choice affects how easy it is to fly the ship. Higher-skill logistics pilots, on the other hand, often get the best of both worlds. They have the luxury of fitting plenty of tank, and still having enough capacitor to activate all modules simultaneously.
Unista logistics pilots are encouraged to use out-of-game fitting programs, like EFT or Pyfa, to explore the logistics fits that work best for them.
Cap-Chain Logistics Cruisers
The Osprey and the Augoror are the two Tech I logistics cruisers that are bonused for remote capacitor transfer. As described above in the Modules section, these bonuses allow the Osprey and Augoror to activate their remote capacitor transfer modules, transfer more capacitor than they spend, and thus effectively create capacitor from nothing. In order a logistics pilot to benefit from this, the pilot must simultaneously give capacitor to and receive capacitor from one or more logistics partners. In principle, the minimum number of partnered logistics pilots is two, but cap-chain logistics is less vulnerable to enemy interference when larger groups of pilots are matched up. So, Osprey and Augoror pilots are typically organized into a capacitor chain (illustrated at right), in which each pilot gives and receives capacitor with two neighboring partners in the chain. More information on how to organize cap chains is given in the Tactics section of this Guide.
Cap chaining solves the capacitor challenges discussed above for solo logistics cruisers. The charts below show bonuses for both the Osprey and Augoror, and then illustrates the advantage of cap-chained cruisers by comparing an intermediate-skill* fit for the Augoror with the solo Exequror:
| File:Osprey 128.png | Caldari Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 12.5% bonus to Remote Shield Booster amount Role bonuses: 1,000% bonus to Remote Capacitor Transmitter range |
| Osprey |
|---|
| File:Augoror 128.png | Amarr Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 12.5% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer amount Role bonuses: 1,000% bonus to Remote Capacitor Transmitter range |
| Augoror |
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| Ship | Capacitor Consumption | Capacitor Peak Recharge | Capacitor Duration (all modules active) | Remote Capacitor Transfer Range |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Augoror (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | -97.8 GJ/sec | +148.4 GJ/sec** | stable (100%) | 66 km |
| Exequror (mouseover for sample fit)Template:GuideFittings | -55.7 GJ/sec | +60.5 GJ/sec | stable (55%) |
∗ Calculated using UniWiki advanced recommended skillplan, plus Gallente/Amarr Cruiser IV, Shield Emissions Systems IV.
∗∗ Assuming Augoror is part of a cap chain, partnered with two other Augorors.
The Augoror fit used to generate the chart above has mostly active modules that consume capacitor, including active armor resist modules. So the Augoror consumes a lot of capacitor. Nevertheless, when cap-chained, the Augoror has more than enough capacitor to run all these active modules simultaneously. The Augoror can even periodically break the chain in order to transfer capacitor to damage-dealing fleetmates that need the help. Pilots of all skill levels receive this benefit, because the role bonuses to remote capacitor transfer do not depend on skill level. The Osprey has the same advantages as the Augoror; it can fit more active resist modules and still retain a considerable capacitor advantage over the Scythe.
But in order for cap-chain logistics cruisers to be cap-stable, they must be partnered, and this represents a vulnerability for these ships. Enemy fleets can break the cap chain, either by isolating chain members using electronic warfare, or by splitting them up using command destroyers and micro jump field generators. Cap-chain logistics ships are often specially fit to counter some of these strategies. For example, the Augoror above has sensor boosters to counter EWAR, but one of these can be replaced with a warp scrambler to counter micro jump fields. In any case, cap-chain logistics pilots are dependent on their fleetmates, and keeping cap chains intact under enemy fire can make them challenging to fly.
Unistas interested in flying cap-chain logistics ships are advised to attend Logistics 102 before flying an Osprey or Augoror in an E-UNI fleet. This class covers how to fly these cruisers in fleets, and how to respond to changes in circumstances.
Tech II Logistics Cruisers
Tech II logistics cruisers are the most powerful sub-capital repair ships in EVE. Tech II logistics cruisers have increased tank, CPU and powergrid, and better bonuses compared to Tech I logistics cruisers. Flying these ships requires training in a dedicated skill, Logistics Cruisers. Unistas are encouraged to train this skill to IV before attempting to fly Tech II logistics cruisers. When flown by pilots with sufficient skills, Tech II logistics cruisers have considerably more repair capacity than their Tech I relatives. They also have even more fitting flexibility than Tech I cruisers, and are typically fit specifically to their role. Unique among logistics ships, Tech II cruisers can fit over-sized, large remote repair and remote capacitor transfer modules instead of medium ones, if the fit makes compromises in other areas. As a result of this diversity, specific comparisons of Tech II logistics cruiser fits are beyond the scope of this Guide.
Tech II logistics cruisers follow the same racial specializations as their Tech I relatives. The Scimitar and Oneiros, the Minmatar and Gallente Tech II cruisers, are "solo" logistics ships, and the Basilisk and Guardian, the Caldari and Amarr Tech II cruisers, are cap-chain specialists. This is illustrated below in the ship bonuses for these hulls.
Solo Tech II Logistics Cruisers
| File:Scimitar 128.png | Minmatar Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 60% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range and falloff Logistics Cruisers bonuses (per skill level): 15% reduction in Remote Shield Booster activation cost Role bonus: 50% reduction in Remote Shield Booster CPU requirement |
| Scimitar | |
|---|---|
| File:Oneiros 128.png | Gallente Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 60% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer optimal range and falloff Logistics Cruisers bonuses (per skill level): 15% reduction in Remote Armor Repairer activation cost Role bonus: 65% reduction in Remote Armor Repairer powergrid requirement |
| Oneiros | |
|---|---|
The solo Tech II logistics cruisers are like the solo Tech I cruisers, in that they are intended to operate independently, and often have to make tradeoffs between capacitor and tank in their fits. The Scimitar and Oneiros are strongest in smaller gangs of Tech II and Tech III damage dealers, where there is only room for one or two logistics pilots.
Cap-Chain Tech II Logistics Cruisers
| File:Basilisk 128.png | Caldari Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 60% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range and falloff Logistics Cruisers bonuses (per skill level): 15% reduction in Remote Shield Booster activation cost Role bonus: 50% reduction in Remote Shield Booster CPU requirement |
| Basilisk | |
|---|---|
| File:Guardian 128.png | Amarr Cruiser bonuses (per skill level): 60% bonus to Remote Armor Repairer optimal range and falloff Logistics Cruisers bonuses (per skill level): 15% reduction in Remote Armor Repairer activation cost Role bonus: 65% reduction in Remote Armor Repairer powergrid requirement |
| Guardian | |
|---|---|
The cap-chain Tech II logistics cruisers are like their cap-chain Tech I relatives, in that they must work in groups, and they have enough capacitor to sustain a fit full of high-capacitor-demand modules. These cruisers have the broadest array of options in terms of modules they can fit. Tech II logistics pilots can fit faction, deadspace, or large-sized repair modules to the Basilisk and Guardian comfortably. These ships are strongest in large Tech II/III fleets, in high-skill PvE, and in medium-sized wormhole gangs where the group is expected to be able to handle incoming DPS.
Bonused and Unbonused Battleship Logistics
In contrast to the variety of bonused logistics hulls available in frigate and cruiser sizes, there is only one battleship bonused for logistics: the Sisters of EVE faction Nestor. The bonuses of this battleship are not that great, however, and the hull costs almost a billion ISK. The Nestor is used very rarely in EVE.
Remote repair modules are sometimes fitted to unbonused battleship hulls as part of "spider-tanking" fleet doctrines. The Gallente Dominix, in particular, has plenty of high-slot room for remote repairers, because its bonuses to drones don't match up well with high-slot weapons modules.
Capital Logistics: Force Auxiliaries
Introduced in the Citadel expansion of Apr 2016, Force Auxiliaries are a new, third class of capital ship dedicated to logistics. CCP created force auxiliaries by dividing the two roles previously fulfilled by Carriers—logistics and fighter support—into two separate capital ship classes. Force auxiliaries are now the only capital ship class to receive bonuses to remote repair. They are also the only capitals able to use triage modules, which enhance the defensive and remote repair capabilities of the ship for five minutes, but also make the ship incapable of receiving remote assistance. Force auxiliaries and triage modules are discussed in more detail in Logistics 103, and in the UniWiki ship class page on Capital Ships.
Skills
What skills are required for the Combat Logistics Pilot?
Core Skills
These skills are the minimum to be able to pilot and perform Remote Support Systems (RSS) operations with a Tech 1 logistics ship.
- Racial Cruiser - Minimum true Logistics ship, and one of the following skills:
- Shield Emission Systems - permits use of Shield Transporters.
- Remote Armor Repair Systems - permits use of Remote Armor Repair Systems.
- Capacitor Emission Systems - permits use of Energy Transfer Arrays.
- Sensor Linking - permits use of Remote Sensor Boosters and Tracking Links.
Secondary Skills
While your fitting will depend on what your player skills will allow, the ideal combat logistics pilot should try to balance RSS capability and capacitor stability.
- CPU Management - An increase to a ship's CPU by 5% per skill level.
- Energy Grid Upgrades – A skill with a 5% reduction in CPU needs per skill level.
- Capacitor Management - A 5% per skill level increase to your ship’s overall energy capacity helps you to remain capacitor stable.
- Capacitor Systems Operation - A 5% reduction in cap recharge rate per skill level.
- Power Grid Management - An increase to a ship’s Power Grid by 5% per skill level.
- Leadership - provides non-direct RSS bonuses.
- Long Range Targeting - A requirement to fly Tech 2 logistics ships; and a good idea to target as far out as you can for situation assessment.
- Repair Systems - Decreases repairer cycle time.
- Signature Analysis - A 5% per skill level improved targeting speed is beneficial, this skill is also necessary to fly Tech 2 Logistics ships.
- Target Management and Advanced Target Management - +1 Target per skill level. Being able to keep lock on multiple ships for quicker RSS is essential.
Advanced Skills
These skills are specific to improving the effectiveness of RSS, ship survivability, and use of Maintenance Drones.
- Armor Compensation skills - A 5% per skill level to armor resistance type.
- Drone Durability - Required for Repair Drone Operation. Increases survivability of drones by a small amount.
- Electronic Warfare - Required to use Projected ECCM modules.
- Hull Upgrades - A 5% increase in structure HP per skill level.
- Repair Drone Operation - Required to use Maintenance Bots of all kinds. 5% increased repair amount per level.
- Remote Hull Repair Systems - permits use of Remote Hull Repair Systems.
- Jury Rigging - Ability to install permanent ship modifications (rigs). There are sub-skills for various types of rigs.
- Shield Management - A 5% bonus to shield capacity per skill level.
- Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration - Required for capital support ship.
- Target Painting - Required to use a Target Painter Module.
- Logistics Cruisers - Required for the Tech 2 logistics cruisers.
- [[Skills:Warfare Link Specialist]] - Required to install and use Gang Link modules.
Implants
Implants for the pilot are lost if the implant is removed or the pilot is podded. These implants can offer substantial support for RSS when using advanced modules and at higher skill levels. Prices range from affordable for low-end ones, to hundreds of millions of ISK for higher-end ones.
| Slot | Implant | Bonus Reduced Capacitor Needs | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 7 | Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Noble' ZET20 series (RA-70x) | 1% to 6% remote armor repair system modules. | |||
| 8 | Hardwiring - Zainou ‘Gnome’ KXA500 series (SE-80x) | 1% to 6% shield emission system modules. | |||
| 9 | Hardwiring – Zainou ‘Gypsy’ KRB-25 series (SL-90x) | 1% to 6% sensor linking modules. | |||
Organization and Tactics
Organization
In a fleet, logistics ships can be grouped into logistics wings and squadrons, or can be assigned to different squadrons as the fleet commander wishes. Be sure to provide the proper support to the proper ships. Remote armor support ships should be assigned to support an armor tanked squadron and or ship. At the highest levels, there could be entire fleets structured to deliver logistics support. This type of structure is beyond this guide. Logistics pilots should have their own fleet convo channel set up to ensure maximum RSS efficiency.
Basic Tactics
The basic tactics are for Tech 1 logistics ship operating in Player verses Environment, (PvE).
- Friendly ship/squadron lands on grid and draws the NPC aggression,
- Logistics ship warps to optimal range from the friendly ships,
- Aligns to celestial and adjust targeting range,
- Faster ship is responsible for maintaining RSS range,
- Locks as many squadron targets as possible,
- Begin RSS operations,
- Provide post-battle and salvage RSS
Capacitor Stable
Be cap stable, meaning you can run all of your remote support modules indefinitely. Running out of capacitor in the middle of an engagement could spell tragedy. Timing can be everything when it comes to RSS. In Empire Space, remote supporting a ship too early might gain you unwanted aggression. However, remote supporting a ship too late may result in the loss of a ship or possibly an entire fleet. Have a clearly defined agreement between the RSS squadron and your friendly targets as to when/why you will begin to support and who will be supported. Practicing your remote support is very important in helping the combat logistics squadron to determine their full potential. Player Owned Stations (POS) can be the recipients of RSS. Typically this kind of support is generally done by Capital Ships fitted with capital sized repair modules. See the article on Carrier support for details.
Do not overcommit!
You should always have reps to go within the next two seconds for emergencies. In order to make sure this is possible, you will generally not engage all your repair modules at the same time in order to achieve maximum sustained reps.
You will split them off one at a time, so it is staggered halfway through the cycle of the first. This can help target-switching to a crucial target, such as a FC or fellow logi member that is starting to get primaried.
Of course, if your primary rep target is going down too fast such as with a fight with an alpha doctrine, you should engage all your reppers, including even the reserve one, at the same time.
Crimewatch: Aggression and Timers
What happens to me when I remote repair someone else? If you remote support someone, you will become aggressed to whomever the targeted ship is currently aggressed to.
An RSS ship does not obtain a docking timer from a station, or a jump timer at a gate like a ship who is shooting a weapon at an enemy ship. If you are outside a station and within docking range, and you begin to remote support another ship, you have the ability to dock at any time as long as you do not shoot a weapon or any kind of aggressive act like webbing, warp scrambling, nossing, or neuting. The same holds true for offensive gate camping.
You can also become aggressed to CONCORD and Sentry Guns if you remote support someone doing something illegal in either Empire space or low-sec space.
Be wary of who you remote support. A common tactic is for someone in a cheap frigate to ask for remote support. Once you begin to remote support the frigate, he will fire at the station or another ship. The frigate is promptly destroyed for committing a criminal act, and so are you for remote supporting him.
Advanced Tactics
Whereas basic tactics are Player vs. Environment, (PvE), and Tech 1 ship oriented, the advanced tactics are focused on Player vs. Player, (PvP), and Tech 2 ships. These tactics build upon the foundation of the basic tactics.
Buffer Tanking and PvP
All ships (especially DPS) in PvP fleets with logistics should make use Buffer Tanking, which gives more time before logistics repairs land on them. Remote repair is used on the opposing fleet's primary targets to prevent their death for as long as possible. The advantage of this for the FC is that DPS-focused ships do not have to fit self-repair capability and so can be fit with more emphasis on damage. Any time the fleet is together on grid, logistics should lock up important targets in preparation for incoming damage.
Non-logistics ship spider Tanking
Spider tanking is when several logistic ships will remotely repair each other. Spider tanking logistic-bonused ships using Energy Emission systems can generate capacitor out of thin air, as they make more capacitor energy than they use. Spider tanking is highly effective in larger ship engagements, due to the large buffer available on those ships. Notably triage carriers in particular get strong local and outgoing repair bonuses, allowing them to serve as repair logistics and combat vessels.
Multiple Module Types
Tech 2 logistics ship can be fitted with two differing type bonus RSS modules and have a larger drone bay. Coordination of those two RSS and use of logistics drones, especially between multiple ships is the purpose of advanced tactics.
Remote Sensor Boosters and Tracking Links
Remote Sensor Booster could be used to increase the targeting range of a friendly ship. Some ships, fitted correctly would be able to hit a target from a sizeable distance (known as sniping). But perhaps that ship would not have the modules fit to lock a target that far away. For example, a pilot has determined that his Tech 2 Cruise Missiles can hit a target at a distance of 180km. He can’t lock that far however without fitting a Targeting Range scripted Sensor Booster of his own. A Remote Sensor Boosting ship with the correct script could increase this target range even further, thereby allowing him to lock further out without having to give up a mid slot. Scan resolution scripts are important if you think a friendly target ship may want to get a target lock jump on the enemy. One example is, a Battleship has very low scan resolution. Increasing the scan resolution through remote sensor boosters will allow the Battleship to lock an enemy target faster.
Tracking Link module will increase the turret range and the turret tracking speed of the target ship. This module can be fitted with one of two similar scripts to the remote sensor booster’s script. Use of the two modules together – in certain circumstances – may be useful for a sniper BS battling fast ships at long and/or short distances. Especially when combined with the proper scripts being loaded into both the Sensor Booster and the Tracking Link modules.
Example Scenario
You are a Basilisk pilot in a fleet of thirty ships; mostly frigates and cruisers, a handful of battlecruisers and battleships (a typical e-uni fleet), and another logistics pilot. Your scout discovers a twenty ship enemy fleet, which is camped at gate in a nearby low-sec system. The Fleet Commander can choose to send the two logistics pilots in as well as a handful of the tougher ships as bait. Have the bait squadron engage the enemy, point as many as they can, wait until the enemy engage, and bring the rest of the fleet in. The logistics pilots will keep the bait squadron alive, (against the superior odds), long enough for the main fleet to arrive. Or, the FC can simply warp in at optimal with the whole fleet and begin the combat.
A typical engagement will go something like this. The Fleet Commander orders a warp to optimal ranges to engage the gatecamp.
- If the fight on the gate is at 0, warp to 50-70 km, wherever you feel comfortable. Make sure your energy transfer buddy warps at a similar range. Large transfer modules have a 70+ km range.
- Target any ships used as bait and activate reps on them. Target your logistics partner and start the cap transfer chain – Spider Tanking. Activate afterburner (if you are using one) and get angular velocity to the enemy fleet, or fight aligned to a celestial. Ideally you want your fleet between you and the enemy.
- Use the watch list, as well as people announcing in the fleet window that they need shields to judging who needs remote reps. If you have multiple logistics you may wish to look after a squad each, or simply lock when people call for shields. The "fleet announce" button is great for this. Have your fleet mates hit the "need shield" button if they require reps. Tech 2 logistics can handle 10 targets, so pre-locking is a vital tactic if you know who is likely to be primaries.
- Watch out in particular for your fellow logistics pilot. If one gets too low, either both RSS ships should bounce out, repair to full, then warp back in; or you need to let your partner know you will need repairs as soon as you re-hit the grid.
- Keep an eye out for enemy EWAR ships in particular - remote sensor damps can increase your lock time and decrease your lock range, you will need to move closer, or even better warp in closer to your fleet if these are present. EWAR ships can break your energy transfer chain and keep your reps from being effective. Logistics ships have naturally high sensor strength and usually fit ECCM, but you aren't invincible to jams, and it only takes one or two to really mess your fleet up if they are relying on you. The FC should know to target these ships first if possible.
- Keep an eye out for energy neutralizers. The occasional nos or neut is ok, but a dedicated neut ship like a Curse or a Dominix with multiple large neuts is going to cap you out. Inform the FC you are becoming cap unstable and have them jam or direct primaries on these ships.
- Use your drones as needed. Shield maintenance bots are usually put on the other Basilisk. Warrior II's are launched to attack enemy drones or small ships, (frigates/interceptors etc), harassing you. ECM drones can be used to break an enemy tacklers lock or placed on an enemy EWAR ship or logistics.
- Keep your FC informed if something is going wrong. The FC will have a plan in mind that takes into account the power of your reps. If you are jammed, that’s vital information. If people are breaking, or the logistics ships are breaking, the FC needs to know, to plan accordingly.
- Your job isn't over once your fleet is victorious or you scatter. Stick with the regrouping fleet and continue to repair people so re-engagement is possible. You never know when reinforcements might come, you get hit again, or your FC decides to re-engage the enemy fleet.
Conclusion
Random Thoughts:
For the pilot, flying Logistics Ships is the ultimate team-player.
These ships are not for the ad-hoc fleet, it requires training and practice to be an effective logistics pilot.
Since Logistics are a force multiplier, they can enable a smaller fleet of skilled pilots to take on and prevail over a larger fleet.
There is a place for Tech 1 Logistics, they can be used at the squadron level, or be assigned to shadow and support one or two Damage Dealers and/or EWar ships.
Tech 1 Logistics is where to begin training the new logistics pilots.
Tech 1 Logistics can be used to support missions and small classed wormholes fleets.
Tech 1 Logistics can be used for remote sensor boost and tanking an interceptor on a defensive gate camp.
I have discovered no value in direct combat support roles, for mining.
Could Logistics, be the key to providing ILN ESCORT SERVICES?
- A logistics ship providing buffer tanking to the transport.
- This is a tactic/operation to be examined.
Fleet Replenishment, classed under non-combat logistics, was not examined by this author.
- Orcas flying in mining fleet is the reverse of this concept,
- This is another tactic/operation to be examined.
Truly, effective Combat Logistics begin with Tech 2 ships and there must be multiples of them to take advantage of the spider-tanking bonuses.
The Spider-Tanking bonus is the real power behind logistics.
Can two T2 Logistics ships Tank AND Cap Stabilize each other to an extent where they can become a fortress. Use shield tanking, projected ECCM, and energy transfers, and still retain enough capabilities to support a fleet, wing, or squadron?
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